Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

yeah well some ppl don`t understand that but we do learn as we go along on our way through life I think..:angel:

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

you could always profile it and tag the 10 most common words and categorise them at the bottom of the email:angel:

that would be amusing

now what category would you put the words BT, Privacy, phorm and webwise into, (apart from obviously not in the same sentence)

answers on a post WITHOUT triggering the forum swear filter

peter

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

This is the same attitude displayed by US telco's in the net neutrality debate, they don't like that a free market will always work to reduce monopoly to commodity. The carriers see money in providing content and in what Google does so it's definitely a background issue.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

How does a smiley mitigate what you suggested?I saw no joke either...and IF I missed the joke so can others...

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

perhaps something like this can help that ? anyone!...
http://www.rebol.org/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/rebol/search.r?find=https+tunnel&form=yes
an HTTP/HTTPS handler that transparently supports cookies

---------- Post added at 20:39 ---------- Previous post was at 20:33 ----------

http://www.rebol.org/cgi-bin/cgiwrap...script=proxy.r

REBOL [
Title: "REBOL HTTP Proxy"
Date: 13-Jul-2001
Name: "Proxy Server"
Version: 1.0.0
File: %proxy.r
Author: "Sterling Newton"
Purpose: {This script serves many purposes.
1. Act as an HTTP proxy
2. See what your browser sends out as an HTTP request
3. Add data filters to remove Javascript pop-up windows,
remove banner ads, and more...
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to enable JavaScript popup window death!!}
History: {
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http://musiclessonz.com/rebol_tutorial.html#section-25

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Hi Guys,

Bit of background, I'm a BT employee and shareholder.

Just like to point out that within BT practically everyone who gets to know about webwise hates it too. It came as much of a suprise to us as it did you.Clearly the business cases doesnt stand up, so this is what I think happened. I have no direct evidence for this, just a gut feel and it seems to fit the facts, so make of it what you will.

This is what i think happened....

Phorm approached Statis Scleparis (excuse spelling), saying we can offer you this fantastic product, and also give you a highly paid job with us if you sign up to it. Stratis signs up, making sure as few people know as possible, and at first glance the product though it looks somewhat dodgy, isn't actually illegal (according to phorm) so why not sign up and take the cash? Of course the business case can't work if people know about it, so hush hush for a couple of years - which is why practically no one in BT knew about it. Not many people still know even know in a hands-on sense, as its my understanding that phorm are doing all the work, rather than BT people.

However the wheels are coming off the wagon. the more people know, the worse its getting, the campaign far from dieing away, instead is gathering pace as people come on board. Keep going guys, as every bit of publicity helps. You are steadily sending phorm to its death by a thousand cuts.

Remember the shareholders and BT employees that do know about it are on your side. (Apart from a handful of exceptions, and i suspect that privately they hate it too but have no choice). Most employees dont know any more than the general population, so when they plead ignorance, its true!

Finally, a suggestion for you all. In the publicity, emphasise WEBWISE, rather
than phorm. If the product is launched, then people will want to know "Should i sign up to webwise" - make sure thats near the top of any google searches. Phorm won't be on their radar, as its almost certainly not going to be mentioned on the sign-up screen.

Good luck with protest. I shall be there is spirit.

Anon.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

:welcome:
HaveToBeAnon

look forward to lots of informative posts from you and your friends when you tell them to come here and join in ;)

remember,if you cant make it to the protest, you can still make your 30 second video or Audio protest with pictures (to stay anon OC) and link it into Alexanders NoDPI YouTube page...

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Welcome aboard. Great to hear what you have to say. Any tips for us about inreasing awareness?

Now that BT have an 0808 free broadband support number maybe all of us should ring at least twice a day to make more employees aware although I suppose they won't work for BT. (I got a UK one today but forgot to ask him about phorm/Webwise - sorry!)

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Something that someone here might find useful?

http://www.pledgebank.com/

I haven't worked out what we might do with it yet. Ideas?

