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If you can't get building materials in due to a blockade, you can't build up the infrastructure and the region is condemned to poverty. Praying in aid to an earlier erroneous post does not win your point with Paul.

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"hey, you Hamas guys, now you've taken over in Gaza do you need cash and building materials? "

"Nah mate, but if you can chuck us some guns, bullets, and bombs we have a plan"

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500km of concrete lined excavated tunnels, 5,700 shafts.

Would seem to be at odds with that point of view.

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If/when that’s independently verified you make a very valid point

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No, it didnt, but of course no one actually expected you to answer it, as usual.

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I think there was a network of tunnels before Hamas 'moved in', built by the previous regime to facilitate the ease of certain resources being imported.

I also think Hamas may have extensively added to that network.

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The Gazans clearly had funds, resources, manpower, etc after Israel vacated the Strip. The proof is: they managed to construct more mileage of tunnels compared to the London underground. They also developed and built rockets that they have been constantly firing.
BUT. as I said above, they could have used their energy and funds to create a tourist oasis - it would have been much less demanding (as the Americans say) - you do the math!

Credit to them for their hardwork it's a shame (for them) that they didn't channel it to something easier and more rewarding.

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I'm sure Liam and Noel, would corroborate.

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How would the tourists manage to get into Gaza with the Israel’s blockade in place?

I think these Israeli actions may have diminished any ability to create a "tourist paradise"…

https://web.archive.org/web/20181004...ticle27196.htm

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Why would there be a blockade if it was explicitly evidenced that the Gazans were willing to live in peace in their own state, side by side, and become a tourist economy.


It’s sort of the whole point of this particular arm of the discussion.

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Whatever the motives of Israel, be they territorial or otherwise, preventing Gaza from developing a tourist economy has been the approach they've taken. A successful economy is not a good breeding ground for militants; a bad economy is.

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I think you mean Hamas. An independent Gaza, evidently peaceful towards Israel, and recognising Israel as a legitimate Jewish state from the off, could have achieved anything they wanted.

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I strongly suspect that, when Hamas took control of Gaza, Israel (and most of the western World) gave a little shudder and thought "shit, this won't end well"

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I imagine the World thought that.

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Wishful thinking as Hugh's telegram evidences. I appreciate that life is easier when we can label countries as goodies and baddies but the evidence doesn't support this.

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