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nialli 28-12-2022 17:31
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
I had the misfortune to watch some PL live coverage on Prime over the last few days. If that’s the best one of the world’s biggest streaming companies can do then for me there’s no future for live sport on streamers. Awful, sub-HD picture quality on my Sony and Panasonic TVs via VM V6 boxes and just as bad using a Roku device. So I then tried using the Prime apps on the smart TVs, just as poor. No rewind or pause capability on any of them.
And Amazon have been doing this for how many years? No wonder the don’t charge for it!
I ended up using the iPad Prime Video app. Image crystal clear and the action was more than a minute ahead of what I saw on the TV. In fact the Prime app was also ahead of the browser version on my laptop.
I have no idea what the future holds for PL coverage on TV but, on this evidence, I won’t be watching it via a streaming service unless things dramatically improve.

Paul 28-12-2022 18:51
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I have watched several of the matches on Prime this week (and back in October) and they have been fine, nothing wrong with the HD picture (50" LG TV) - Also had one running in the other room on my Android TV Box (its feeding an 8.5 Year old Samsung TV that doesnt do WiFi very well) that was also just fine.

I dont expect rewind or pause on streaming, just as I dont expect it on Sky "red button" matches.

I dont specifically have Prime Video for the football, but I certainly had no compaints or issues with it.

nialli 28-12-2022 21:46
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According to my (admittedly hasty) online research, there’s no Prime Live Sports issue on LG or Samsung TVs but there is with Sony and Panasonic.
Could it be something on Japanese TVs that’s an issue?

1701-e 29-12-2022 11:35
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No issues with live or rewind on 360 prime app.

jfman 29-12-2022 11:51
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1701-e (Post 36142759)
No issues with live or rewind on 360 prime app.
At a guess - and it’s just that - the experience will vary by platform.

The software platforms that will be better supported will be Apple, Android and the systems from major operators like Sky, Virgin etc (which are in use globally on sister operators). Proprietary systems from TV manufacturers will have the most variance by brand, model, age etc.

OLD BOY 17-01-2023 15:59
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Apple+ is set to make a bid for the Premier League rights. For some of us, a major bid by a streaming service was always a high possibility this time around, but it won’t go down well in some circles.

https://www.imore.com/music-movies-t...premier-league

[EXTRACT]

Apple may have dropped out of the streaming rights race for the NFL Sunday Ticket, but it looks like it hasn't given up on its sports streaming aspirations yet. A new report from the Daily Mail says that Apple is planning on bidding for the streaming rights for Premier League.

The report says Apple is gunning for Apple TV Plus to grab the domestic streaming rights for the UK. The rights are currently with Sky Sports and BT Sport, in a three-year deal set to expire in 2025.

1andrew1 17-01-2023 16:52
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36143818)
Apple+ is set to make a bid for the Premier League rights. For some of us, a major bid by a streaming service was always a high possibility this time around, but it won’t go down well in some circles.

https://www.imore.com/music-movies-t...premier-league

[EXTRACT]

Apple may have dropped out of the streaming rights race for the NFL Sunday Ticket, but it looks like it hasn't given up on its sports streaming aspirations yet. A new report from the Daily Mail says that Apple is planning on bidding for the streaming rights for Premier League.

The report says Apple is gunning for Apple TV Plus to grab the domestic streaming rights for the UK. The rights are currently with Sky Sports and BT Sport, in a three-year deal set to expire in 2025.
The rights are currently split three ways, the other player being Amazon with the smallest package of rights.

We don't know which rights packages will be on offer but I would expect Apple to be competing against Amazon for a smaller one and not BT and Sky for the larger packages. The Premier League would not sell the rights to one player as the excerpt you have quoted suggests is a possibility.

OLD BOY 18-01-2023 07:46
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36143819)
The rights are currently split three ways, the other player being Amazon with the smallest package of rights.

