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No one said you can't have connections with foreigners. We're saying you can't be complicit in foreigners (or nationals) hacking your country to influence an election.

and those are just as illegal. There are stabbings every single day as well, that wouldn't be an effective defense in court though.

Doesn't matter if it didn't swing a single vote. It's still not acceptable to have foreign powers attacking your country.

None. The accusations relate to the hacking of the DNC and the subsequent Wikileaking of their e-mails over the course of the campaign.

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American politics 101. Candidates attempt to dig dirt on each other all the time.

But come on, you're right. How many times has the US 'attacked' and interfered in foreign Elections?

You had a CNN Producer caught on tape saying the likes of the CIA had rigged foreign elections for years and I said this other day in another thread, Barack Obama coming here, interfering in our EU Referendum by making a intervention, in the form of Blackmail but I guess it was totally okay to do because he was aligned with the remainers. :rolleyes:

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What Obama did wasn't illegal. People are allowed to pontificate publicly on such matters even if it's rather unorthodox and rude.

But Speech not illegal. Hacking illegal. That's a rather big difference.

Now we don't know exactly what has happened with this as it's an ongoing case. However hypothetically would you be fine had Corbyn's allies talked with Russia about leaking information they obtained via hacking the Tories? Or would you think that's rather traitorous?

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Legalities aside, it is still a foreign interference.

But getting back to the DNC.... Who actually hacked though..?..

None of the servers were handed over to the FBI and afaik still haven't.

No foreign intervention is fine, but I struggle to condemn such activity when the US are no angels, they cannot play victim when it suits, when it's a case of them who casts the first stone.

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There are two hacks. The hacking of the DNC and the hacking of Clinton's campaign manager. Most of the issues here focus on the former and I believe those servers were handed over - but could be wrong - they haven't been in the latter case but that's because it was a gmail account.

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Trump Jr has released the e-mail itself: https://twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/s...89839522140166

Which confirms he knew this information was coming from the Russian Government itself! That wasn't even the NYTimes story! They said it was an attorney who knows prominent Russians but a private attorney. Here Donald Trump Jr is told, ahead of the meeting, that it's the Russian Government! Why did he release it?

edit: looks like he might have been trying to get ahead of the NYTimes who have the e-mails: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/11/u...e-iphone-share

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Copy of email which Donald Trump Jnr has posted on his Twitter feed (as Damien has posted above).

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/at...0&d=1499787303

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It's because NYTimes were doing a story. The timestamps show they came out about the same time.

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Donald Trump's son and campaign met with Russian government officials to discuss incriminating information on Clinton 'as part of Russia's support for Mr Trump' and they knew this. :shocked: They knew it was the Russian government when they took the meeting.

And the FBI Director was fired whilst investigating it.

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Back in May....:rolleyes:

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...98775731818496




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Here's a full story: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/donal...ry?id=48567195

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Sadly, the impression I get is that Trump has really been taking the mick out of his supporters. To any Trump supporters reading this, I'm sorry that you've been lied to, you totally deserve better. I believe that you sincerely believed in what Trump told you and Trump was clever into convincing people not to trust the media and instead to follow his tweets and YouTube broadcasts. He's not the first politician to lie but he came from outside the establishment and promised a new approach.

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You're talking as if it is the end of the Trump Presidency. There is a long way to go before this gets to where it could go. But even so, I am still glad Hillary lost.

There is no angels on either side of this story and her losing is all I cared about. I have said this from day one.

I have already seen a few desperate comments from some on the left, screaming 'impeach, impeach now!, lets get Hillary in office.'

I hate to bring it to them, but they will be crying for ever more, that if and that's a big if, if Trump is removed or resigns from office, Pence becomes the next President, but there are some even saying get Pence too, because they think, this will then allow Hillary to become President, big fat no, Paul Ryan, house speaker, is next in line and so on, not her and this still pleases me immensely.

It's interesting to note that there is a JFK, (John. F. Kelly), currently in this line of succession. But he's like the 17th person. :erm:

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You have to be careful with talk of Impeachment. Mick's right we're not at that stage yet, people need to be vary wary of impeaching a democratically elected President. Given the atmosphere in politics it wouldn't be isolated to Trump, the next President will have people looking for impeachment as well.

If impeachment were to happen you could need clear illegal activity or gross abuse of power that is clear for all to see. Most of the country would need to see that it's a justified impeachment. We're not there yet.

Trump is getting closer to it than we've seen since Bill Clinton and the affair. There still isn't any direct implication to Trump himself but this e-mail chain implicates his campaign manager and his son.

At the moment the riskiest thing is that he fired the FBI Director. Given that it now seems this was at least one part of what he was investigating then it looks really bad. He fired the guy who was investigating his Son and campaign manager for alleged collusion with the Russians! Remember it was the cover-up that got Nixon in the end.

By the way how stupid is that e-mail chain? Why was he was open in e-mail!? Who writes down such incriminating stuff in a medium which is trackable, hackable and can be obtained quite easily. Especially when running against someone who got in trouble because their e-mails leaked. :dunce:

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If you ask me, I think Trump is bored of the Presidency, I got that impression last week at the G20, it seemed an effort for him to be there, in one photo opportunity, he seemed uninterested and our own PM tapped him twice on the shoulders to get him to turn around and in one meeting at the G20, he stepped out of it and he got his own daughter, Ivanka to sit in which rightfully raised a few eyebrows. I do not usually jump in on the criticism bandwagon but that was totally wrong her sitting there like that.

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I agree but I think he's been like that early one. Hence all the trips to his golf course. I'm not sure he really wanted to win when he started his campaign, maybe thought it would be good PR but did very well and competitive instinct took over.

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I think he liked the attention and it became like winning The Apprentice for him. His likes to delegate and focus on his strengths which works in a private company. But in public office, delegating meetings to his daughter which he probably wouldn't enjoy just rubs up the elected politicians who are there in person.

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Being honest i think he's out of his depth and he's starting to realise it, it's one thing to talk about changing this that and the other it's a totally different thing when you have to try and fight the established system in washington that i think trump clearly underestimated. The saddest part of this is that it was a great chance to fundamentally alter US politics and return the government more to the people that may well be lost because it was trump that rode that wave of dissatisfaction. If he goes too quick it will be looked at as a blip rather then the desperate wish for change that many americans based their vote on, he has to stick it out and keep trying to affect change because if he just quits americans will never forgive him.