Hank

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

I am certain most of what you say is possibly not far from the truth. As an ex BT employee with a technical background I certainly empathise with your feelings. Working for BT can be a very blinkering experience for most and it would not surprise me if only a handful of employees knew anything about Phorm/WebWise for quite a long time. Anyhow keep your head down and spread the word that we always will welcome information good to the cause.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Another question which will no doubt join the long long list of BT SUQ's (Significantly Unanswered Questions)

What proportion of BT employees have been given a staff briefing paper on the Webwise project and the tie-up with Phorm? (percentage and absolute numbers helpful)

What proportion of those BT employees who have been fully briefed on Webwise, are in favour? (percentage and absolute numbers please)

Could the relevant union possibly conduct a survey?
Any BT employees in main union asked the union for information about such a survey? After all - Webwise is materially damaging BT's reputation more and more each day.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

we already done the webwise thing way way back in the threads if one googles webwise the first thing that pops up is the BBC webwise not bt so poeple will really be confused.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Breaking news on El Reg:

Aaargh beaten again !

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

The only Phorm/ISP product is "BT Webwise" and typing that puts it top of the list.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

As another ex BT employee, I can add to the other comments that there will be intense pressure for those who are aiming to deliver the Webwise system to have it in trial by the time of the shareholders meeting so that the senior management can announce it's launched.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Well we dare them to do it!

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Peter, think for a min most if not all casual net users would simple google Webwise and when they do, up top is the BBC webwise, due to human nature they will not think there be more than one would they, bit like typing in ford and not the model and then ford, how many know how yo use google to narrow a search down.
we got too look after the not so clever net users they the ones who will be mislead not the likes of you and me. :angel:

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if it fails they wont be looking good at the meeting will they with bad news

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

I think to get the best chance of better targeted ranking in Google we all should write WebWise/Phorm in that specific order whenever we mention it.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Yes I know BBC webwise comes first as it has been around much longer and is there to help those who are inexperienced with IT and is used in schools with children.. Kent selected a name he knew would give an air of respectability to the con...... yes he is conning BT shame Ian and Emma are too blind to see....

Well lets try to get more mentions of webwise.....

---------- Post added at 23:09 ---------- Previous post was at 23:06 ----------

In sixth place
maybe searching it and clicking on the ones we ned nearer the top will move it up...

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

I've just overhauled Dephormation.org.uk ...

If we're in for a long haul, it might as well look cool. :cool: If things aren't sorted by the AGM, I'll put an SSL cert on the site to ease the FF3 pain.

So if you have a moment to spare, please let me know if you spot broken links. And if you're on BT corporate network, and you see a 'banned IP range' message please let me know. There is an, err, bug that may cause that to happen. I can't understand why at this moment, but will be up all night trying to fix it for you. :dozey:

Right, I'm off to bed for a sound night's sleep. Goodnight all.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

I think (no really, I do it sometimes) that most casual net users will not even be looking up Webwise for any reason - BBC, BT, Phorm or any of the several thousand other companies and organisations using "webwise" or "web wise" in their product name or description.

Those looking up "Webwise" in relation to this issue will also look for Phorm as that is by far a higher profile word but even then it will hardly be a casual search.

It would be nice though to see this issue appear on the forst page of a Google search for spyware, security or other common search terms.

It is important to use all of the important phrases in these discussions and those familiar with the BT forums may remember that I asked members to include more references to Webwise to ensure that forum visitors are aware of the connection if and when the invitations to the trial are sent out. Bear in mind that the Webwise discussion thread is in the main section of the BT forum and there are a lot more people there posting across a number of forums and subjects related to BT who are likley to see the information.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

In a nutshell Google does do this to some extent. Google sees search terms and it sees results. If people click on certain results more than others for certain search terms, it means extra traffic goes to that site in question and it is deemed more important relatively speaking in that search result.

It effectively gets more Google brownie points for for the next search result using them terms. It does not happen immediately but that is how sudden popular newsworthy sites can go to high in the Google rankings literally overnight.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

so we need to google webwise and anti webwise to get the anti up top?

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

well if we are in for a long fight maybe this wil help some keep track of information..

http://www.fusiondesk.com/products/starter.html

Get it while it is free...

---------- Post added at 23:52 ---------- Previous post was at 23:51 ----------

google anti, webwise and BBC vanishes and VM arrives.. think that is us guys and this thread :D

---------- Post added at 23:53 ---------- Previous post was at 23:52 ----------

google webwise and BBC is top..

