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The people behind all that have 666 birth marks and are very very paranoid and in need of help.;)

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Q :Yes:

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Couldn't resist this one - the perils of 'more relevant' advertising: http://i28.tinypic.com/2z4dav4.jpg

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I'm sorry to have to say I 'phorm'ed you this evening. I was reading the BT Beta webwise pages and I came across some text I had not read before and after a few sentences, instinctively, I had the thought this must be you. Sure enough the I glanced to the left and the name matched.

It really does work this cross database pattern matching. There can be no privacy in Phorm world.

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Data Protection Manager,
Box 17,
BT Centre,
81 Newgate Street,
London.
EC1A 7AJ

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OH NO! - HOW DID YOU DO THAT?!!

:shocked:

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I am not too sure. I suspect it was either your eloquent grammar or your sarcastic witty references to BT that could have given the game away it was you.

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Done, BT Webwise information
;)

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I really liked this site's word possibly for the likes of Phorm and NebuAd.

Malvertising

Check it out. They say:-
"An Internet-based criminal method for the installation of unwanted or malicious software through the use of Internet advertising media networks and exchanges."

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i see BC1's replyed but, thats what that link at the bottom of every post i make is for ;)

http://www.ico.gov.uk/ESDWebPages/Search.asp?EC=1
its a shame they dont show any Fax machine No.s or we could do it that way.... LOL, i had to giggle when i went looking for free fax services available on the web.

http://askbobrankin.com/send_a_free_fax.html
"....
Free Internet Faxing... Really?

Yes, it's really free. The service is supported by advertising on the cover page of the free faxes you send. That seems like a small "price" to pay for sending a free fax.

You don't have to buy a fax machine, fax software, fax supplies, get a fax line, or pay long distance phone charges. And typically the cover page is mostly blank anyway. Why not fill it up with something useful?

...
"
do you think VM,BT,CPW, and the ICO would like this 'NoDPI' targeted advertising on all the "Official Notice" faxes they get ;)

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Popper dont do it there is people who do not understand Irony ;P

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but i thought that was the whole idea of BT WebWise, allowing the ISP to reduce the cost to the customer for the broadband service or allow the ISP to invest in decent backbone kit?

we are just reducing our costs to lodge complaints to the ICO and reducing carbon footprint as well due to no transport miles :)

peter :shrug:
ps i am sure the adverts will be relevant as well if enough people use the service :angel:

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they could well be X rated you never know :angel:

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a little light reading to pass the time
http://www.lightbluetouchpaper.org/2...low-up-report/
"
Personal Internet Security: follow-up report

July 8th, 2008 at 13:05 UTC by Richard Clayton
The House of Lords Science and Technology Committee have just completed a follow-up inquiry into “Personal Internet Security”, and their report is published here.

Once again I have acted as their specialist adviser, and once again I’m under no obligation to endorse the Committee’s conclusions —

but they have once again produced a useful report with sound conclusions, so I’m very happy to promote it!
...
"

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The Members of the Science and Technology Committee are:
Lord Broers (co-opted)
Lord Colwyn
Lord Crickhowell
Earl of Erroll (co-opted)
Lord Haskel
Lord Howie of Troon
Lord Krebs
Lord May of Oxford
Lord Methuen
Earl of Northesk
Lord O’Neill of Clackmannan
Lord Patel
Earl of Selborne
Lord Sutherland of Houndwood (Chairman)
Lord Taverne

Lord Warner

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what would be causing this
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on a web site i visit never seen it before and no option to do as it says either.?

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URL? I/we can check it out...

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Personal Internet Security: Follow-up :
Earl of Northesk
"There is another issue here which I find absolutely fascinating, which is the knotty problem of Phorm. A number of aggrieved subscribers think that an offence has been committed with their particular Internet services purely and simply because BT conducted trials secretly. However, I happen to know that a number of these aggrieved subscribers have hawked themselves around, Home Office, the Information Commissioner, law enforcement, and been given the brush-off time and time again. What are the Government actually going to do in terms of providing the relevant resources and expertise out there so that action can actually be taken against e-crime?"

and the end result. I think they are going to get a proper police e-crime unit;)

Phorm - I think you may get burned

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Tops ............lol these forum games....sry admin

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A related story on Slashdot re. NebuAd and the U.S. Senate inquiry. Might be a good idea to post some comments re. Phorm so the discussion can also be widened out to include both sides of the pond.

http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/08/07/08/226227.shtml

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You know something? I really, really like this gentleman! :nworthy:

Yup! :D :D

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Since you raise the subject of out of date and insecure software (something against which phorm won't provide any protection), have you read this article on Phorm's 2007 test?


http://www.spikelab.org/blog/btProxyHorror.html


And I'll also remind you Phorm's opt-in /opt-out originally came with a glaringly obvious CSRF vulnerability meaning anyone could set your opt-in /opt-out cookie by posting an image in a forum :rolleyes:

Oh, and regarding Phorm's "phishing protection", I understand you only get if you opt-in, and you can opt-out by blocking webwise.net cookies, in which case your IP address will be blacklisted for 30 minutes... So what happens if your kids have a PC and have blocked Phorm's cookies on their computer, or you connect to your phorming ISP and are allocated an IP address that is still blacklisted having only just been released by a user who blocks webwise.net cookies, or as others have mentioned the phishers use an https address - would I be right that in all cases you'd not be protected, but would believe you are.

