Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36070548)

The rest of us care because you purposely refuse to clearly define concepts that you use almost interchangeably.

This allows you to shift the goalposts, essentially “winning” the argument if one of two set but very different scenarios happen:

a) linear channels cease broadcast over cable, satellite and DTT, but continue over IPTV
b) linear channels cease completely.

One of those is infinitely more likely than the other, but probably still not within your timeframe. I’m asking you to tell us which of the two you mean and stick to it. An answer a) or b) uncaveated would be useful at this point.

Which we know you won’t do.

If you have difficulty understanding either, or the difference, then you’re probably not the best informed person to be making the argument you are and it’d go some way to explaining how we got here after six long years.

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36070551)

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...postcount=1659

Still waiting for an answer other than “who cares”.

I’m calling it a night for tonight as last time you spun it out to 4am with no clear answers and the mods weren’t happy,

I’ve asked clear questions and explained my rationale for doing so.

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36070551)

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...postcount=1659

Still waiting for an answer other than “who cares”.

I’m calling it a night for tonight as last time you spun it out to 4am with no clear answers and the mods weren’t happy,

I’ve asked clear questions and explained my rationale for doing so.

Originally Posted by Legendkiller2k (Post 36070556)

Linear is going nowhere even if everything did go to streaming there would still be linear tv for live sports, live ppv events etc.
Even things like live streaming on twitch or youtube is linear.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36070543)

Well, yes. But the fact remains that another channel has deactivated because on financial grounds it doesn’t make sense to continue to broadcast it. Despite the fact that, according to jfman, it only costs buttons to run a TV channel.

As streamers gain ascendency, you will see more channels go to the wall. It’s all finance driven, one way or the other. Watch and learn.

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Er, who cares? This has nothing to do with my argument, at all!

Originally Posted by Legendkiller2k (Post 36070556)

Linear is going nowhere even if everything did go to streaming there would still be linear tv for live sports, live ppv events etc.
Even things like live streaming on twitch or youtube is linear.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36070611)

Quite. But in the future, linear TV will be streamed.

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36070574)

So is your answer b)? Nobody, anywhere will schedule content to be delivered in a linear fashion?

Where does Pluto TV come into it?

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36070613)

Thread title - "Linear is old tech - on demand is the future"

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36070617)

This is why I'd really like to pin down the detail - conflation everywhere.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36070618)

You're going around in circles.

Our traditional TV channels I believe will no longer exist. Instead, the content will be streamed, and that includes live TV. You can watch live TV on the BBC i-Player right now, so that isn't a difficult concept to understand.

The scripted content and other pre-recorded material will be presented by category (eg documentaries, dramas, etc) rather than by 'TV channel'. That is what streamers do now, so again, that is pretty straight forward.

Pluto TV has tried combining the scheduled TV channels concept with streaming, but I notice that they are now giving more prominence to video on demand, probably because they now realise that this is the way most people prefer to view their Pluto content.

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I've explained the use of that word on many occasions, Hugh. Five years ago, there were press reports about linear TV potentially disappearing, which is why I started the thread, but by 'linear' they meant our existing TV channels such as BBC1.

I agree the use of that word was misleading, but it was common parlence at the time for scheduled broadcast channels.

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Heaven forbid we will start talking details, jfman - you wouldn't be able to cope with it.

Why you are struggling with the concept of TV channels being converted to VOD on streamers is a mystery to me.

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36070623)

Far from Old Boy, I sit here with my shiny Virgin 360 box and enjoy plenty of On Demand content from broadcasters who are doing both scheduled broadcast television and VOD.

I'm at a loss to how billion pound organisations like Sky, ITV and the BBC will be unable to maintain this yet plucky upstarts Pluto TV seem to be able to in yours 2025/2035 vision.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36070624)

It's not a question of being unable to. It's a question of whether it is worthwhile as audiences diminish.

All organisations big and small strip out unnecessary costs to maximise profits and to compete.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36070618)

You're going around in circles.

Our traditional TV channels I believe will no longer exist. Instead, the content will be streamed, and that includes live TV. You can watch live TV on the BBC i-Player right now, so that isn't a difficult concept to understand.

The scripted content and other pre-recorded material will be presented by category (eg documentaries, dramas, etc) rather than by 'TV channel'. That is what streamers do now, so again, that is pretty straight forward.

Pluto TV has tried combining the scheduled TV channels concept with streaming, but I notice that they are now giving more prominence to video on demand, probably because they now realise that this is the way most people prefer to view their Pluto content.

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I've explained the use of that word on many occasions, Hugh. Five years ago, there were press reports about linear TV potentially disappearing, which is why I started the thread, but by 'linear' they meant our existing TV channels such as BBC1.

I agree the use of that word was misleading, but it was common parlence at the time for scheduled broadcast channels.

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Heaven forbid we will start talking details, jfman - you wouldn't be able to cope with it.

Why you are struggling with the concept of TV channels being converted to VOD on streamers is a mystery to me.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36060578)

Linear TV is live in the sense that we are watching it as it is being broadcast. That’s why it is often described as ‘live TV’.