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Phorm also have this website http://www.webwise.com/ where their system is just called Webwise

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Google keep their systems a well gaurded secret but a couple oif things are known.

They rate according to the number of searches and clicks a site gets along with - and probably more importantly - the number of sites that link to the site in question. This second criteria is what ensures that a search for Ford gets Ford Motor Company at the top of the list event if Harrison Ford makes another Indianna Jones movie.

There is also an "x" factor that Google will not reveal and which they say is regularly changed.

It's in the nature of this forum to contain hundreds of links off-site and only a few internal links while other sites like The Register will rarely lonj back to this one. It's because of this that forums discussing external matters (as opposed to, say a TV manufacturer's forum) very rarely rise in the Google placings.

It is extremely unlikely that you can promote a forum in this way but you may get some results by always visiting this forum thread via a Google search rather than coming here directly or via a bookmark. Even then I suspect that it will not make enough difference as you would have to be searching for "Phorm" or "Webwise" everytime and I suspect that there simply aren't enough hours in the day to make it possible.

Also bear in mind that Google is known to contain routines specifically designed to prevent this sort of rank-jumping.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

While you are all busy thinking about boosting searches for Webwise - don't forget to put in a webwise link to http://www.phonecallsuk.co.uk/bt-webwise.html. Still doing well at #5 for 'BT Webwise' - so, if you already have a link, please leave it as it is to help keep that position. Let me know if there are any other anti-webwise sites written that are not yet linked to.

Logs are showing a lot of hits from "User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1)" without a referrer and no request for non html content on the page - any ideas who it could be? IP address changes although sometimes 3 or 4 requests (GET and HEAD)

It is really hard to get a boost for positions on one word searches when there are a few high PR domain names containing that word within their URLs.

The majority of people searching about BT Webwise are unlikely to look beyond the links provided on the pop-up page that shows that they are already infected by the browser hijack.

If anyone gets to see the Webwise welcome page: please take a screen dump as that image is what needs to get out into the popular press with a warning about the browser hijack.

BTW - has anyone written a site that outlines the effect of webwise/phorm/oix on websites that are also e-commerce sites, excluding the brands that will be advertising through their ad networks on the OIX? - even if only mom & pop sites that are hosting a few affiliate ads to help pay for the hosting and the summer holidays.
If not, I want to do so over the next few days as a reference point for some promotions I am planing.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

That's AVG (the windows antivirus thing) as discussed the other day. I think Grisoft have now decided to fix their product. In the interim, there's a few mod rewrite rules knocking about to redirect it if it's causing you problems.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Good idea.

(I copied here and used bold cos I think it's a strong point that could be lost in the middle of the other text)

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Just distorting visitor numbers - about 5:6 visitors are not real then. Would be nice to have the referrer included so that the search terms the page ranks on can be seen. Even google.ru is sending visitors so I suspect some blackhat may affect rankings soon. Looking through search terms, looks like some interesting searches are bringing the visitors.

People are looking for ways to block the tracking. Others are looking for info on the advertising.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

That's why I said "Phorm/ISP product".

No doubt any other ISPs would want to use their own name but for the moment using "BT Webwise" or "Phorm" in discussions will get those casual users the best chance of getting a relevant hit than "Webwise" which always brings up BBC websites on the first page.

To my mind the Google rankings are far less important than getting people to understand the association between Phorm - who they are likely to heard of - with the anti-phishing tool that they will be offered under the name of BT Webwise.

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Out of interest you may want to see the info and opt-in/out page that was being used by Masillion Cable in America (the latest company to put a Phorm-like system on hold).

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

That sounds and looks like the BT Interstitial Page watt you can see Here

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Any reason why you still have
[img]Download Failed (1)[/img]

and not something like

[img]Download Failed (1)[/img]

There's plenty to chose from on http://www.spreadfirefox.com/?q=affiliates/homepage

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

I can help you with that Madslug... You've got my contact info.
Pete

---------- Post added at 08:31 ---------- Previous post was at 08:27 ----------

I'll get there. The coding behind that update took a little longer than expected. Have you seen the backgrounds? That took some cunning coding.