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“Personal Internet Security”

A lot to read in the report lots of posturing and promises,but yet again the emphasis is set on financial loss and child abuse,whilst the aforementioned subjects are in no way trivial I read very little about data harvesting which surely is the root of all evils,lots of talk of "wake up calls" on data loss but little about data theft,liked the bit about the Govt running an public information scheme to help everyone understand the implications of good security as long as it goes further than misplacing your disk's or drives or getting your laptop pinched .Yes a lot of good promises but nothing this year,surely on a financial note tighter security would mean less financial loss so more financial input from the private sector for funding would seem a sensible place to start.Nice to see that the ineffectualness of the ICO and Police was highlighted. But its all talk and conjecture at this moment they need a push to commit themselves but I fear fighting the next election is uppermost in all govt parties in and out of office.All in all a good read needs to be thoroughly dissected I am sure we will do exactly that.:cool:

I bid you good night . Tarquin

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Good night, and good morning. Another nice quote here from the same report:
http://www.publications.parliament.u...ch/131/131.pdf

Q31 Earl of Erroll: A quick rider before I start. The
first thing I was going to say was that I did not feel
there was disrespect in the response from the
Government at all. I rather felt that there were
probably problems of budget and a feeling of how
were you going to get it out of the Treasury, therefore
the usual thing was to say “Well, let’s talk about it a
bitmore and then hope that something appears in the
next budget round� or something like that, which
was disappointing. I think what the Earl of Northesk
was asking was slightly different from what I am
about to ask which was that he was thinking about
how this was classified and whether Phorm is a crime
or is not. There are rules that would suggest that it is
but no government department wants to pick it up
and say that it is. Everyone wants to shift the buck

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way to go, Earl of Errol

i think we have a new allie, have not seen the name before, alex, give that man an invite

peter

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Remember that this is priveliged because it was said in Parliament by a member of the House of Lords, so as long as it is quoted accurately, carefully and attributed, you can quote it all over the place, as long as you do so in "reporting" on the parliamentary proceedings. BT can't send you threatening legal letters!

Can anyone confirm whether El Reg has got this stuff? I don't want to bombard Chris if his usual bloodhounds have scented it out.

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The Earl is someone who (IMHO) would not be happy with the implemtation of Phorm/Webwise. He is a man very concerned with data protection and civil liberties.

I read an excellent debate in which both he and Baroness Miller spoke. You can read it here: http://www.theyworkforyou.com/lords/...8-06-12a.724.5

You guys might finds the debate interesting. What I know you will find interesting is this paragraph spoken by Baroness Miller: (My bold)

Source: http://www.publications.parliament.u...80612-0009.htm - Column 726

Is it just me, or did the CEO of Phorm actually mislead the Baroness to what Phorm actually does? I think he did.

Anyway, the Earl of Errol is a good man (with great understanding of the data protection minefield) and, from what I have read, I doubt if he would let Phorm anywhere near his browsing. (My opinion.)

OB

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Tinyurl is now allowing you to enter custom URLs when creating tinyurl's. I have registered 'phorm' and 'webwise':

http://tinyurl.com/phorm

http://tinyurl.com/webwise

Register your combinations now!

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A precautionary note to avoid embarrassment:

There is a new Windows update out to fix DNS vulnerabilities, which may possibly result in odd things happening to browsing if it goes at all awry. Just might be best to bear this in mind before we make any wild accusations about trials beginning in secret or anything. Don't want to look as stupid as BT.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7496735.stm

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Where? Can't see anything on a quick glance on the tiny url homepage

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http://tinyurl.com/

You should see a 'custome alias' text box under the 'Enter a long URL to make tiny:' text box.

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I heard this on the BBC World Service last night too. It does not sound like anything more than the DNS hijack vulnerability that Richard Clayton was mentioning with regard to the 307 redirects performed by the Layer 7 switch. If I recall, the earlier tests were demonstrated using a spoofed paypal site - https and all.

Here is a question for the techies: if everyone used their computer's host file for the DNS lookups that it was designed for, would that help to avoid the redirects performed by the Layer 7 switch or any other hacker/malware?

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OB the good Baroness was saved by the good guys see from post #8844 ,don't you love a happy ending.especialy as the good Lady Baroness is Guesting the meeting. No cred for Kenty boy in the Lords :D:D

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Malvertising has been around since at least April last year - first in spam directing people to a Google/Yahoo PPC url that had been infected. Some ads, after infecting you, sent you on to the real site while others dumped you onto a site which had copied the original, hoping that you would place an order and confirm any PI that they had not been able to harvest off your computer.

One thing the article omitted was the number of tracking scripts which are also infected by malware - you will see many forums where sites have been blacklisted because of 3rd party scripts that they have hosted for years without any problems, yet they have suddenly been infected by malware.

What I found most interesting in the article was that these scripts hosted by sites have access to the DOM - that I did not know.

Below the article, there is a comment about Phorm which makes for some very interesting reading too, considering the date it was written. Perhaps it explains why the fora are no longer filled by PhormPRTeam.

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As some of you know, I've sent a couple of FoI requests to the ICO and Home Office to understand their relationship with Phorm, and the curious reluctance of regulators like Police, ICO, Home Office to prosecute BT.

I don't know whether this is significant or not; it may be one of life's curious but meaningless co-incidences.

In 2007 a terrorist attack occured at Glasgow Airport, on 30 June 2007.

