Cable Forum - The state benefits system mega-thread.

As I understand the thrust is to make employers pay better wages so that the state doesn't need to supplement them with expensive benefits. What's the problem with that?

Making the poor pay taxes so the state then gives them back the money they should have kept in the first place is just daft. Get the state off the peoples backs.

Yes one would hope that employers would make up the shortfall in peoples salary's but thats a very big if in my book.

Ignitionnet

06-07-2015 00:48

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35786791)

The Lidl ones are OK. :p:

Over 50% of the population are on some kind of state benefit. Perhaps if that was substantially reduced then those who really need it might not feel the pinch so much.

Might be trickier than it sounds given how many of that 50% are either in work and having derisory wages topped up to pay extortionate rents or retired.

heero_yuy

06-07-2015 10:35

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Last two items bottom right. :LOL:

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Julian

06-07-2015 11:40

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35786886)

Yes one would hope that employers would make up the shortfall in peoples salary's but thats a very big if in my book.

Just out of interest, where would all this money come from?

Not all businesses make huge profits you know.

Small businesses with few employees would get rid of staff, I know I would.

Osem	06-07-2015 11:56

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Originally Posted by Julian (Post 35786940)

Just out of interest, where would all this money come from?

Not all businesses make huge profits you know.

Small businesses with few employees would get rid of staff, I know I would.

Well they could try putting their prices up but then they'd have the same very same people complaining about the cost of everything going up... :spin:

Julian

06-07-2015 12:07

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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35786942)

Well they could try putting their prices up but then they'd have the same very same people complaining about the cost of everything going up... :spin:

Exactly!

denphone

06-07-2015 12:16

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Originally Posted by Julian (Post 35786940)

Just out of interest, where would all this money come from?

Not all businesses make huge profits you know.

Small businesses with few employees would get rid of staff, I know I would.

Well GO and DC seems to think employers will take the strain and raise workers wages to cover the tax credit shortfalls but those statements are full of if , buts and maybes be it whether it is a smaller firm or even the larger ones to whether they will raise their workers salaries to make up for this.

Osem	06-07-2015 12:22

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Well someone will have to pay. More profitable companies may be able to absorb the cost but you can't pay staff out of losses for very long (unless you're in Greece lol) so in respect of those companies struggling to survive, either the ranks of the unemployed will be added to or we'll have to pay more for our goods and services.

Gary L

06-07-2015 13:05

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Loads of businesses will make redundancies.
Loads of people will pack in their jobs.
Loads of businesses will close.

Taf	06-07-2015 19:11

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Let us not forget that there is a Budget coming up.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BI7fudmO7FY

peanut

13-07-2015 15:10

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Hmm, this doesn't sound good.

David Cameron open to idea of workers saving up to fund own sick pay.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...d-own-sick-pay

IDS must have something big on Camoron.

Hugh	13-07-2015 15:14

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The proposal of fortune accounts for the UK was examined in depth in a paper by the free market libertarian Adam Smith Institute thinktank in 1995, which looked at how people could go to a single private provider for an account that gave them long-term care insurance, disability cover, health insurance, savings fund management and unemployment insurance.

When I had a mortgage, I always had a policy that paid the mortgage if I was sick, unemployed, or died - it's quite common..

richard s

13-07-2015 15:21

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Will the living wage be worth £9 in five years time!

heero_yuy

13-07-2015 15:59

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35788183)

From the article

When I had a mortgage, I always had a policy that paid the mortgage if I was sick, unemployed, or died - it's quite common..

Unfortunately the banks did much to discredit such insurance with their own PPI scandals.:(

Osem	13-07-2015 16:07

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35788183)

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When I had a mortgage, I always had a policy that paid the mortgage if I was sick, unemployed, or died - it's quite common..

Us too. Seemed like a perfectly sensible thing to do...

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35788196)

Unfortunately the banks did much to discredit such insurance with their own PPI scandals.:(

Yes and now we're heading towards the point where nobody will be keen to give advice about anything for fear of being sued or otherwise held accountable if it goes wrong 10 years down the line...

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