Never mind the quality, feel the aspect ratio. :D

I'll update the text next. I've got lots to add, particularly FoI.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Don't forget to post your thoughts on the 'data pimping' on el reg.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

good to see the first trade of the day on phorm is a nice sell of 3000 shares and took the price down again :)

might even go below 900 today, even better

peter

---------- Post added at 09:25 ---------- Previous post was at 08:56 ----------

hot off the press from the stock exchange site

Bid Offer Volume High Low Last Close
850.00 925.00 6,500 912.50 887.50 937.50 on 07-Jul-2008

mid price now 887.5

yippee happy days are here again, phorm below 900

lowest price to date i believe, where is hammy? is his wheel turned into a water wheel yet where he is crying over his investment :P

peter

---------- Post added at 09:37 ---------- Previous post was at 09:25 ----------

free fall

As at 08-Jul-2008 9:20:38
862.500 -75.00 -8.00%

---------- Post added at 09:45 ---------- Previous post was at 09:37 ----------

off the edge??

As at 08-Jul-2008 9:29:44
850.000 -87.50 -9.33%

---------- Post added at 09:52 ---------- Previous post was at 09:45 ----------

going down anyone??

As at 08-Jul-2008 9:36:06
837.500 -100.00 -10.67%

anyone got any idea why the sudden fall??

im happy but curious for the reason

peter

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Maybe they realised it was like the titanic and going all the way this time so jumping ship for lifeboats while they can....

Mind would love to think my post on BT beta forums helped :rofl: BT AGM is only a week off and well if Phorm is still dead then would say it will stay dead shareholders will have their say and Ian and Emma will have to listen they have brought BT onto the verge of disrepute they need to walk the line and not fall foul...

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Hi, I think that this fall is almost certainly due to the general economic situation at the moment. The media is full of "recession" this morning with the building industry being particularly badly hit, we are all in for a rough time for a while but hopefully it will be worse for you know who!

Keep up the good work everybody!

Dave.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Possibly the frontporch pull out news caused the drop.


or maybe just maybe BT are pulling out..

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

maybe Hammy had a dump (whoops ,of shares of course)

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Great opportunity to top up - my paw poised over the buy button....

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Yeah sure you are.

[Admin Edit: Spoiler tag removed- Do not use spoiler tags incorrectly.]

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

You buying with your money or using shares to get loans could be dodgy business especially if it flops then you will have to go out to work and do a proper job like normal people. :D

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

The team are watching and infractions will be issued if the school yard behaviour continues.

Spoiler tags are not to be used for anything other than 'Spoiler' material'. Incorrect usage will result in infraction warnings being issued.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

next stop bargain basement

As at 08-Jul-2008 10:07:51
800.000 -137.50 -14.67%

from http://www.londonstockexchange.com/e...%20B1WTNC4PHRM

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

one thing about shares the whole world market is in a down ward spin, and the people have no spare cash to buy stuff any more so any adverts would be total waste.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7494508.stm proof of the markets they be shifting there moneys about to more stable shares what do give results like oil.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

jesus, what is happening ?

As at 08-Jul-2008 10:28:53
762.500 -175.00 -18.67%

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

iii sector heat map for today tells a nice story :)

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Expect the news guys... something is up...

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

yeah it`s called a credit crunch heading into recession read the news.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

The adverts will still be there, together with 3 for the price of 2 offers as everyone tries to maintain their trading volumes and use loss leaders to hide price increases.
With a hint of an upturn in the economy, advertising real estate will be at a premium as everyone tries to get their turnover above the break even point.

The way I see it, the only winners in this debate are the holders of the advertising real estate. As the majority of those are adult content related (TV and Internet - when was the last time you saw multiple branded ads before kiddie TV shows) it may just help to bring advertising back to the most popular visual media hosted within the average household.
Cable companies have been targeting ads to their audiences for years, based on the shows viewed by the household. At least they are not using 3rd party data to form a profile so this form of targeting may continue under the radar.

With loss of privacy over the internet, internet sales will only go one way with branded websites turning themselves into flashy brochures to avoid having any content which can be stolen by the profiles.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

So how does that explain Phorm being the worst performing shares in their sector?

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

The market in general is down but only by ~ 3%. Phorm has dropped by 6 times that.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

what they selling ? have they even got any sales and money coming in?