The best information I have to date is that BT conducted the second secret trials of Phorm systems between the dates 17 June to 7 July 2007 (which obviously overlaps the date on which that attack occurred). During this trial, supposedly, no advertising messages were served to the public.

After the attack, the UK was placed on a critical security alert level (where critical means an attack is expected imminently). The threat level was not reduced until July 4 2007, when it was lowered to severe where it remains today (where severe means an attack is highly likely).

During the 6 months that followed the trials, despite the critical/severe alert level, the Home Office Covert Investigation Policy Team and Office for Security and Counter Terrorism were engaged in providing legal advice to Phorm (a supplier of rootkits and advertising systems, developed in Moscow).

For the avoidance of doubt, let me make very clear I've certainly never seen nothing in the information released to me to date that suggests a link between intelligence gathering and Phorm. And the Home Office have been keen to emphasise to me there is no link.

But I can't make sense of what I know at present.

Don't get me wrong, fighting terrorists is a laudible goal, and one I wholly support. But what were the Home Office thinking, when the UK was and remains in a state of critical/severe threat level? And when Phorm presents such a severe security and privacy risk to the UK?

:scratch:

Office for Security and Counter Terrorism
www.security.homeoffice.gov.uk
The OCST is the product of the recent government shake-up
to streamline who does what in the British counter-terrorism
structure. It takes the lead in the government’s “CONTEST”
counter-terrorism strategy and oversees much of the work that
NaCTSO, CPNI, MI5, JTAC, and others do to help business mitigate
the home-grown terrorist threat.You will also be able to find on
their website the “proscribed terror list” which will provide
a complete listing of all the organisations considered “terrorist”
by the UK government

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In general, I would say yes (to this particular vulnerability). However it isn't the most practical approach. I suppose it would be worthwhile recording a few of your most sensitive sites in your hosts file (bank/paypal etc.).

You would, of course, have to manually update your hosts file should the site change it's IP address for whatever reason (not that often I would suspect).

Of course, this won't help the intercept that BT/Phorm will be doing. As far as I'm aware there is no tcp/ip flag that says 'do not source nat this packet' - this would actually be a very nice little feature (although the equipment doing the source nat is free to ignore the flag of course).

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Hi Tarquin,

I know all about the Baroness posting here, (I even gave the Lady some rep points :D )and that she's speaking next week; also agree that it's great news for us. Just thought it worth pointing out, as you've also stated above, that Phorm's lies are now officially on record in Hansard.

Seems to me that Kent thinks he has the ability to make people believe every word that comes out of his mouth; :dunce: :dunce: good for us and shame for him that some politicians aren't as easily fooled.

OB

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Location, location, location
BT have a long history of being interested in tracking services:
"Location-based services have been the next big thing for a long time. Way back in 2001, BT Cellnet, as it was then before it became O2, lured me to the Isle of Man to see trials of the world's first 3g network. One of the things that got them really excited was driving us in a taxi past some windswept pub on a lonely road so that a screen inside the cab could light up with a message inviting us in for a pint."

Now Yahoo are trying it: http://fireeagle.yahoo.net/

With everyone trying to get onto the 'added value' bandwagon, my big hope is that in a few years it will still be possible to buy a mobile phone which is a mobile phone.

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OB it's hard to know what Kenty boy is losing the fastest his cred if he has any or his loot, what say you good people and of course you 43 Guests to the forum join in we love fresh input

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The conclusion that I would personally draw is that regardless of what they say to the contrary at the time the government immediately saw in Phorm the potential to be able to skirt existing privacy laws and see everywhere that everybody goes whilst online in real time!

I think the moment when I stopped accepting anything the government, or their agencies say, at face value was before the Iraq war when I returned home from work to find my wife in tears because she'd just heard the news that Iraq were capable of delivering a chemical warhead missile strike on targets in the UK within 45 minutes! They expected us to believe that a country under strict sanctions since the first gulf conflict (Iraqi invasion of Kuwait) had developed icbm capabilities! In that first war their scud missiles struck Tel Aviv from launchers on the Syrian / Iraqi border only because the warheads had been removed in order to achieve that extreme range! They consequently justified going to war with Iraq on the basis that they posed a direct threat to British Sovereign Territory - the only justification NATO would accept for such action.

Liars



:)

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TLS, don't know if you (or anyone else) ever heard the interview Kent did with Charles Arthur (of The Guardian) back in March; if not, you can hear it here: http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology...s.arthur.phorm.

This guy is a master at losing credibility just by opening his own mouth. :dunce:

Listen how he:

Panics when he realises that we know about the dodgy forged cookies (and about how they work)
Claims that 121Media/ContextPlus never ever done anything wrong
Shifts the responsibility for the so called customer polls supporting his scheme over to the ISPs
Claims he has the full backing of the Home Office and 'other relevant authorities'
Is clearly making up some bits up as he goes along

and lots more...

Give it a listen, you'll laugh, cry and get mad all at the same time.

I'd love to hear that interview done again today, considering all the new information that has been uncovered since back in March; it would make very interesting listening.

OB

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Off topic but latest ms auto update breaks zone alarm after reboot. Temp fix is to set internet zone to medium.

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someone is desperate for phorm shares, two blocks of 5000 sold at 900 when the price range is 700-800, so why pay an 100 on top??

wheres hammy? he been following his own advice again and buying more shares???

peter

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In post 34571690 I pasted a copy of a letter I wrote to West Yorkshire Police to report a crime.

