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OLD BOY 20-06-2026 20:04
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36217822)
Kenyon was 34 years old when he made those remarks. So not young. And the Makerfield electorate were evidently concerned enough not to elect him as their MP.
Not for that reason, though, a little point you missed in your reply.

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Originally Posted by jem (Post 36217823)
Starmer is not exactly Mr. Popular now, and while I don’t necessarily think that ‘call me Andy’ Burnham’s stated policies will add up, he is more popular than Starmer and a better ‘political operator’.

Are you suggesting that Reform supporters, switched to voting Labour just to get someone into Parliament who will oust the current PM?

Surely then it would be better for Reform supporters to have, well, voted Reform, keep Burnham out and ‘lame-duck’ Starmer in place.

Or am I missing some cunning plan here?
Jem, it’s exactly what the voters were saying - they said they would vote for Burnham to get Starmer out.

It makes sense. They hate Starmer up there. He’s not exactly popular in the South, either, is he? If Reform won, it would have no bearing on whether the PM would leave.

Hugh 20-06-2026 21:33
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
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they said they would vote for Burnham to get Starmer out
Again

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Any evidence of this? (besides Tice saying it…)

1andrew1 20-06-2026 22:40
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36217834)
Not for that reason, though, a little point you missed in your reply..
Plenty of them said they could not vote Reform for that very reason.
You need to apply some critical thinking here and not just repeat Reform's latest excuse without at the very least, sense-checking it first.

Paul 20-06-2026 22:49
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36217822)
Kenyon was 34 years old when he made those remarks. So not young
Well that depends on your POV, 34 is young to me these days. ;)

OLD BOY 21-06-2026 09:53
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36217837)
Again
It's what people were saying on the street. Did you not see this on the news?

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36217840)
Plenty of them said they could not vote Reform for that very reason.
You need to apply some critical thinking here and not just repeat Reform's latest excuse without at the very least, sense-checking it first.
No, they did not. I agree that some women said that, but most said they were more concerned with policies than what the Reform candidate said in his younger days.

Hugh 21-06-2026 10:05
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
His "younger days" were in 2021 and 2022 (when he made some the comments about Voderman and abortion…), when he was 36/37…

papa smurf 21-06-2026 10:29
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36217841)
Well that depends on your POV, 34 is young to me these days. ;)
i have 2 children aged 36 and 38 i still see them as my little boys

GrimUpNorth 21-06-2026 18:24
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36217775)
Kemi needs to seize this chance and get some positive headlines. She could start by reshuffling her top team and getting rid of losers such as Cleverly, Atkins and Patel. That would produce headlines and the political commentators would do the rest.
I doubt the headlines would be positive, they'd more likely be about her very poor judgement in appointing them in the first place, and how she's wasted 2 years on a bunch of losers and is only getting rid of them now in desperation (probably too little too late to be honest with you).

There is a positive however, you surely can't be the only party member who can see she's not very good when it comes selecting people for the top jobs. The rest of us saw that when she took over and saw her top team for the losers they are way back then. There's hope for you yet my friend ;).

Sephiroth 21-06-2026 18:43
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
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Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth (Post 36217883)
I doubt the headlines would be positive, they'd more likely be about her very poor judgement in appointing them in the first place, and how she's wasted 2 years on a bunch of losers and is only getting rid of them now in desperation (probably too little too late to be honest with you).

There is a positive however, you surely can't be the only party member who can see she's not very good when it comes selecting people for the top jobs. The rest of us saw that when she took over and saw her top team for the losers they are way back then. There's hope for you yet my friend ;).
There's much worth in what you say. However, my take is that when she made her appointments, she was vulnerable to the bad will of the people she defeated for the leadership. So she appointed them.

But yes - they should have been dumped by now, especially when the Chagos stuff was the top headline.

GrimUpNorth 21-06-2026 19:50
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36217884)
There's much worth in what you say. However, my take is that when she made her appointments, she was vulnerable to the bad will of the people she defeated for the leadership. So she appointed them.

But yes - they should have been dumped by now, especially when the Chagos stuff was the top headline.
You need an Andy, but certainly not a Nigel.


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