We don't know which rights packages will be on offer but I would expect Apple to be competing against Amazon for a smaller one and not BT and Sky for the larger packages. The Premier League would not sell the rights to one player as the excerpt you have quoted suggests is a possibility.
The report wasn’t suggesting that Apple could mop up all the rights to the Premier League, but it did suggest it could go for one of the major rights, which might include rights currently held by Sky.

How much of that was speculation is difficult to say, but I expect more on this will come out before long.

Hugh 18-01-2023 09:44
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Quote:
A new report from the Daily Mail says that Apple is planning on bidding for the streaming rights for Premier League.

The report says Apple is gunning for Apple TV Plus to grab the domestic streaming rights for the UK
The words "some of" or "one of" are noticeably absent in the report - we can only comment on what is quoted, not on unvalidated assumptions...

1andrew1 18-01-2023 10:30
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36143854)
The report wasn’t suggesting that Apple could mop up all the rights to the Premier League, but it did suggest it could go for one of the major rights, which might include rights currently held by Sky.

How much of that was speculation is difficult to say, but I expect more on this will come out before long.
I think you're probably confusing this with another report you've read on the matter. Hugh's comments refer.

Phunkenstein 18-01-2023 10:31
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I remember this story when it was Amazon

Also remember it when it was BT

Also remember it when it was ESPN

Also when it was Al Jazeera and/or BeIn

These stories usually come up every few years and it’s more likely speculation in order to rev up the bidding process rather than anything significant.

We know Apple are moving into sports but the speculation doesn’t mean anything until the auction starts… if anything there’s more evidence to suggest the current EPL structure for the U.K. doesn’t suit Apple’s ambitions given their global MLS deal where they own the entire things so to speak and the reports about how bad their NFL negotiations went where they were trying to get in-market and international rights that weren’t part of Sunday Ticket.

I wouldn’t read much into it - most likely someone from the PL eyeing a rights increase for the next deal and just trying to get the party started early!

jfman 20-01-2023 07:28
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Phunkenstein (Post 36143864)
I remember this story when it was Amazon

Also remember it when it was BT

Also remember it when it was ESPN

Also when it was Al Jazeera and/or BeIn

These stories usually come up every few years and it’s more likely speculation in order to rev up the bidding process rather than anything significant.

We know Apple are moving into sports but the speculation doesn’t mean anything until the auction starts… if anything there’s more evidence to suggest the current EPL structure for the U.K. doesn’t suit Apple’s ambitions given their global MLS deal where they own the entire things so to speak and the reports about how bad their NFL negotiations went where they were trying to get in-market and international rights that weren’t part of Sunday Ticket.

I wouldn’t read much into it - most likely someone from the PL eyeing a rights increase for the next deal and just trying to get the party started early!
The fact it’s coming from the Daily Mail sports reporter tells me the source for the exclusive isn’t sunning themselves up in Silicon Valley.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...ue-rights.html

Quote:
The Premier League’s current three-year deal with Sky Sports and BT Sport expires in 2025, with the tender process for the next set of rights due to begin later this year.

A serious bid from Apple is the biggest threat to Sky Sports’ dominance of Premier League coverage since they gained exclusive rights to the competition in 1992, as they have the financial clout to challenge them.
Interesting that their journalist/source clearly doesn’t consider Amazon, who got their rights in the bargain bucket, under threat or part of the conversation for more.

The attempt to shakedown Sky/BT couldn’t be more obvious.

OLD BOY 20-01-2023 17:51
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36143859)
The words "some of" or "one of" are noticeably absent in the report - we can only comment on what is quoted, not on unvalidated assumptions...
And yet, Hugh, common sense denotes that the article was not saying that ALL the rights could be allocated to them because of course that's not how it works.

I know that you excel in pedantry, old chap, but you need to apply some common sense to your interpretation.