I then had a reply from a Detective Inspector which told me they could not help and "All matters in respect of alleged breaches of communications are dealt with by The Interception of Communications Commissioner."

So I wrote to Sir Paul Kennedy (The Commissioner, c/o 2 Marsham Street, London SW1P 4DF). Now I did say I would share his reply, so I'll scan in and do that later. Suffice to say... (you guessed it!!), he does not agree with the Detective Inspector.

So I am writing back to the DI at West Yorkshire Police and I post below my letter reporting the crime again, this time backed up by Sir Paul's commentary:

Quote:

Detective Inspector xxxxxxxxxxx West Yorkshire Police Headquarters PO Box 9 Laburneum Road Wakefield WF1 3QP 9th July 2008 Dear Detective Inspector Reporting a crime by BT plc - Interception of communications, contrary to RIPA 2000 Thank you for your letter dated 5th June 2008 in response to my reporting of a crime under the above act, RIPA 2000. In your letter you explained that all matters in respect of alleged breaches of communications are dealt with by The Interception of Communications Commissioner (hereafter referred to as The Commissioner) care of 2 Marsham Street in London SW1. The commissioner does not agree with you. In receipt of your letter I wrote to Sir Paul Kennedy (The Commissioner) and have now received a response from his office which states that The Commissioner's role is set out in RIPA section 57(2) and he goes on to explain the process in more detail: The Commissioner advises me that if a person were to intercept a communication intentionally, and without lawful authority that would be an offence (see RIPA section 1(1)), but it would NOT be any part of the duty of The Commissioner to investigate the offence. Investigating 'would be a matter for the prosecuting authority, namely the police and the Crown Prosecution Service.' So, I refer back to my original letter of 26th May 2008 and I would like to report a crime. I witnessed Ms Emma Sanderson, a director of BT plc, appear on British terrestrial television (*Channel 4, April 3rd 2008) saying that BT had intercepted communications of a number of customers, intentionally and without any legal order to do so, in 2006 and then again in 2007. Since the admission on television and my letter to you, a BT internal paper was 'leaked' to the public on June 4th 2008 via the internet*. The paper details how BT sought to keep this communication interception activity from their customers (evidence that they did not obtain permission for the interceptions carried out). The paper makes no reference to a legal order for carrying out the interceptions so I believe that the extent of your investigation might be to check that no such authority was provided before passing this to the CPS. * Video evidence from Emma Sanderson, the BT director interviewed by Channel 4 News is available on the internet: http://www.channel4.com/player/v2/pl...p?showId=11622 * BT internal paper 'PageSense External Validation Report 15th January 2007� is available here: http://wikileaks.org/wiki/British_Te...idation_report It would be wrong of I to intercept my neighbours mail and open it. It would be wrong to try and tap into their phone calls. It would be wrong to tap into my neighbours wireless internet connection and review all their data. No communication company can be allowed to do this. There are many legitimate reasons I can think of for legally intercepting communications and I will always fully support our security need to be able to do so in Britain. However, if BT, a company with offices in our region, has done this on a grand scale to thousands of customers, without permission and with no legal order or authority, then our police service need to investigate and pass their findings onto the CPS. I trust that you are now in a position to be able to register that an alleged crime has taken place and take the necessary steps to ensure that those responsible are brought to justice. Please note that there are now a large number of people interested in seeing that this issue is tackled and the law applied. I have published this letter (minus your name and mine) on a public forum. Unless you specifically request that I do not do so, I will share the response from West Yorkshire Police with interested parties on the same forum. Yours sincerely xxxxxxxxxxxx

I wonder what the next letter will say...

Hank

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Surely, even with a few months to get the story straight it'd be the same nonsensical rubbish if it were done again today? An executive summary for those who haven't heard it or lack the time etc...

He (Kent) says they don't store any data before going on to describe how they store product categories and timestamps linked to the cookie UID. "When it's off it's off, there's no data collection", this after repeatedly insisting they don't collect any data :rofl:

He says that the ISP administer the Phorm gear and a network level opt-out would defeat the anonymity of their system because then Phorm would know who you are :confused:

He talks about tracking cookies already on our computers, I can and do block these (actually all 3rd party cookies). Users couldn't block a cookie based opt-out Phorm since they'd still intercept all web traffic (something that doubleclick cannot do).

He talks about spoofing cookies and mentions being proud of "proprietary dimensions to the system"; "the cookie never leaves the system in any way"! :dunce:

121 media rebranded because consumers couldn't differentiate between spyware and "legitimate adware"? What difference?

Love the repeated appeal to authority, the executives previously worked for all these supposedly reputable companies that Kent name-drops, the inference being that you should therefore trust Phorm!

"It's an opportunity for consumers", "make yourself completely anonymous" :blah:

He also talks about the phishing stuff, which as we all know is complete junk too.

Did I miss anything?

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Or put Port 80,443 & any other port you require in the Outgoing TCP High Security ZA section.

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I interpret all these refusals to investigate as an acknowledgement by the authorities that a crime has probably been committed.

If a crime has been committed, to investigate and prosecute is probably going to be messy and expensive for whoever takes it on. If they were pretty sure that the conclusion of an investigation would be that no crime had been committed - which would not be as expensive or messy - they would be more prepared to take the case on.

Note that they have all without fail said that it is not their responsibility to investigate - not that they believe there is no case to investigate.

So much for justice!

