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IEA and YouGov find bias towards Leave at the BBC. The YouGov results are buried deep in statistical analysis but they conclude that Leave voters are more likely to,say “don’t know” as to a media outlet’s bias.

Links are always appreciated.

Sephiroth

07-10-2018 15:01

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35965635)

£20 million over 6 years, approx. £3.3 million per year, compared to an annual income/revenue of approx. £5 thousand million a year, so they are being influenced by a payment of 0.0666% of their annual income/revenue, or to put it another way, 5 hours worth of their annual income/revenue?

That’s 23,000 free TV licences for the over 75s.

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35965638)

Links are always appreciated.

Difficult on my tablet. Sorry. Easily Googled.

Hugh	07-10-2018 15:09

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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/n...dget-vg7c9zgmh

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Brexiteers threaten to sabotage the budget

Brexiteers have issued a last-ditch threat to vote down the budget and destroy the government unless Theresa May takes a tougher line with Brussels — amid signs that she is on course to secure a deal with the European Union.

Leading members of the hardline European Research Group (ERG) last night vowed to vote down government legislation after it was claimed the prime minister will use Labour MPs to push her plan through the Commons.

The Sunday Times spoke to 18 cabinet ministers at the Conservative Party conference last week and every one of them said that May would get a deal and MPs would then end up approving it. But Bernard Jenkin, a veteran Eurosceptic, told a WhatsApp group of Tory MPs yesterday that it would lead to members refusing to back No 10 in other key votes.

“Make no mistake,” he wrote, “a soft/non-Brexit pushed by the Conservative establishment but put through with Labour support will look like we are abandoning our supporters and remove any sense of obligation among Conservative Brexit-supporting MPs to continue to support the government."

May is exploring a course that would see Britain stay in a customs union with the rest of the EU for an extended period. But Jenkin said that would “destroy party unity”.

The rebels plan to vote down budget motions later this month. “She hasn’t got a majority and, by God, she’s going to be shown she hasn’t got a majority,” said one.

Angua

07-10-2018 15:17

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35965623)

That’s plain silly. If the BBC can’t balance something they should say so beyond “the minister was unavailanle for comment”. They were/are biased towards Remain.

So you would rather they did not discuss Brexit at all (or only in a very limited way), when it is the biggest thing the UK has done since joining the EU.

It is far harder to discuss the unknown of Brexit, than the known of remain.

Sephiroth

07-10-2018 15:32

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Originally Posted by Angua (Post 35965643)

Again, don’t be silly. All I ask is that they report Brexit in a balanced way on TV. Strangely I see their web news to display reasonable fair play.

Angua

07-10-2018 15:44

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35965644)

Again, don’t be silly. All I ask is that they report Brexit in a balanced way on TV. Strangely I see their web news to display reasonable fair play.

Probably because a more measured impartial article is possible, compared to live TV interviews.

Sephiroth

07-10-2018 15:56

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Originally Posted by Angua (Post 35965645)

Probably because a more measured impartial article is possible, compared to live TV interviews.

I think Kuenssberg does a reasonably impartial job. Nicely infused with picador sticks.

Hom3r

07-10-2018 19:13

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Jimmy Krankie says she back a 2nd referendum.

Kick this dumb bint out of office as she has ZERO grasp on democracy.

She lost taking the Scots out of the union and she lost in staying in the EU.

Dave42

08-10-2018 00:33

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Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 35965671)

Jimmy Krankie says she back a 2nd referendum.

Kick this dumb bint out of office as she has ZERO grasp on democracy.

She lost taking the Scots out of the union and she lost in staying in the EU.

em Scotland voted democratically to stay that who she represents

papa smurf

08-10-2018 11:14

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em Scotland voted democratically to stay that who she represents

We voted as a union of countries not individual countries.

Dave42

08-10-2018 12:56

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35965717)

We voted as a union of countries not individual countries.

I know that i was just pointing out as Hom3r said she had had ZERO grasp on democracy when her country voted to stay so she has grasp of democracy

and another big blatant lie about only way for Scotland to guarantee to stay in EU was to vote to stay in the union

1andrew1

08-10-2018 20:21

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Theresa May talking down an imminent deal.

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Mrs May's spokesman said there is a difference between optimistic talk about a deal being done and it actually happening.
The EU still needs to move its position for negotiations to proceed and there can be no withdrawal agreement without a precise future framework with the EU, he added...
In a sign that the UK is not yet ready to do a deal with the EU, Brexit Secretary Dominic Raab will no longer go to Brussels to speak with his EU counterparts this week.

https://news.sky.com/story/theresa-m...olved-11521261

Chris

08-10-2018 20:50

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Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 35965701)

em Scotland voted democratically to stay that who she represents

Not correct.

The question of the United Kingdom’s membership of the EU was put to the electorate of the United Kingdom. This process was handled in identical fashion by every returning officer in the United Kingdom, who handed the results from their polling districts directly to the Chief Counting Officer appointed to oversee the process.

Totting up the results by region or by nation is statistically interesting and may be politically useful, but should not detract from the fact that Scottish voters were fully aware that they were taking part in a UK event (by virtue of the fact that they opted to remain in the UK two years earlier), and it is only the nationalist lobby in Scotland (plus English remainiacs desperate for any angle they can grab hold of) that persists in attempting to disenfranchise those in Scotland who did vote Leave (me among them) by trying to portray Scotland as having had some sort of block-vote for Remain squashed by nasty England.

1andrew1

08-10-2018 21:03

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35965757)

Not correct.

The question of the United Kingdom’s membership of the EU was put to the electorate of the United Kingdom. This process was handled in identical fashion by every returning officer in the United Kingdom, who handed the results from their polling districts directly to the Chief Counting Officer appointed to oversee the process.

Totting up the results by region or by nation is statistically interesting and may be politically useful, but should not detract from the fact that Scottish voters were fully aware that they were taking part in a UK event (by virtue of the fact that they opted to remain in the UK two years earlier), and it is only the nationalist lobby in Scotland (plus English remainiacs desperate for any angle they can grab hold of) that persists in attempting to disenfranchise those in Scotland who did vote Leave (me among them) by trying to portray Scotland as having had some sort of block-vote for Remain squashed by nasty England.

What's that?

Dave42

08-10-2018 21:19

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35965757)

eh no one said Scotland had a block vote Scotland had massive majority for remain FACT uk result was Leave FACT I was pointing out to Hom3r who said she had zero grasp of democracy the fact Scotland voted remain that who she represents

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35965753)

Theresa May talking down an imminent deal.

https://news.sky.com/story/theresa-m...olved-11521261

a no deal is almost certain Andrew not because of the EU because of tories never will agree on anything about Europe the parties infighting will not stop

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