;)

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Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36143982)
The fact it’s coming from the Daily Mail sports reporter tells me the source for the exclusive isn’t sunning themselves up in Silicon Valley.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...ue-rights.html



Interesting that their journalist/source clearly doesn’t consider Amazon, who got their rights in the bargain bucket, under threat or part of the conversation for more.

The attempt to shakedown Sky/BT couldn’t be more obvious.
I wouldn't have expected you to say anything else, jfman! :p:

1andrew1 20-01-2023 17:58
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36144006)
And yet, Hugh, common sense denotes that the article was not saying that ALL the rights could be allocated to them because of course that's not how it works.

I know that you excel in pedantry, old chap, but you need to apply some common sense to your interpretation.
Writing "the rights" means all the rights, not some of them. I'm afraid Hugh is correct.
Quote:
The report says Apple is gunning for Apple TV Plus to grab the domestic streaming rights for the UK.

Hugh 20-01-2023 17:59
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36144006)
And yet, Hugh, common sense denotes that the article was not saying that ALL the rights could be allocated to them because of course that's not how it works.

I know that you excel in pedantry, old chap, but you need to apply some common sense to your interpretation.

;)

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I wouldn't have expected you to say anything else, jfman! :p:
So, by that interpretation, Apple could be bidding for the same tranche of matches that Amazon currently hold, which would invalidate your assertion that "a major bid by a streaming service" was about to happen… ;)

1andrew1 20-01-2023 19:27
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36143982)
The fact it’s coming from the Daily Mail sports reporter tells me the source for the exclusive isn’t sunning themselves up in Silicon Valley.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...ue-rights.html


Interesting that their journalist/source clearly doesn’t consider Amazon, who got their rights in the bargain bucket, under threat or part of the conversation for more.

The attempt to shakedown Sky/BT couldn’t be more obvious.
Good analysis re who penned the original article and where its source might be. Paddington more than Cupertino.

I was surprised by the article not mentioning Amazon - maybe a victim of over-enthusiastic editing at the Mail but something that Old Boy's read of choice imore.com should have corrected if they knew much about the Premier League Rights.

jfman 20-01-2023 19:46
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36144010)
So, by that interpretation, Apple could be bidding for the same tranche of matches that Amazon currently hold, which would invalidate your assertion that "a major bid by a streaming service" was about to happen… ;)
Sky could be a major streaming service before than in OB’s eyes.

OLD BOY 21-01-2023 09:58
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36144009)
Writing "the rights" means all the rights, not some of them. I'm afraid Hugh is correct.
Yes, I know that, Andrew. It's just sloppy wording. You take things too literally.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36143859)
The words "some of" or "one of" are noticeably absent in the report - we can only comment on what is quoted, not on unvalidated assumptions...
They are indeed. However, that doesn't make the thrust of the report wrong. Grammatical errors appear in news stories all the time.

Hugh 21-01-2023 10:00
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36144061)
Yes, I know that, Andrew. It's just sloppy wording. You take things too literally.
And you put your own interpretation on things too liberally*

We read what it actually says, you read what you want it to say…



*not a word I thought I would ever have to use related to you… ;)

OLD BOY 21-01-2023 10:00
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36144010)
So, by that interpretation, Apple could be bidding for the same tranche of matches that Amazon currently hold, which would invalidate your assertion that "a major bid by a streaming service" was about to happen… ;)
Except that they specifically mentioned Sky and BT.

jfman 21-01-2023 22:50
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36144064)
Except that they specifically mentioned Sky and BT.
Yes, the Daily Mail sports reporter seems oblivious to who actually broadcasts the matches.

1701-e 22-01-2023 10:08
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36144128)
Yes, the Daily Mail sports reporter seems oblivious to who actually broadcasts the matches.
Well daily fail And facts are absolute opposites.

Phunkenstein 07-02-2023 14:09
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https://www.dazn.com/en-GLOBAL/news/...11mvim1ypoi711

DAZN to carry NFL Game Pass globally.