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No, I would say you just about covered it. ;)

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Yep. That's why I'll just keep following the trail until I get to the top. (Or until I go round and around in circles finally ending up my own.... whatever - and I copy the Earl Of Northesk in so he sees it's still going on - good to see he raised it again, this is what we need)

Here's that letter from Sir Paul Kennedy's Office (the office of The Interception of Communications Commissioner). I told them I would publish it if they did not ask me to do different:

SO... my take on this is: If the Police don't act then I can go back to him and say:
Please can you review the exercise and performance by the Secretary of State and the Police of powers and duties imposed upon them by the Act because a person(s) has intercepted thousands of communications intentionally, and without lawful authority, which is an offence according to RIPA section 1(1).

Of ocurse, the file being handed over to the police in London next week during the protest can only help get some traction behind this too!!

Hank

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Has anyone requested the ICO write to the police clarifying their responsibilities?

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When I spoke with Ms Plod, I was asked if I could provide evidence of a crime. BT have offered a very good catch 22 situation - they claim to not know who was profiled so are unable to provide IP address range data (possible DPA restrictions?). Everyone with access logs for that period could be sitting with all the proof that Plod requires to prove the case yet Plod is not prepared to initiate a case and require BT/Phorm/121Media to provide logged evidence unless there is a strong likelihood of success.

Is admission of a crime over a public media permissible evidence in Court?
What about the published opinion by out-law that it was only a 'technical breach' which did not cause harm to anyone?
When there is a 100% probability that content on my sites was used to target my visitors with an advert from my competition, even one advert, then my business has suffered potential harm from visitors being spied upon.

And, if any pro-phormers are reading this: this is not the same as a search engine displaying ads along with a link to my site. At that stage, they are not yet my visitor. They have a choice which ad to click on: a paid or free ad (natural listings are just a 'free' ad). With a search engine, all links are equal, the positioning of each link, free or paid, reflecting the amount of money spent to put it into that position. Even though the search engine logs which link has been clicked on, once off the search page it can no longer track what the visitor does nor where it goes.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

According to The Interception of Communications Commissioner, it is their responsibility to "Keep under review the excercise and performance by the Secretary of State [Home Office I presume] and others of powers and duties imposed on them by the Act"

Therefore I think it is the Home Office's task to direct Police Chief Constables on their responsibilities. And if we find that we're getting nowhere it is back to The Commissioner as they have to review what's going on according to their role as defined in RIPA s57(2) (which I have not read yet and don't have time to do right now - arrgh!)

Hank

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Well the leaked report says they intercepted the communications to see what their customers were doing. It says that thay did it without telling (or ASKING) customers. And it does not say that they had a legal warrant/authority from a court. Ergo, illegal interception. So the Police should request an original copy of that report from BT (leaked one is undoubtedly real but probably does not count), review it and inerview Emma or someone else to see if they had a legal warrant to do it. That's the evidence needed by the CPS, isn't it?

They did it. They were not told to. They did not ask to. Illegal under RIPA.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

There's always the Police Complaints Commission.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Interesting thought. Though I'd rather not go there. Too many friends are officers. I'm not really complaining about behaviour/conduct during the police pursuit of their responsibilities. It's more about getting them to accept this is their responsibility to do something. And of course the reason they are pushing back is cost, so it's back to London... Won't forget your point here though!

OT:
Love the dog pic - went with friends last week to look at a long haired german shep. His owners are moving to Oz and it needs a new home. Unlucky friend I have... has lost 2 alsations at 6 or 7 years of age. :(

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Video evidence is from surveillance cameras is regularly used as corroborating evidence in court.
A number of people have been interviewed and charged with offensives from speeding to assault as a result of posting videos on YouTube.
Even if the TV interviews on Channel4 and BBC Business aren't sufficient evidence in themselves, they are enough to warrant an investigation.

I have a feeling that the reluctance to take any action, and all the buck passing by the police, agencies and the civil service is because none of them fully understand the internet let alone what BT/Phorm have done. Their policy is, if they don't understand it, pass it to another department. It also takes lot of persuasion to convince people that a national company like BT has been involved in anything underhand.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

... not forgetting that the 2006 trial was 18,000 people, the 2007 trail was hundreds of thousands.

It is the documentation from the 2007 trial that would likely be even more damning, and it is only the Police who would be able to raid the ISPs and arrest directors to obtain that information. BT did not provide that data to the ICO (nor did the ICO ask for it, for reasons I can't comprehend).

By prevaricating, the Police have given ISPs ample time to destroy evidence of the 2007 trial.

I sincerely hope someone, somewhere has a copy of that evidence they are willing to turn over to a corruption free Police enquiry, if not this forum too.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

The police don't have to investigate every "crime" reported but in this case they are working under the misapprehention that it is outside of their remit. As this situation has now been clarified they should investigate and the idea that there has to be "a" victim is untrue as many offences don't need a specific victim - public order offences for example.

Raising a case with the PCC will allow the authorities to inform the relevant officers of their responsibilty in this matter - it does require disciplinary action so much as someone to take responsibility.

I have friends and family who work for BT - my late father worked for them his whole working life and reached a fairly senior position - but it doesn't stop me from persuing this matter.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

In that case has anyone raised a FOI request asking the ICO what communications they have had with the HO regarding the BT trials?

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/07...ieless_optout/

NebuAd vows to eat it's opt-out cookie

:D

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

BT spending lots of money wonder why... 20 million is a lot of money

http://www.iii.co.uk/investment/deta...lay=news&it=le

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Oh God...

