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Re: Unstoppable migration?

This is what happens when you allow in too many from a very alien culture too quickly.

What Germany have done is absurd and a knee jerk reaction to their demographic problems.

We fixed them, even if people don't like how, during the 2000s and to an extent this decade.

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Well they're admitting problems again but it's tackling them that matters.

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In a statement on the eve of the summit, Mr Tusk said it was true that European had been shaken "by all kinds of crises" recently, and could not act as if nothing was wrong.
"It's my feeling that the best motto for the Bratislava meeting is that we must not let these crises go to waste," he said.
Instead, he said, the EU should make a "realistic diagnosis of the causes of Brexit".
The European Council leader called on EU leaders to assure citizens that they had "learned the lessons from Brexit", and that they were are able to "bring back stability and a sense of security".
But EU countries are deeply divided over how to bolster the economy and the Eurozone, how to safeguard European security, and how to respond to an influx of migrants.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-37380429

If only these people were paid according to performance not reagardless of it...

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Merkel's paying the price for her migrant welcome, and more worryingly, the far right party has gained popularity due largely to her mishandling of the migrant crisis. You see the great, the good and the deluded can bang on all they like about welcomes and morality ad nauseam but when the people believe they're not being listened to or, worse still, simply having their interests placed second to migrants on a large scale, increasing extremism is the result.

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Germany's CDU, the party of Chancellor Angela Merkel, has suffered historic losses in Berlin state elections.
It has been ousted from the state governing coalition with the centre-left Social Democrats.
Meanwhile the right-wing anti-migrant party Alternative for Germany (AfD) made gains and will enter the state parliament for the first time.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-37403542

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"A long-term and massive loss in trust among traditional voters threatens the conservative bloc," he told the Bild daily, adding Ms Merkel's right-left national coalition had to win back support by changing course on its immigration policy.
The election Berlin, a city-state of 3.5 million people, was dominated by local issues including poor public services, crumbling school buildings, late trains and a housing shortage, as well as problems in coping with the migrant influx.

It's quite clear that a growing number of people don't believe they've been gifted a 'net benefit' so someone needs to start listening to them pretty damned soon.

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Politicians in many other European countries are also twitching over the effect the migrant crisis will have on their share of the vote. And UKIP has shown them a way forward.

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Germany is in a weird state. I can understand people's anger. The finance minister refuses to invest in the country and refuses to spend the necessary to improve public services. He is desperately, dogmatically seeking surpluses when Germany and the rest of the Eurozone need German investment.

This doesn't work at the best of times, let alone when you've decided you want to fix your demographic problem in the course of a year.

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Originally Posted by Taf (Post 35859734)

Politicians in many other European countries are also twitching over the effect the migrant crisis will have on their share of the vote. And UKIP has shown them a way forward.

Yes they are but still the Eurocrats plough on virtually regardless.

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Meanwhile back in Brexitland:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37405598

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Theresa May has criticised the West's response to the migration crisis when she addresses world leaders later.
At a UN summit in New York, she called for a greater distinction between refugees and people trying to enter a country for economic reasons.
The PM also said refugees should claim asylum in the first safe country they reach and stressed that nations had a right to control their borders.
The UN says a record number of people have been displaced by conflict.
Follow the day's political developments live
Will UN refugee summit be enough?
It estimates that 65.3m people were either refugees, asylum seekers or internally displaced at the end of 2015, an increase of 5m in a year.
The UN summit for refugees and migrants is aiming to agree a "more humane and coordinated approach".
Mrs May warned "unprecedented levels of population movement" risk undermining public confidence in the economic case for legal migration.

Undermined it already is I'm afraid. The abuse of the system is quite staggering and getting worse as the people traffickers refine their trade in human misery.

... and Merkel admits migration 'mistakes'.

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German Chancellor Angela Merkel has accepted responsibility for her Christian Democratic party's "bitter defeat" in Berlin state elections.
She voiced regret over mistakes that contributed to last summer's migrant crisis in Germany. More than a million migrants reached Germany - a record.
"If I could, I would turn back time for many, many years, to prepare better," she told reporters.
Her CDU party can no longer run Berlin with the Social Democrats (SPD).
The centre-right CDU won 17.6% of the vote - its worst-ever result in Berlin.
Mrs Merkel conceded that her open-door policy towards migrants - embodied in her phrase "wir schaffen das" (we can manage it) - was a factor in the election. She has now distanced herself from that phrase, calling it "a sort of simplified motto".
She has been widely criticised in Germany for the policy, which was a humanitarian gesture faced with the desperate plight of migrants, many of them refugees from the war in Syria.
The right-wing, anti-migrant party Alternative for Germany (AfD) will enter the Berlin state parliament for the first time with 14% of the vote.
The AfD is now represented in 10 of Germany's 16 regional parliaments. Earlier this month it pushed the CDU into third place in the northern state of Mecklenburg-Western Pomerania.