1andrew1 07-02-2023 14:48
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Phunkenstein (Post 36145361)
https://www.dazn.com/en-GLOBAL/news/...11mvim1ypoi711

DAZN to carry NFL Game Pass globally.
A gain from Sky Sports?

TimeLord2018 07-02-2023 15:16
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Sky signed a 5 year deal in August 2020 - for the 2020 to 2024 seasons .
https://www.skygroup.sky/article/nfl...ar-partnership

jfman 07-02-2023 17:46
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36145365)
A gain from Sky Sports?
No. Sky still hold the rights for what they currently broadcast throughout the season. 3x Sunday games (first choice in the earlier time slots, and as shown in America for the late game), a Monday game (again chosen by the NFL partner in the US), playoffs, Super Bowl, etc.

Essentially this is the rights to every other game throughout the season.

What isn’t clear is whether the DAZN package will duplicate the Sky games on a non-exclusive basis or whether they are blacked out in the UK.

Interesting to note though: minor rights in a ten year contract. Worryingly for UK consumers facing a price rise is there’s a suggestion this will be an add on!

ozsat 08-02-2023 05:21
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When I had it, NFL Game Pass in the UK had the live Regular Season Sunday games carried by Sky Sports blocked.

braysoj1 09-02-2023 11:43
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When are we getting a hd pic on the red button

TimeLord2018 17-02-2023 11:59
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Sky have reportedly Secured the Rights To ATP and WTA across all Sky markets from 2024
https://www.ubitennis.net/2023/02/re...six-countries/

Aguero9320 17-02-2023 21:39
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DAZN reportedly set to bid big for Premier League rights. Could this spell the end of the 3pm blackout?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...TV-rights.html

Paul 18-02-2023 01:07
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Aguero9320 (Post 36146227)
Could this spell the end of the 3pm blackout?
On what do you base that ?

1andrew1 19-02-2023 10:33
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36146233)
On what do you base that ?
Yeah, I'm not sure why it would change anything about the 3pm kick-offs, just another subscription and different logo on the screen and perhaps a few technical issues. https://www.broadbandtvnews.com/2023...est-blackouts/

jfman 19-02-2023 11:55
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I guess it’s the admission (when you read between the lines) from DAZN that they can’t compete with Sky, BT or Amazon on the current basis for the current rights.

The “partnership” model they suggest could (if you skew a little) be interpreted as them begging for the league to make more rights available and all that’s really left is the 3pm games. At £20+ a month it wouldn’t be cheap, for on most weeks the sixth-tenth choice games.

muppetman11 19-02-2023 12:46
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I wish the Premier League would sell access to all the games on their own service like NFL Gamepass.

1andrew1 19-02-2023 13:43
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Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 36146302)
I wish the Premier League would sell access to all the games on their own service like NFL Gamepass.
I think they've worked out that they will get more money the way that they do it. Plus, the blame for high subscription costs tends to land with the broadcasters and not with the Premier League.

Dave42 19-02-2023 22:57
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36146304)
I think they've worked out that they will get more money the way that they do it. Plus, the blame for high subscription costs tends to land with the broadcasters and not with the Premier League.
it the multi broacaster deal that puts price up but they dont want to have one broadcaster to have all the games

1701-e 20-02-2023 00:32
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 36146345)
it the multi broacaster deal that puts price up but they dont want to have one broadcaster to have all the games
Do you honestly believe that if $ky had all the packages it would be cheaper? No chance.

Phunkenstein 20-02-2023 10:22
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Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 36146302)
I wish the Premier League would sell access to all the games on their own service like NFL Gamepass.
Even if the PL decided to eat all the costs of creating and retailing a D2C proposition without any partners handling the marketing or distribution of the product, do you think a ‘GamePass’ style product would be a dramatically different experience, especially in the home market and likely on the proviso of providing tv revenue to teams comparative with what they have been getting for the last few years? Let’s be honest, a D2C platform in the U.K. for the PL would have to be pretty damn expensive…

I do think some people out there see prices of some of these D2C products and don’t entirely appreciate these products are generally so cheap because it’s not the home market in play especially when you look at domestic costs for rights like the NFL…

Not saying a D2C proposition is impossible but I think folk would need to keep expectations in check about how cost friendly something like that would actually end up being! And probably why retailing the tv rights at a premium to content hungry providers remains the best model for the immediate future!