I manage an Iomart hosted site whose Customer Service and Tech Support are UK based and run by Ufindus...

S'pose they'll both be moved to Lahore now

Being bought out by BT really is the kiss of death, having robbed Tiscali of the title! *spits* (after typing the T word)

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Or the relevant police authority? (different in London from rest of country)

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

At the same time they are currently cashing in commercial property (old exchanges etc) at auction.

See here; http://www.breachwoodingram.co.uk/fo...n.php?all=true (see 'former BT property').

regards
Pete.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

well done, that needs posting on the
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/07...keup/comments/
Phorm is a crime or is not,There are rules that would suggest that it is... post , to backup the Q31 Earl of Erroll: points ;)

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again,that needs posting to the "Phorm is a crime or is not,There are rules that would suggest that it is..." post , to backup the Q31 Earl of Erroll: points ;)
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/07...keup/comments/

time to pile it all up slowly again, to bring us to the a day or so before the protest

and link all the external posts back here with direct urls to your posts, so people can follow the points made from that point...

click your post, then click the link to show the thread from that point on, so they dont just see a single post view and think theres no more to see or read.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

And another good example is counterfeiting money.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

I had another listen to this today. I experienced all those emotions you mentioned.

I couldn't say for sure if he was really making it up because it was an mp3 and I couldn't see if his lips were moving. ;)

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

SO how is this different from phorm, from a website owner's perspective? http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/07...ping_bravofly/

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

that puts Bt in the hot seat and if that is proven webbys rejoice

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

[Dreaming]
LOL you know, it might be werth buying up all these freehold BT buildings and land around the country, and setup a Co-Operative ISP ,were over time, the locals could have all kinds of interesting additions to the basic services that might be put there.... wireless Messed Wimax and all the rest :erm:

perhaps theres even some existing dark fibre already there directly to some well connected Co-Locations sites somewere ?, put loads of low bitrate free Meraki Outdoor units all over the place, hell ,even allow for point to multipoint 1gig wireless microwave kit directly to your home, if it's dreaming, might as well do it big :monkey:

it would be nice to say to such a Co-Operative, i want IP Multicasting as standard to everyone,and secure https as standard to all, i want some rackspace and ports for the new Co-operative MC TV like the janet network use...

the potentials there, and people are starting to think it might be time to get away from these DPI intecepting ISPs, and we might as well have direct access to Uk based webside server space and all the benefits that gets you....
[/Dreaming]

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Help... how do I add a link in an El Reg Comment text?

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That is a B-E-A-UTIFUL thing. Thumbs up to Ryannair.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

i forget how but it can be done, you add something to the end of the ElReg base page URL

i just re-read my post , and realisd ,wrong end of stick , i ment copy any of your related CF posts into the ElReg story comments so they can copy/paste back here if they feel like it....

but im sure you can link the Elreg comments as above somehow, but cant find the references of how to do it....

[Opps]

Paul Delaney saves the day, see below :)

yes, its a shame ElReg dont allow live URL parsing to just (right)click and go

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

I hear they are keeping some buildings apparently something to do with storage of some Duff servers or similar ,phorm your own opinons :D:D:D
Maybe they'll be on Ebay

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Meanwhile, over the pond.

"Legal Implications of Online Behavioral Advertising Practices: Collection of Internet Content from ISPs May Violate Federal and State Wiretap Laws"

http://cdt.org/press/20080708press.php

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Any truth in the rumour that Phorm may be going to join the environmentally friendly energy production by harnessing together banks of rotational devices for electricity generation and they will use small furry rodents to rotate the devices and generate power,it isto be called "Rodent Induction Power" and if successful you will see a lot of ads for Phorm RIP. personaly I think there are similar devices that could be converted for a small fee.but the sooner I see Phorm RIP the better.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Each El Reg comment is allocated an anchor point expressed as #myanchorpoint at the end of the URL

View and search the source code of the page for the text you want to link to:

<h3>Phorm is a crime or is not,There are rules that would suggest that it is...<a name="c_265300"> </a></h3>

and use the c_265300 as the anchor point reference like this: /#c_265300

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/07...ents/#c_265300


:D


EDIT: Did you mean create a live link from El Reg comments to here?

I'm not sure you can because they only allow plain text comments and you'd need to wrap the link with [ U R L ][ / U R L ] (html) to make it live.

:)

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

i like the quote
"With an opt-in in place, a NebuAd has little hope of corralling the web surfers it needs to make its ad-happy technologies commercially viable. Heck, if an opt-in is required, most ISPs won't even sign the contract. They're more than willing to pimp your data, but not without an ample return."

so what happened to user wanting the service?? and the magical reports that say WE ALL WANT ADS

BT , PHORM you listening???

peter

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Yeah - I was tempted to comment:

I know of one idiot ISP that signed up!

It becomes more and more obvious that BT did very little research before comitting themselves to this...

Probably a poor analogy but when being interviewed about his addiction to sex by Jonathan Ross, when asked the question "Do you take precautions?" Russel Brand answered:

"Well yes, first I make doubly sure that it is a woman, then I'm straight in there!"

BT obviously went straight in and omitted to make the most fundamental of checks first...