Funny how admitting mistakes seems usually to be turned into an argument for staying in office to put things right rather than resigning.

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Her mistake is made worse by the fact that she got to see the disaster that labour's open door policy created in the UK and she still did the same for Germany. I don't ever want the UK to become a place that doesn't offer safety to those in genuine danger but we can no longer keep taking economic migrants it's not good for them or us. Too many UK citizens are binned by government onto benefits as there has been an ample supply of cheap labour to paper over the cracks in our system.

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Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 35859806)

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The problem is that because the 'great and the good' are the last to be directly affected, these situations are often allowed to get out of hand before these people accept or even realise the impact that's being felt elsewhere. For all their talk, gestures and sound-bites, how many of those personalities, politicians, religious leaders, professional commentators, activists, ever really put their money where their mouth is?

We have allowed migrants to become a resource and income stream for all sorts of dubious people whose motives range from the utterly heartless and selfish to the wholly destructive and in tackling this problem the EU has shown itself to be about as incisive and fleet-footed as Mount Everest.

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Nine people have been arrested after a large fire destroyed parts of the Moria refugee camp on the Greek island of Lesbos.
Up to 4,000 migrants were evacuated from the camp, as the blaze destroyed tents and prefabricated homes.
No fatalities were reported, but large areas of the camp, which was already crowded, were left unusable.
The Greek government said it would send a ship to hold at least 1,000 people as a temporary overflow area.
Early reports suggested a riot broke out as rumours of imminent mass deportations to Turkey spread. Other witnesses said it was the result of an argument over food.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-37413710

Who'd have thought?... :rolleyes:

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Survivors from a boat which capsized off the Egyptian coast on Wednesday have told the BBC that hundreds of people may have drowned.
The boat was carrying about 550 migrants when it capsized eight miles (12km) off the coast, they say.
Authorities have rescued 163 people and recovered 42 bodies so far off the port city of Rosetta.
Four suspected traffickers have been detained, according to the AFP news agency.
They are accused of involuntary manslaughter and human trafficking, judicial officials were reported as saying.
The incident came after the EU's border agency warned that increasing numbers of Europe-bound migrants are using Egypt as a departure point.
The UN says that more than 10,000 people have died crossing the Mediterranean towards Europe since 2014.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-37439294

Yet more hundreds to add to the thousands who die traipsing across the Sahara for example in order to find a welcome where there isn't one. We really need to get a grip and either decide we're going tp tackle these problems at source or accept a never ending and ever increasing trail of misery and death as more and more people convince themselves that the solution to their problems lies in the hands of people traffickers.

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Mass leaflet drop in applicable languages that anyone coming to the EU will be returned to country of origin might be a start, we have the capability to blanket the north african coast and much further into the interior. Attitudes are hardening across europe there are more attacks on migrants then before and we have more dying chasing a non existent utopia this problem can't be solved on european coastlines. We have to be more proactive leaflets and radio and tv adverts making the situation clear will work much better then turning boats away.

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Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 35860072)

A good start. That would be a cheap and relatively easy thing to do along with information linking these people to the harsh facts from Europe rather that the stuff they want or are led to believe. We'd also need to get that information across to those people who're not yet on the move.

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I honestly don't understand why more proactive measures haven't been tried yet it's much more cost effective to dissuade them before they get on whatever piece of floating junk they hop on.

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French President Francois Hollande has said he intends to close the "Jungle" camp in Calais and move 9,000 migrants to reception centres across France.
Setting out for the first time detailed plans to deal with the camp, Mr Hollande said migrants would be given up to four months to seek asylum.
He has faced criticism over the squalid conditions in Calais, which he acknowledged were "unacceptable".
His comments came as other EU leaders met in Vienna to discuss the crisis.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-37462767

It'll be interesting to see how this pans out. What are the French going to do with those who fail to claim asylum within 4 months I wonder? Some of them have already been there years.

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Hungary has voted emphatically against accepting EU migrant quotas, exit polls suggest, in a cry of defiance against Brussels that is likely to cement the country’s status as the leader of a “counter-revolution” against the bloc’s central powers.

As many as 95 per cent of voters voted “No” to the quotas in Sunday’s referendum, though there were fears last night the result could be declared invalid due to a low turnout.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...but-what-does/

I'd say that'd be a pretty clear message to Brussels.