Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 

A cheap shot unworthy of someone who styles themselves as an ideas man. Also, wilfully ignorant of the historical resources widely available to it. Our own country’s last existential struggle is still, just, within living memory. Perhaps you should spend some time considering that and thinking about Ukraine’s position on its own terms, instead of insisting on seeing everything through the lens of your seething hatred of America.

Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 

Got rid of a horrid dictator and his sons... yes the price was high ... note the first Gulf war.

Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 

If you took all the above to be true - and I'm not sure being a Russian-speaker makes someone Russian - would that be sufficient justification in your book for Russia to invade Ukraine?

Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 

I’m sorry, Jaymoss, but if you are seriously bringing religion into this to justify your argument, just don’t’nbother.

We have seen enough evidence of Russian cruelty in this conflict to know that Putin has not got an an ounce of humanity in him. No religious scriptures can excuse him for what he has done. He has invaded his neighbour. That is not on - Ukraine was no threat to him.

Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 

You should have gone to Specsavers
Chris tried to drag me into it and as you would have seen if you could read I refused to engage

You see the bit where I clearly state that "I am leaving God out of my discussions on the forum"

Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 

I fail to see how it's a cheap shot when it perfectly sums up the tone of your post.

As for the Ukraine's position on it's own terms I'm intrigued at how you claim I've dismissed it when you so enthusiastically encompass it exclusively (but unsurprisingly) within American imperialist rhetoric seeking unattainable and unrealistic objectives.

The lessons have not been learned of Iraq or Afghanistan, and we have the latest front line in the battle to reverse increasingly diminishing American (and by proxy British) relevance on a global stage.

I have considered the Ukrainian position and a conscript army funded by US dollars sacrificed to prevent even minimal westward expansion of Russia seems somewhat an undesirable outcome. Widows and children living perpetually as refugees in foreign lands is equally an undesirable outcome. There is no rationale to be absolutely uncompromising, in particular around the already disputed regions which they have denied self-determination to, unless it is being fought on American terms.

I don't have a seething hatred for America, however I simply will not sit here as a keyboard cheerleader as America bankroll another generation of another country fight itself out of existence without questioning what benefit - if any - there will be for them in the long run. This has been a proxy war from the start - hence the decision to separate men of fighting age from women and children with the latter bizarrely welcomed all around Europe despite a supposed migrant crisis.

Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 

Then why mention God in the first place? He has nothing to do with Putin’s deranged invasion of Ukraine and the murder and rape of its civilians. That’s down to free will, if I read correctly the usual religious apologies for the madness that carries on in this world.

As for whether God even exists and allows all this to happen, well that’s a different story and for another thread, which I will probably avoid like the plague.

Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 

Dude you have said more about God than I have. I was getting pushed into it by Chris to which I refused to engage. Nothing to see here

pretty sure you would not avoid it as from what I see you like to stir a turd here and there

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Actually, you are the one who first mentioned God. Almost as if he was your secret weapon if anyone disagreed with you.

However, I’m sure that everyone on here will be pleased that you agree we should leave Him out of it.

Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 

Yawn if I did it was just to say I was not gonna discuss it so get off my case

Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 

It's Ukraine's choice to fight. Their concern isn't that America is funding them but they're not funding them enough.

The ultimate conclusion of your argument is America should stop funding Ukraine so they're forced to surrender on Russian terms and you're trying to portray this as a position of concern.

Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 

Thanks … it wouldn’t show up on my browser, I thought it didn’t work. I’ve put it back now.

Incidentally - there’s a certain etiquette about replying to posts that were then deleted. I can also restore my reply to the post you made and removed earlier this afternoon if you like?

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I replied to it before I saw it was deleted as I guess yours was. I did not see the Gif and still can not I traced the url

Still do not see you fessing up.

I guess I will end up in trouble if this continues I guess I best shut up now

Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 

It doesnt show up for me either, so Ive removed it as the post just looks blank.

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Good plan.

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I think its time this got back to the subject instead of pot shots and pointless arguments with each other.

Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 

France taking a hard line position now! Maybe Macron's visit to Ukraine has persuaded him.

From Sophie Pedder, Paris Bureau Chief at The Economist.
https://twitter.com/PedderSophie/sta...36753480146945