:D

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

I'm not a great fan of Peter Ryan, but he fights like a lurcher after a hare, so if we can point him at BT/Phorm/Webwise it might be a very entertaining little exchange. I think he enjoys taking on the big ones. I'll investigate sending something to him tomorrow.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

What a day. They wouldn't let me on the train because the doors closed as I got on the platform (screw up in the ticket office delayed me) so I was an hour late for my CoL Police meeting (they were very good about it though).

I explained that I would be presenting them with a case file on the day of the protest too and initially they thought it came under the jurisdiction of the communications commissioner (as you lot discussed earlier today) however I pointed out that the Home Office has stated it was the responsibility of the police and the Chief Inspector who was in the meeting actually agreed. So we may get somewhere next week with the case file. The police will be providing 10 officers throughout the protest in the interests of public safety and they will be providing some barriers too. They are perfectly happy about the protest and have no issues.

Now on to the House of Lords. First they serve fantastic coffee! But on to the serious stuff. My meeting with the Earl lasted almost 3 hours and it was an incredibly interesting discussion, he is very easy to talk to and I have most of our discussion recorded (we had a chat about it all first before I started recording).

I haven't listened to the recording yet (just got back very very long day) but I will go over either tonight or tomorrow and it will be put online within the next 48 hours (dependent on how much cleaning up I need to do on the sound.) Be aware in advance that there will be some background noise as we were in a room with other people as well, so you will have to put up with that.

Anyway, just wanted to update you all, it was a very positive experience today and a little spoiler for you, the Earl doesn't think the Phorm system will be deployed at any point in the near future and perhaps not at all, he also feels if BT do deploy it, it would be a very serious mistake.

Back soon,

Alexander Hanff
PS I will probably have a cold or something on event day because I got absolutely SOAKED today in London.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Many thanks Alex.

Go and have a good soak and a glass of something nice.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Great

Thanks Alex


:)

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Good work Alex With the comments made by Northesk and the Police conjures all sorts of actions in BT and Phorm offices on the morrow.Did you not sample the house whisky very good against the cold.

we are again indebted to you .:angel:

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Brilliant news Alex :D I'm very much looking forward to hearing the recorded chat.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Well done Alex and thanks.
Speaking as a BT customer I get the feeling too that BT have gone very very quiet and that these trials are dead in the water. It's just a gut feeling, but they seem to be climbing back into their bunkers.

The list of bad news is just so long,

Caught out by the revelations of Phorm/Kent's past activities
Caught red-handed over the illegal secretive trials and their dishonesty over those affected who suffered actual loss
Caught red handed over the leaked trials technical document and the revelations therein
Caught out by the ICO demanding opt-in
Caught out by their conversations with the ICO becoming public and by their being shown to have been very very economical, in fact downright stingy, with the truth.
Caught by the revelations of their shady dealings with the hosting of the BT Webwise site and Phorm handling the contact page enquiries
Caught with leaky cookies on www.bt.com
Caught passing PII to Phorm
Caught out over dates as to who contacted who when, regarding ICO and HO
Caught out when the FOI request released their useless interstitial page
Caught out when they realised they couldn't use network based opt-in because BT wholesale ran that
Caught out by developments in the USA making them look like the only lonely ISP supporting this technology
Caught out by the anti DPI Anti Phorm Anti-BT Webwise campaign growing rather than fading
Caught out by the Parliamentary interest
Caught out by the police eventually getting the files and knowing that they have to be investigated

Caught like a rabbit in the headlights, stuck in the middle of the fast lane to oblivion, handcuffed to Phorm and unable to run to safety.

and the NebuAd news from over the pond is far far better than we expected a few months ago if El Reg is anything to go by - and they are certainly not the only ones reporting it.

Yes - sleep well tonight Alex. For at least a few minutes...

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Once again, massive thanks to Alex for all his efforts on this - it is hugely appreciated and I very much look forward (as i'm sure we all do) to hearing the recording :)

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Unfortunately I will not be able to review it until tomorrow as the damn voice recorder which clearly states Vista Compatible is not 64Bit Vista Compatible so I have to take it down to the in laws and use their XP machine to pull the file off.

Needless to say I will be returning the device to Argos as soon as I have the file off it. Absolutely shocking that a simple Flash RAM based system is so knackered because of proprietry idiocracy!

Alexander Hanff

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Yet again, thanks for all your stirling work Alex.

Where and when are people meeting for the protest on the 16th? I'm working until 12.00pm but I'm hoping to hop a train and get to London by 1pm just to show my support.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Silk Street entrance to the Barbican. I will be there from about 9:45am - 5pm, speeches between 12-2pm

Alexander Hanff

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

:angel:

:nworthy: Excellent!, especially like the above, I am not much of a football follower but I think an appropriate saying right now would be "Back of the net!". Very much looking forward to the recording, and many thanks from my family and I (though silent here they are following this also).
If you do any editing/noise reduction for speedier download purposes could you still post the original, I am quite keen to have a go at cleaning up the background noise and compression myself. :)

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

What's incompatible? I tried the Olympus support page and there is no software etc for any version of Vista - does the recorder require a driver of some sort or is it just the playback software that doesn't work?

YOu could try this software which is a free file converter and ststes that it works with DSS files - Olympus's proprietory file-type.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Driver issue, as in it doesn't work.