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

I fear the actions by ISPs over the pond and the fact that there is plenty anti phorm an little pro phorm info available .cats bags Etc.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

watch the price of oil go up and metals.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Make that 10 times that. :)

Phorm Inc.
(Public, LON:PHRM)

650.00
-287.50 (-30.67%)
Delayed: 10:48AM BST Open: 912.50

OB

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Hamsterwheel if you really are an investor you seriously have your finger on the wrong button, personally even if I had no interest in this ongoing topic and phorm were whiter than white with all the best intentions, I would have ditched them long before now.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Buy, Buy is a typo - it's spelt: Bye-Bye

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

So, based on the share's performance recently..

How much money do we reckon Kent's lost in the last few days?

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Let us stil not lose sight of our goal here and regardless ov if phorm servives to fight another day or folds into oblivion, we still have an agenda, BT AGM still needs to be sorted. BT need to own up to the errors apologize and reimburse those they illegaly phormed. Then as customers/shareholders there needs to be assurqancies that this will never happen again, this is a must.

BT should withdraw all bonus payments to those managers that broght the company intoi disrepute, those who possibly/maybe/could have(not saying they did but just ) took some form of gift to bring phorm into the network..

Managers have to be made accountable, high bonuses cannot be given for failure or almost bringing the company to its knees...

Let the fight commence we need answers and the we don't know will not be good enough since they had customers calling and have a leaked report that shows they knew a percentage did contact. If they still say they don't know then some form of recompence needs to be given to all customers who were with BT at the time a more costly way but it needs to be done, Shareholders dont get that much from BT shares for us they pay the worst divi. Seem sprofits go to managers first updating networks second and shareholders third.. On present form managment do not deserver first cut perhaps last cut is more in line with their integrity...

Trust guys without it you are worth nothing...

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

it really does ;)

and if you look at the best performer thats guess what another advertiser in another country.... :grin:

http://www.iii.co.uk/investment/deta...n:CGHL.L&it=le

a little background from that page..

"RNS Number : 8638X Cosmedia Group Holdings Limited 30 June 2008
Cosmedia Group Holdings Limited
The AIM Listed Chinese Media Group
Announces Appointment of Executive Director Cosmedia Group Holdings Limited ("Cosmedia" or the "Company"), the holding company of an advertising and media group ("Cosmedia Group") with a focus on home shopping and television advertising in China, is pleased to announce the appointment of Mr. Berry Kwock to the Board of Cosmedia as an Executive Director, with effect from 27 June 2008. Mr. Kwock will continue to service concurrently in his current role of Group Company Secretary. He was originally the Group Chief Financial Officer of the Cosmedia Group.
"

it seems Phorm is not the darling advertising company today, everyone likes the chinese Ad company markets instead....(while its got a low price at least).

perhaps if HW didnt click that buy above like he said, just before it fell down yet again...., he might have enough left to buy some chinese (chicken) stock, poor lad.... dont loose your shirt HW.

are they now looking to make china the new ad growth market?, all the recent talk seems to be when it expands there etc.

however, IF you bothered to look at some of the chinese laws (and some of them date back centrys unappealed) then even china might be a slight longer term problem if a large wad of the generated cash doesnt stay in china, I.e not payed to the external investors.....

and thats before anyone even happens to chat with the chinese universities were a lot of the law is disseminated, about this new DPI and how it can effect peoples lives....

i do know Mr wong down the local shop, isnt happy with this DPI for profit with no cash returned to the people they are gathering all this money generating data from, and he seems to be in contact with his Many contacts back home informing them to be on the lookout.... or something like that ;)

BTW HW, the European Commission Decision 2008/411/EC harmonising the 3.5 GHz band, makes Wimax in all the area's ,one of the far better investments, theres time to buy Wimax stock, 'you got to be in it to win it' as someone said sometime, transfer your Phorm stock to this quick and you may keep your shirt ;)

will BT executives Tap Alexanders sholder at the Protest and ask to announce their dropping it after all ;) ,now that would take alexander by suprise ;)

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Wow caught up. I am back folks.

Sorry for being quiet the last couple of days I was totally burnt out and needed to get some rest (big week ahead). Look at the share price what a joy.

