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Think of it as a credit check. You only conduct them when someone asks for credit.

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Why on earth should the EU be allowed to control something as simple as a private individual sending a parcel from GB to NI. Just crazy.
The problems are from what the EU insists the restrictions should be via the Joint Committee.
IIRC the supermarkets weren't anticipating any problems, so the the issue can't be in the NI protocol itself, but what the EU dictates in the Joint Committee. All that has to happen is the EU tosses aside all the nasty restrictions in the Joint committee. There is no other solution.
Why is it ok for the EU to be able to ship unapproved items(including parcels) to GB via NI unfettered by any restrictions, but GB not ship things to NI? Unbelievably one-sided and unreasonable, then that's the EU for you.:mad:
Imagine the situation where X & Y are getting divorced, but X can do anything they want, but Y can only do anything, if and only if X agrees. On which planet would a court not dismiss that arrangement as being unfair and unreasonable?

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In your opinion.

If you have a credible international source to demonstrate that the UK’s reputation globally as a place to do business has suffered materially, please share it. Such indices do exist. I’m sure you won’t have any trouble.

As regards “specific and limited” - as you continue to carefully ignore, it was crafted to produce precisely the reaction that it got. Only super-triggered remainers are still wailing about it.

And as for good will: clearly you still haven’t worked out what’s actually happening here, despite it having helpfully been spelt out multiple times. Whether you agree with them or not, the UK government is not seriously seeking a renegotiation and doesn’t particularly need the EU’s good will. It believes that the current arrangements are an unacceptable infringement of sovereignty and that in the long run history will agree. It further believes that such interference in the internal affairs of a sovereign state is somewhere France and Germany will not go, once it is forcefully presented in those terms internationally (the EU apparatchiks, left to themselves, most likely would do so). Further still, the rest of the trade agreement is bedding in nicely and the flow of goods is near normal. If the EU attempts to suspend the agreement it will be responsible for bringing all that down. Lest we forget, there is a general election in Germany in September and in France next year.

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It's like getting a parking ticket because one of your wheels touches the white line around your space. Yes that breaks the rules, you "should" get a ticket but if its say an arbitrary line next to a wall with no real space remaining and there is a big SUV on the other side that would block your exit (i.e. it's not causing anyone a problem) common sense would dictate not to bother.


The rules are there to try to stop stuff crossing into the EU that the EU doesn't want or wants to "tax" on entry and visa versa. Is there evidence of industries getting ready to do that and use the island of Ireland as a conduit? They should just let people get on with being people, let goods flow as they have always done, you should be able to spot outliers indicating something odd happening and deal with that. People on either side of the border travelling to buy stuff at better prices really isn't going to hurt either economy and the cost of policing would likely outweigh any income you'd gain.

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Even with all the nonsense from the EU and Ireland(who are the main drivers of it), people and businesses would be able to freely move items from the cheaper side of the border. If an item is cheaper in NI, there is nothing to stop somebody moving it to Ireland and selling it. The only thing that would prevent that, is if the item in NI was made artificially more expensive by having a load of nonsense rules applied to it, and guess what is going on.:rolleyes:

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Sounds more like Nationalism than patriotism - Papa must have used you to calibrate his radar… ;)

I think this sums it up….

Nationalism is a zero-sum game, where the only way to feel better is to show that others are worse, whereas Patriotism is being proud of your country whilst acknowledging it’s successes and it’s faults, and understanding that other countries feel the same way.

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I've been giving some thought to the issues of trades and border control (retired, too much time on my hands, you know the story)

Anyway, what we need to do is get rid of all the incompetent nut jobs in Whitehall and put it into the hands of the real experts, the ones who seem to have little or no problem at all getting drugs, guns and people from one country to another :D

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It's kind of like virtual signalling then on a countrywide scale

I thought you were going to come out with the uber capitalist mantra of privatisation where the only ones they're interested in saving money for or earning it for are themselves but I like this idea, poachers make the best game keepers, it'll tackle the crime rate at the same time

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Says something when you have to look up the definition of patriotism on the internet:dozey:

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Says something when you think that’s what I did…. :dozey:

I looked up a suitable example to contrast nationalism and patriotism for others (as some people seem to confuse/conflate the two), and then put my own interpretation at the beginning and the end of the post.

I’m not the one accusing others of being less than patriotic just because they don’t agree with me…

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V.amusing you accusing someone of binary thinking…

Oh, the strong, hard magnetic silvery-grey metal, atomic number 26y :D

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To my mind, leaving the EU was simply in our best interests. Nothing to do with patriotism or nationalism.

However, what is clear to us all by now is that the people who constantly side with the EU rather than the UK are certainly not patriots - they are wreckers. They want to see this country come to harm, and simply because that will give them a better platform to diss the government come the next election with the hope that will bring Labour back to power.

That, I’m afraid, is the enormity of the desperation they face post-Corbyn.

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Bozo and his chums don't need any help wrecking anything, it's about the only thing they're any good at, that and cheating on partners, filling their and their chums/ donors boots with public money, being racist can't believe Jacob Rees Smugg earlier warning of the yellow peril and if the opposition were up to anything they'd be all over it but Sir Kier would rather self isolate that tackle this stuff, still we get the politicians we deserve