Cable Forum - UK & EU Agree Post-Brexit Trade Deal

Untrue.

The block, now, is the continual drip, drip of obstructions to the meaningful vote, and now to passage of the WAB.

“Take no deal off the table” is a strategy to ensure the WAB never passes through the Commons (certainly not in a form compatible with the agreement negotiated with the EU), resulting in serial applications for deadline extensions with the eventual aim of creating an irresistible, major shift in public opinion towards a second referendum or outright revocation.

The continuing remain strategy ever since 2016 has been to make Brexit look too arduous to see through, and then to reverse the referendum result. “Take no deal off the table” is a tactic in pursuit of that overall strategy. Nothing more.

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Ah, just found the trapdoor to No Deal.
Clause 30 - if the Government doesn’t propose an extension to the transition, MPs have no say, & therefore if negotiations on future relationship unfinished by end of December next year, we’re out - it’s #NoDeal

As Hugh has repeated pointed out, this PM's word cannot be trusted and so the only route is to amend the legislation to force his hand.

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36014992)

Your negotiating strategy is like the one in Blazing Saddles where the Sheriff of Rock Ridge rides into town and negotiates with the people of the town not to shoot him.

Boris may be a comedian but he’s no Mel Brooks. And he wouldn’t get the reprieve the Sheriff did in the movie.

If this the Boris you imagine?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DMAGV0XW0AUwCym.jpg

1andrew1

25-10-2019 20:26

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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36014999)

Your position is expected as you are happy with any cost to the country to achieve the result you crave for. For the majority of the country, their view is different, they do not wish to be poorer and so No Deal needs to go.

Caroline Lucas seem to have found the reason for this position in Parliament:

https://twitter.com/CarolineLucas/st...15530401513474

As Hugh has repeated pointed out, this PM's word cannot be trusted and so the only route is to amend the legislation to force his hand.

If this the Boris you imagine?

Probably this one. :D

https://twitter.com/PoliticsJOE_UK/s...73908020948993

Pierre

25-10-2019 20:59

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36014996)

https://twitter.com/skynews/status/1...413565441?s=21

He says "what we have here is a great deal, a deal that has been approved by Parliament" (first 6 seconds).

Watch the whole interview, don’t be taken in by selective clips. I thought one as Wise as you would not be hoodwinked.

Hugh	25-10-2019 21:55

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36015012)

Watch the whole interview, don’t be taken in by selective clips. I thought one as Wise as you would not be hoodwinked.

Did he, or did he not say what I quoted and what was shown by Sky TV News?

It has not been edited/cut/clipped to distort what he said, it’s what he said...

nomadking

25-10-2019 22:07

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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36014999)

In what way does "Deal" actually change what, in your opinion, would make us poorer? In theory, all it actually does it delay things by just over a year. A Labour government it guaranteed to do that (again), yet is anybody suggesting it should be blocked?

Damien

26-10-2019 10:01

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36015012)

Watch the whole interview, don’t be taken in by selective clips. I thought one as Wise as you would not be hoodwinked.

Even if he said something else later he did state that as well. Remember politicians use soundbites so that these select clips are shown via social media and news reports.

Go to the Conservative party twitter feed to see them circulating memes and clips of the bill 'passing' Parliament.

Sephiroth

26-10-2019 10:23

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36015027)

That shouldn’t encourage you to do the same.

Anyway, I wish a pox on Corbyn for his total dishonesty.

I wish that Boris didn’t carry baggage on his honesty credentials.

I wish double poxes on Letwin and Grieve.

I wish a treble pox on Verhofstadt.

ianch99

26-10-2019 10:50

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More dishonestly from Johnson:

Fears rise over post-Brexit workers’ rights and regulations

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UK considers diverging on rules despite ‘level playing field’ promises to EU

The British government is planning to diverge from the EU on regulation and workers’ rights after Brexit, despite its pledge to maintain a “level playing field” in prime minister Boris Johnson’s deal, according to an official paper shared by ministers this week.