OK I have to go out and pick up the digital voice recorder I got from Argos ready for the meeting with the Earl of Northesk tomorrow. He has given permission for me to record it so it will go on the NoDPI web site as soon as I get back from London.

I got my T-Shirt too, very fast delivery.

Alexander Hanff

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Somone posted me a message saying they couldn't access the spreadshirt shop. Sorry but I can't find the original message so I will post my reply here. If you are having problems accessing the NoDPI spreadshirt url, try this one instead:

http://375824.spreadshirt.net/en/GB/Shop

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you not got one for the Earl of Northesk ;);)

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make sure you stress test it tonight for the 2 hours plus to make sure it does hold that at the highest (at least 192)recording setting, 64Mbit ram isnt a lot if its the first one found in argos, and get some spare rechargables to take along just incase ;)

http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Produc...DICTAPHONE.htm

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For maximum battery life, use non-rechargables alkalines - not as eco-friendly but they last much longer. If you use rechargables get the highest mAh rating you can find and get them fully charged before using them the first time.

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peter n

how come your dog (minky i think ) is looking so sad?

you banned her from the protest? so she cant get some prime BT exec rump? or is it you have had to get her jabs updated just in case she gets a bit of Kents rump?

peter

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Actually buy some of the new lithium batteries

Kymmy

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EDIT: OT so removed

Must be something we don't know about hammering the stock down like this.

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Looks like the Wheels fell orf:D

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That photo was taken in a pub near Weston-Super-Mare where we go camping and she'd been swimming in the sea, run herself ragged on the beach and then drank half a pint of Butcombe Gold so I reckon she was in about the same state as I am at about 11pm on a Friday. (Not on half a pint - obviously ;))

I just remembered - here's a "before" photo... and yes, her ears really are that big!

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...8/07/2.jpg?v=0

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

How many people are actually going to the protest? I'm afraid I can't make it in person as I'll be in Scotland on business. I'll do what I can (putting together a youtube vid and signed the e-pettition ages ago) and I'm know we have a lot of support from others. However, I'm slightly worried that we won't get enough people present to make an impact. Hopefully you'll all prove my concerns to be unfounded.

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i can't make it as i am in derby, dealing with citrix servers and WANS

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I see the thread is now more concerned with dog appreciation (cue jokes about Phorm) but to drag it back on topic.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7494988.stm

So all of you who said that people's browsers sorted out phishing attacks will have to think again. Half of them are way out of date and prone to all sorts of hacking and phishing attempts. Webwise will save the day !

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Oh Hammy admit defeat love that is those who never update most would never accept your adverts either they are the ones who are mainly on well lets say scared to have them auto update.

Auto update is soooo simple it makes phorm look complicated to find all the answers from the double talk and spin, tranparency(stealth) and bull brown stuff...

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so your saying webwise will now look at https Phishing sites ?

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hi hammy, hows the water wheel??

hammy that was i think you will find a world wide survey, one phing you may have missed is the fact BT bundle Nortons internet security suite with every sale of broadband package (would not touch it myself, norton i shudder to think of it on my pc's) and that has a very good phishing filter in it for non techies

and the phishing filter attempt was only added to try and sidestep PERC reg, shame you forgot about ripa, dpa, copyright laws, consumer rights etc etc

hows your shares today, down nearly 20% i see

PHORM REG S | Currency GBX
All data delayed by at least 15 minutes

As at 08-Jul-2008 14:01:34
762.500 -175.00 -18.67%

peter

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peter n pm'ed you

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I'll be there. I look forward to meeting others. Think hard about cancelling appointments for that day, if you value the right to communicate freely.

If intercepting port 80 traffic is ok, why not other data traffic? Like email. If intercepting data is ok, why not VOIP? If VOIP, why not phone calls? If phone calls, obviously mobiles too.

This is the first step to a time & place where you cannot expect any form of private communication.

Phorm must be stopped.

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Be encouraged - one or two BT employees beginning to turn up on BT Beta forums BT Webwise thread - which they are allowed to browse at work (not allowed on non BT sites) - including call centre employees.

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I'll try to make it - no promises, but I've gotta come from Edinburgh with 3 kids!