Alexander Hanff

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

i thought you might have problems getting it off the device Alexander as your Linux, but you didnt link to the model no or page, so i couldnt go looking for a linux app to help you pull it off there....

oh well, not to worry we have the US senate NebuAd PDF
Privacy Implications of Online Advertising Wednesday, July 9, 2008
linked here
http://www.dailywireless.org/2008/07...s-ad-tracking/

and i just found the matching Audio/Video stream
http://commerce.senate.gov/public/in...ngs.AudioVideo

these US senate rm streams are real odd though, they sit there for ages recording dead air rather than edit it out to the real start time, one i tested didnt start real streaming until 30 minutes in, and i cant skip forward with the windows port of VLC with these, MPC can, but even that seems to have problems buffering the RM stream, i cant tell you how far to skip it until the real start...

rtsp://video.webcastcenter.com/srs_g2/commerce070908.rm

found it, the second it starts playing in MPC, skip it 15.55 mins in and it will buffer and play the video.

Mr. Robert R. Dykes
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer NebuAd Incorporated starts 33 mins in

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

No this is in Vista. I didn't even try it in Linux as there is literally no way it would work due to the proprietry nature of the product.

Alexander Hanff

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Somebody claims to have found compatible drivers here - can't verify that or speak for the safety of the website though as never used it.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

yeah there is, NDISWrapper might work with the windows driver perhaps....

you do run linux as your main OS now dont you, or did i read you wrong ?

its confirmed that Linux needs a driver for it before you can read the .wav off these Olympus (VN-480PC, or whatever model you have ?) digital voice recorders.
.
http://readlist.com/lists/suse.com/s.../10/51930.html


sure, NDISWrapper is normally for windows network drivers, but it should also work for these too, is there an an xp driver or perhaps better, a seperate NT for it,that might work best in NDISWrapper OC.
http://www.linux.com/articles/40365

lol,chairman asks NebuAd CEO" isnt that just wiretapping" 1hour in, he must have taken lessons with emma ;) we dont.. erm er ... im not a lawyer...

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Sadly they don't work either, in fact they are identical to the drivers that came with the device.

Alexander Hanff

---------- Post added at 02:10 ---------- Previous post was at 02:07 ----------

Actually I currently don't have Linux installed on this machine due to a kernel issues which broke my DVDRW drive in the latest Ubuntu updates. I simply don't have the time to fix it myself with everything going so I made a temporary jump to Vista. But yes ordinarily Linux is my core environment and has been for many many (more than most I expect) years. I suffer windows at the moment purely because of this Phorm campaign.

Alexander Hanff

---------- Post added at 02:18 ---------- Previous post was at 02:10 ----------

Well I just had a listen to the recording (headphones plugged into the voice recorder) from start to finish (1h56m worth of audio). Sadly there is a great deal of background noise which was totally unavoidable, however the conversation can still be heard if people are willing to ignore the background noise. I have a friend who is a sound engineer so if I can get in touch with him in time I can see if he can clean it up (although he is difficult to get hold of nowadays). If anyone is competent at cleaning up audio, please feel free to have a play with the file once I upload if you manage to make any improvements I will replace the original with the cleaner version.

Alexander Hanff

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

thats a shame, theres always the option of booting Slax for a quick liveCD to keep you going ;) add any modules you like OC, and put it on a USB stick as a temp and portable thing...

http://www.slax.org/forum.php?

you should get your head down for a bit anyway after your long day

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

You should be careful when you stick it up on the internet. Remember what happened to the unofficial meeting videos? :P

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

I'll have a go at cleaning the sound up - I have some pretty decent audio apps to play with. (I'm a musician in one of my secret identities)

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

I am in the process of installing VMWare Server to throw XP on so I will see if that works with regards grabbing the file from the recorder and then get back to you.

Alexander Hanff

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

i forgot the simplest things, yea VMserver might work, but http://www.virtualbox.org/ is probably better if not as you can auto assign any USB2 stick or device to that exclusive use, so should work fine for that audio if you have an XP handy to throw on there.

hang on MS let you download a IE6 windows image too i seem to remember, someone here mentioned it i think... so you might not even need to do a virtual CD Image install.

---------- Post added at 03:17 ---------- Previous post was at 03:01 ----------

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...DisplayLang=en

its a VPC image though and i cant remember if that does USB2
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/pro.../overview.mspx

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Google finance page for phorm shares - now only shows two news items (since yesterday) and one of them is Alex's article, May 20th, the other is April 17th, "UK advertising-tech fight shows complexity of privacy battle".

The vertical list of months on the left all show (0) articles except those two months for this year.

Yesterday there were loads of articles.

If I "view all news" there are still only those 2 articles.

What happened to all the others? I have it set to show ALL NEWS.
Can anyone check please?
Why would news articles suddenly disappear?
Of course it leaves Alex's article as 50% of the news coverage on Phorm which can't be a bad thing.

This is the link I have.
http://finance.google.com/finance?q=LON:PHRM

One of the missing Google news items (still on LSE page) is the 500,000 share pledge that Kent made as security for a loan, on 27th July 2007.

I've been keeping an eye on that - here's the math about the value of that pledge.

500,000 shares pledged as security by Kent, for a loan on 27th July 2008 - value on google on that date 2612.5 = £13,062,500

Value of those shares today = £3,750,000

Shortfall compared with date shares were pledged as security = £9,312,500

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Same with me - just two news stories.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

followed a couple of links and got to https://commerce.us.reuters.com/purc...&search=PHOR.L

the report is dated 8/7/08 strange day after that the shares took a dive, not sure if related

but it does say report is produced weekly, but this week we have had all the nebuad stuff so wondering if that was factored into the report and gave it a more negative slant

peter