The government paper drafted by Dexeu, the Brexit department, with input from Downing Street stated that the UK was open to significant divergence, even though Brussels is insisting on comparable regulatory provisions.

Other non-paywall link: https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk...-rights-leaked

Earlier:

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Boris Johnson says workers rights will be enshrined in the Brexit deal he's trying to get MPs to back.

Mr Johnson insisted the agreement did not signal a "race to the bottom".

The prime minister told ITV News Political Editor Robert Peston that he would be able to reassure MPs worried about the potential erosion of employment rights in his new bill.

"We can do all things differently to a higher standard and our aspirations to high levels of protection will be enshrined in the Political Declaration," he said.

"The withdrawal agreement bill will, almost certainly, contain the kind of protections and provisions you are talking about."

He said a vote on his Brexit deal is a chance to repay the faith of the people who voted to leave the European Union

This will be a main theme in the next GE: "Can you trust the dishonest Conservatives?"

Carth

26-10-2019 11:02

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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36015035)

More dishonestly from Johnson:

Fears rise over post-Brexit workers’ rights and regulations

Maybe you're so fixated with the Anti-Boris theme, that you're not considering the possibility that a change to the workers protection/regulations/rights or whatever will be a benefit?

Maybe we're looking at better protection and rights for the poor suckers stuck in zero hour contracts for example

Look what I've just seen . .

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-50189819

OLD BOY

26-10-2019 11:06

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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36015035)

More dishonestly from Johnson:

Fears rise over post-Brexit workers’ rights and regulations

Other non-paywall link: https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk...-rights-leaked

Earlier:

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This will be a main theme in the next GE: "Can you trust the dishonest Conservatives?"

So, clearly, you do not want the UK to have better workers' rights than the EU. Or have you misinterpreted what the PM said?

If it's trust that you are worried about, I really wouldn't put mine in the hands of Marxist terrorist sympathisers Corbyn and McDonnell

Mr K	26-10-2019 11:37

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36015040)

LibDems for you then OB? ;)

They've got an excellent solution for Brexit, then we can all concentrate on the real issues facing us instead of wasting our lives on this irrelevance.

jfman

26-10-2019 15:30

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Considering three serving members of the cabinet literally wrote the book on creating "efficiency" in the UK workforce ok curious where the commitment to extend workers rights comes from.

There’s nothing in any of the proposed legislation. Boris saying it doesn’t make it so.

Sephiroth

26-10-2019 15:43

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What's all this nonsense about workers' rights?

Exactly who is going to take which rights away from workers? This is al smoke and mirrors.

What we don't want is the imposition of artificial "rights" for the sake of levelling the playing field so that France's restrictive practices can prevail.

jfman

26-10-2019 15:48

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36015056)

Who?

Conservatives. Dominic Raab wrote a paper on it. A good read or anyone wanting to see what these people would do if they could get away with it. Less annual leave, more hours, etc.

As capitalism forces more people into the “gig economy” these rights are more vital then ever.

ianch99

26-10-2019 18:35

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36015057)

This will be a major theme in the GE. Do we want the free market vision that those controlling Johnson envisage? Most do not. The Deal as presented allows the door to this world to be well and truly open.

Workers rights are a direct obstacle to the low tax, low regulation future he wants. This is the reality of free market capitalism. Those who say that we can have more rights as workers in such a "gig" economy are selling snake oil.

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36015056)

What's all this nonsense about workers' rights?

Exactly who is going to take which rights away from workers? This is al smoke and mirrors.

What we don't want is the imposition of artificial "rights" for the sake of levelling the playing field so that France's restrictive practices can prevail.

That's an easy one to answer. The answer is the Conservative Party. As I posted earlier, they have already made significant inroads but this is only just the beginning if the Tory right get their way.

I would also welcome a clarification of "artificial "rights""?

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