Depends what travel deals I get in the next day or so - so fingers crossed :D

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Think some will have struggle due to costs and travel times, I have tried for train deals jsut none for me then the appointment for hospital arrived so that threw me out altogether. My contribution is to put someone of trust to deal as proxy shareholder to aid the fight from withing also others who are shareholders are now joining the fight.

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Yeah the costs are high, and then add the cost of feeding etc - but I'm trying not to let it stop us!!

The kids have made some banners (lets hope it dosn't rain) :angel:

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I'm coming, just browsing around for something to do in the evening, might as well make a day of it. Anyone got a suggestion for a sixties folk addict/ ancient rocker?

I do like this chart today
http://finance.google.com/finance?q=LON:PHRM

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Got 6/7 seater going from Reading Berks am disabled so dont pay London Charge and Barbican parking is free for blue badge holders got empty seats PM me if you wish to go.got Tom Tom so cant get lost.

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make sure you update its maps , road works near barbican one way

i normally beat our salesman to appointments where they need techies i refuse to have a sat nav, have enough of the old woman in doors telling where to go, with out one in the car as well :angel:

i use streetmmap and my nose, seem to do alright with that

peter

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Tarquin, thats great thanks for doing that. Anyone else who is travelling by car etc. if you want to offer a seat it might be an idea to post in this thread. I would warn though (and no disrespect here to anyone) if you are travelling alone I wouldn't recommend picking someone up you don't know for safety reasons; however if you are going with a friend or partner and have a spare seat it would be a much safer situation.

Alexander Hanff

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last time I was there was as junior QS when built in 67

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Woah what happened to my rep? it was only half that at the beginning of the weekend and I haven't had any notifications of rep added.

Anyway I have a lot to do so I will get back to you all tonight.

Alexander Hanff

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:notopic: but see the website announcements vb3.7 thread. A forum software upgrade has revised the rep counters. Will probably change again as it needs to be reset.

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You only live once - http://www.ronniescotts.co.uk/perfor...nce-blanchard/

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Phone for directions when you reach Glasgow ;)

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take the ferry :erm:

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If I could be there I would. Unfortunately it's just not possible if I want to keep my job! You guys and gals will have to represent me. Do me proud!

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Likewise.

I'm away on holiday from Saturday so I won't even know how it all went until next weekend but you all have my best wishes and thanks.

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An idea just occurred to me. Currently, if you put your details into the form below, I've got a script which writes a basic complaint letter to post to your MP...

http://www.dephormation.org.uk/letters/

I could probably do something similar for a Data Protection Act Section 11 instruction to a given telco data controller (eg, enter your name, address, select telco from a drop down list BT/Virgin/TalkTalk, click generate, and print).

Can anyone oblige with the data controller name and address details for BT/Virgin/TalkTalk?

Pete.

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How can you find out what personal information we hold about you?

If you want to know what personal information we hold about you, please write to the following address, enclosing a cheque for the administration fee of £10 made payable to British Telecommunications plc:
Data Subject Access Manager
PP LF11, Libra House
Sunrise Parkway
Linford Wood
Milton Keynes
MK14 6PH

If you want specific information, please tell us, because this will speed up our reply. Please also give us any relevant details to help us find the information you're looking for. Please also note that in some instances, we may be able to provide the information you want without you having to make a formal request as described above.

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Why not profile regular conversations too - build voice recognition + profiling software into mobiles and keep the mobile's microphone open so it can record and profile your off-air conversations too.

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oh dear,

poor old phorm CEO, and hammy

Bid Offer Volume High Low Last Close
700.00 800.00 42,200 912.50 750.00 750.00 on 08-Jul-2008

new all time low for the share price

:angel: phorms rather poor now :angel:

as it has lost about £4,000,000 from its market capital today

peter

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Not far off with that. Mobile phone profiling with word recognition has already been proposed and GPS tracking is already being trialled and it's been used to spot peoples shopping habits for a "study".

Cars are being tracked when they move around cities and RFID tags are already being built-in to some purchases to track the movements of purchasers.

One company has developed an RFID so small that thousands of them can be sprayed onto a car mixed in with the normal paint so that the car can be tracked.

As you might expect, all of these modern wonders are being promoted as safety and security enhancing.