Cable Forum - Britain outside the EU

So, I wonder how long the poorly thought out 'sign anything to help us leave' policy of our Government will continue to throw up (expensive) reminders that you should always read and understand what you're signing.

Car repair bills could rise under new EU rules.

Chris

23-07-2021 09:22

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Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth (Post 36087299)

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A Department for Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy spokesperson told This is Money that the proposed change regarding car parts would not automatically apply because the UK 'does not automatically follow new EU competition rules'.

However, they added: 'The Business Secretary will make a decision on whether the wider rules are beneficial to the UK or need to be changed, following a recommendation from the Competition and Markets Authority and its consultation with the public.'

This despite the opening paragraphs of the article basically stating the opposite. Indeed, one should read things carefully. ;)

GrimUpNorth

23-07-2021 09:36

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36087300)

This despite the opening paragraphs of the article basically stating the opposite. Indeed, one should read things carefully. ;)

So from the second paragraph you selected to quote it looks like the default position is the rules apply hence the lack of outright denial. The CMA and public consultation are just smoke and mirrors. I'm sure you knew that though having read it so carefully ;).

Hugh	23-07-2021 10:25

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36087276)

Nobody's accusing you of being non-patriotic. But you are accusing others -
by implying in your comparison that others, particularly me, are nationalist as distinct from patriotic.

You say (or rather imply because you don't really SAY anything) that the UK should obey the NI Protocol which the UK negotiated. You don't say that the Protocol is not working and needs changing either by treaty or by degree of implementation on the EU's part. In fact you come across as not caring about the difficulties being faced by our compatriots in NI.

---------- Post added at 19:43 ---------- Previous post was at 19:37 ----------

I provided 2 x non-nationalism and 1 x patriotism. Hardly binary.

No, I don't - you are making, in my opinion, nationalist statements (attacking other countries), but I am not stating you are not patriotic.

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In fact you come across as not caring about the difficulties being faced by our compatriots in NI

You apparently have me confused with BoJo, Lord Frost, and the rest of the Tory Party who rushed through this farrago and caused these difficulties... :erm:

Sephiroth

23-07-2021 10:40

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36087307)

No, I don't - you are making, in my opinion, nationalist statements (attacking other countries), but I am not stating you are not patriotic.

You say You apparently have me confused with BoJo, Lord Frost, and the rest of the Tory Party who rushed through this farrago and caused these difficulties... :erm:

None of your first paragraph above is correct. It's the usual smug contrariness that is your speciality.

I try to be careful to attack the governments of other countries. As regards Spain, I sense that the Spanish people as a whole back their government over Gibraltar; they want to break the Treaty by which Gibraltar became part of the UK. In other words, a member of your darling EU, and supported by your darling EU, wants to break a long standing treaty.

On your final paragraph, the bit about the treaty farrago is correct (not the confusing you with Bojo, etc - you stand in your own class). We should have made a clean break with the EU and then build back slowly and deliberately towards mutually advantageous solutions.

Chris

23-07-2021 11:26

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Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth (Post 36087301)

Nice try, but no. I’m aware that the default position is that the rules change. The point is that there is no obligation for them to change, which is very much the angle the report wants to take. Because there is no obligation, regardless of the default position, it will be entirely down to the British government if they do change; it will not be the EU’s fault and it will not be an unforeseen consequence of Brexit.

Governments do indeed often use “consultation” as a fig leaf - that is besides the point in this case.

1andrew1

25-07-2021 12:55

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Brexit means Brexit? :confused:

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UK government orders councils to display EU flag as condition of receiving Covid high street cash

The UK government is telling councils to display EU flags across towns and cities in England as a condition for receiving high street Covid recovery cash.

Guidance issued to local authorities by the communities ministry this summer says the blue and yellow symbol of European unity is “required” to be displayed around “every piece of signage, pavement sticker, or temporary public realm adaption” funded under the scheme.

The requirement, which will see thousands of new EU flags posted on official buildings and in public places across the country, exists because the European Regional Development Fund has given money to the UK to help with the Covid-19 reopening.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b1889502.html

OLD BOY

25-07-2021 13:22

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36087392)

Brexit means Brexit? :confused:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b1889502.html

Yes, it does. But you cannot change history (statue deniers take note).

If an EU grant was given and the condition is that an EU symbol or flag should acknowledge it, then we fly the flag.

It’s no different from Boris wanting UK funded schemes in Scotland acknowledged. Except, of course, that the EU was using our contribution to the EU to fund their grants to us!

Hugh	25-07-2021 13:23

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36087394)

Yes, it does. But you cannot change history (statue deniers take note).

If an EU grant was given and the condition is that an EU symbol or flag should acknowledge it, then we fly the flag.

It’s no different from Boris wanting UK funded schemes in Scotland acknowledged. Except, of course, that the EU was using our contribution to the EU to fund their grants to us!

Giving the full story isn’t "changing history" - history deniers take note_… ;)

OLD BOY

25-07-2021 13:26

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36087395)

Giving the full story isn’t "changing history" - history deniers take note_… ;)

It is history if the grant money was given previously. I assume the grants were approved while we were still in the EU.

I didn’t read the whole article because that blasted advert made a hell of a noise and I couldn’t turn it off!

Carth

25-07-2021 13:36

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from the article . .

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Despite Brexit having happened, under the withdrawal agreement the UK is still eligible for certain payments from the fund until the end of 2023 – but with strings attached

No idea how much all this 'EU flag' stuff will cost to implement, seems yet another waste of money to me . . . though I should be used to it by now :rolleyes:

OLD BOY

25-07-2021 13:40

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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36087400)

from the article . .

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Despite Brexit having happened, under the withdrawal agreement the UK is still eligible for certain payments from the fund until the end of 2023 – but with strings attached

No idea how much all this 'EU flag' stuff will cost to implement, seems yet another waste of money to me . . . though I should be used to it by now :rolleyes:

Thank you for that, Carth. As I thought, the grant is possible through our previous EU membership. That’s why I uttered the word ‘history’.

I’m sure Hugh knew that, though! :D

1andrew1

25-07-2021 22:17

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Stop the bus. Brexit benefit finally found!

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UK to scrap post-Brexit import certificates for wine

Traders had warned decision by London to maintain EU requirement after leaving bloc would cause lasting damage

...The UK and EU wine trade were dismayed when London announced it would maintain the VI-1 form after leaving the bloc and extend it to wines from EU countries such as France, Italy and Spain, albeit after a six-month grace period...

“The government spent the past seven months digging a deeper and deeper hole for itself by pretending the industry wanted VI-1s to maintain quality,” said Daniel Lambert, a wine merchant who has lobbied against the certificates.

“I really don’t know why because this is the first real identifiable Brexit dividend . . . this really is huge for the wine trade,” Lambert said, predicting that the EU would also now move to scrap the certification requirements.

https://www.ft.com/content/c63a1c21-...e-cf3ab98d6463

Hugh	26-07-2021 10:11

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36087401)

Thank you for that, Carth. As I thought, the grant is possible through our previous EU membership. That’s why I uttered the word ‘history’.

I’m sure Hugh knew that, though! :D

The ‘history’ I was referring to was your comment about statues… :erm:

1andrew1

26-07-2021 10:27

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36087453)

The ‘history’ I was referring to was your comment about statues… :erm:

I'm not sure what a statue denier is, is that a reference to BoJo ignoring legislation he's signed up to? :confused:

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