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The Ronald Reagan appointed Judge in the Manafort trial, T.S Ellis has received death threats, this is how far and unhinged some have become on the left - this case has absolutely nothing to do with Russian collusion, Manafort is being tried on some historical alleged tax fraud crimes... and he the Judge in the case is getting threats to the point he is now requiring Federal protection. This is utterly bloody sad.

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I can’t find any sources that say the threats to the judge are from the ‘left’- do you have any links, please?

All the (numerous) links I have found just say "threats", with no specific group mentioned.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/17/judg...hreatened.html

https://nypost.com/2018/08/17/manafo...-jurors-names/

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/pol...hreats-n901731

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018...over-case.html

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Exactly - after! He chose not through the trial and what did the media do? Try find out, anyway.

That is disgraceful.

It's not uncommon to request the information. It is to refuse the answer being "no".

Oh totally - but once the request has been rejected that is usually it. He was correct to refuse the request (or at least it was totally his prerogative), the press and everyone else need to respect that instead of putting more pressure on the judge / jurors etc.

If, (and only if ) the judge decides to unseal at the end of the trial that is his prerogative. That is all there is to it unless upon appeal the information is disclosed. Juror's are free to do as they please at the end of the trial.

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What? He said no after they made the motion.

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They're still digging to get what they can though...they can't seem to leave it alone for whatever reason. I don't even see the point - they're (the jury that is) going to come back with guilty verdicts.

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Come on Hugh - this is the Clinton News Networks in America (Predominantly left leaning) they are not going to blame their own side for the threats now are they.

The Conservatives on the right, are not going to threaten a Conservative Judge.

Some of the left have shown themselves to be psychotic... they are capable of such a thing.

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All we have is what the Judge says which have been reported by a wide range of outlets.

It's also feasible that Trump fans who believe this is rigged would send threats to the judge just as it's feasible anti-Trump people will threaten him on the risk Manafort is not guilt. Some on the right have shown themselves to be psychotic too.

We just don't know. We might as well wait to see if we ever do.

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I didn't say it was "the left". I said it was the media. Granted, a lot of the media leans politically to the left but what we are seeing is the result of a media (social as well as broadcast) driven political frenzy.

We've got a lot of people today who are drawn to media like moths to a flame. The can't get enough of the intrigue and drama that's being spread. That happens on both sides. Media figured out a long time ago that appeals to emotion draw viewers and their advertisers tend to like viewer numbers. Therefore we have "news" media that spends less time telling the story and more time telling stories about the story.

The problem is that some people can't handle the drama. They get overwhelmed and do horrible things. Sometimes they shoot up a pizza parlor and sometimes they shoot up a congressional baseball practice. The jurors in this case are at risk from fanatics from both political ideologies.

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So a few days ago, Peter Strzok was fired by the FBI (just like McCabe) and even though this is not "materially" relevant to the 2016 election probe (as he had been re-assigned before hand) I think that it is pertinent to show a clear pattern of bad behavior from those investigating...in fact his behavior pre dates the issue of counsel in fact. Clearly Muller will be disappointed ; he has a very tight ship but somehow / some way along the line his professionalism has come under fire from the presence of the likes of Strzok etc.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-45173015

There is some dispute as to whether or not the agency followed protocol or not:

Now clearly his own attorney is not an unbiased enough source ; he is clearly going to side with strzok but this does break rank with Christopher Wray's statement upon confirmation regarding personnel matters. (Regular order etc)

Of course the main ethical issue at hand (and most notable case) in the public eye, was of course his affair with Lisa Page, seen here:


https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2018/08/12.jpg

The texts between the two and their apparent conspiring in trying to stop Trump is what the death nail was for well...Peter anyway:
Page has subsequently been sent elsewhere since McCabe was fired so that is now adding to the tally of folks with bad behavior through the probe. (And what has been revealed as a consequence).

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Fox News is left leaning?

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Strange how no one focuses on the Republican bias in the New York FBI office when active and retired FBI officers which fed Guilani information leading up to the election.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN1JE2ZH

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Let's not forget the prime originator of this environment. Trump, with his social media narrative of alternative truth and media condemnation sets the scene for the new levels of vitriol as you put it.

If you put out a narrative that ignores and twists reality then you will end up with a new set of rules.

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That proves nothing. The Democrats are the ones here, who colluded with Russian folk via Fusion GPS and Steele. The Corrupted DNC and Crooked Hillary paid for the Fake Russian Dossier. Then the Obama DOJ tried to stop a Trump Presidency, with Strzok’s ‘insurance policy’ and ‘we’ll stop him.” text when asked by his lover if Trump will ever become President.

President Obama appears to lie on national tv, saying he does not speak to the FBI on any pending cases. period, yet there is text messages, from Strzok saying he wants to know everything he’s doing.

A second special prosecutor is required and the current one investigating the DNC Hoax and political witch hunt, needs to be fired.

And you know exactly what news organisations are left leaning that I was on about. I stand by my assertion that it’s folk on the left who are threatening the Judge.

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Mick if Trump ever did commit crimes how would you ever know since you’re angry when either the media or the justice system ever investigates him or his allies? Whilst at the same time want to investigate his political opponents and sue media organisations that are perceived to be hostile to him. It’s tinpot dictator stuff this.

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Investigations that have so far indicated Trump in absolute no indication of Collusion with the Russians. It is a witch hunt manufactured by the Fake News Media and Hillary and the DNC, evidence exists of their wrong doing, why are they not being investigated?

This is not tin pot dictator stuff - it's very easy to dismiss the potential crimes, Hillary has partaken in here when you wanted her to be the President. She was cleared when obvious statutes were violated, any other person would have been incarcerated, with just half the stuff she's got away with.

Classified emails being found on the laptop of her aides husband, is this tin pot stuff ?

No it is not. That is mishandling of classified material which is federal crime, the buck stops with Crooked Hillary, as to why those emails were found to be in possession of an unauthorised person. Several Statutes violated here...

Meanwhile, a Navy Sailor takes photos of classified areas of a submarine and is indicted on unlawful retention of national defense information. In May 2016, he pleaded guilty to the crime. In August 2016, U.S. District Judge Stefan Underhill sentenced Kristian Saucier to one year in federal prison. He was discharged from the Navy, was released from prison last year, but his criminal conviction remained, he was unable to rejoin the Navy because of this and he lost benefits he would have been entitled to.

He committed a stupid act, but was dealt with harshly, that's when President Trump came along and saw the total pathetic injustice or lack of, of Crooked Hillary and her classified emails being unlawfully retained by an unauthorised person but getting away with it and just being labelled careless, and decided to issue a Full Pardon to Saucier.

By the way - In July 2018 Saucier has filed a lawsuit against former President Barack Obama, former FBI Director James Comey, former Attorney General Loretta Lynch, former FBI Director Andrew McCabe, and others. Saucier alleges that other sailors committed violations similar to his, but weren't criminally charged or discharged from service. He also claims that a double standard exists that protected Crooked Hillary Clinton in her email controversy, but not him. Saucier is seeking $20 million in damages. He is representing himself in this lawsuit.

Good for him. No-one is above the law, including the Clintons.

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We don’t decide guilt based on what we’ve read in the papers or Twitter. If Trump hasn’t done anything wrong then there will be no charges, Manafort might well be found not guilty given the time the jury is taking.

However it’s for investigators and courts to decide these things.

Also what’s with the crooked Hiliary stuff again?