1andrew1 20-02-2023 11:18
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Also I think the NFL Game Pass is now just for non-US customers.
https://techcrunch.com/2022/07/25/nf...nfl-game-pass/

ozsat 20-02-2023 11:30
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It has been like that for a while. I had NFL Game Pass about 4-5 years ago and it wasn't available in US then.

UK versions has the Sky Sports games blocked out - but you can see them if they think you are somewhere else.

Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36146370)
Also I think the NFL Game Pass is now just for non-US customers.
https://techcrunch.com/2022/07/25/nf...nfl-game-pass/

muppetman11 20-02-2023 16:12
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Phunkenstein (Post 36146367)
Even if the PL decided to eat all the costs of creating and retailing a D2C proposition without any partners handling the marketing or distribution of the product, do you think a ‘GamePass’ style product would be a dramatically different experience, especially in the home market and likely on the proviso of providing tv revenue to teams comparative with what they have been getting for the last few years? Let’s be honest, a D2C platform in the U.K. for the PL would have to be pretty damn expensive…

I do think some people out there see prices of some of these D2C products and don’t entirely appreciate these products are generally so cheap because it’s not the home market in play especially when you look at domestic costs for rights like the NFL…

Not saying a D2C proposition is impossible but I think folk would need to keep expectations in check about how cost friendly something like that would actually end up being! And probably why retailing the tv rights at a premium to content hungry providers remains the best model for the immediate future!
Others seem to think it’s achievable.
https://talksport.com/football/11315...-mls-apple-tv/

jfman 20-02-2023 16:17
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At £9.99 a month to make £5 billion in 3 years they’d need 13.8 million individual subscriptions in the UK and Ireland. Leaving out VAT, other costs, etc. I’ll be very generous and concede that those costs could be met by advertising for easy counting.

muppetman11 20-02-2023 17:08
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I’d imagine they could just use the £9.99 as an entry product with other upsells available for instance 4K , HDR etc , increased number of concurrent streams.

braysoj1 20-02-2023 17:19
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...CoPVSRZMap-JV0

1701-e 20-02-2023 17:39
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Quote:
Originally Posted by braysoj1 (Post 36146420)
To save the pain of clicking on a daily fail link.....


BT Sport will change its name following last year's £650m merger with Eurosport
Broadcasters will announce the creation of several new channels on Tuesday
It is unclear at present how much fans will be asked to pay for the new channels

ozsat 20-02-2023 17:41
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I can't see it being more than the current 'BT Sport' + 'Discovery Sport' cost

Quote:
Originally Posted by 1701-e (Post 36146423)
To save the pain of clicking on a daily fail link.....


BT Sport will change its name following last year's £650m merger with Eurosport
Broadcasters will announce the creation of several new channels on Tuesday
It is unclear at present how much fans will be asked to pay for the new channels

1andrew1 20-02-2023 18:19
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ozsat (Post 36146425)
I can't see it being more than the current 'BT Sport' + 'Discovery Sport' cost
Except Eurosport channels tend to be on platforms' base packs.

Some questions:
  • Brand name - I would expect it to be Discovery Sport
  • Channels - I would expect less than the current seven (Five BT, two Eurosport)
  • Pricing - I would expect as per BT Sport at the moment (£25-£30)
  • Base packs - Eurosport currently offers two channels in the bas packs. There might be a contractural obligation with VM and Sky to keep two channels in their base packs for a little while yet.

ozsat 20-02-2023 18:51
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Eurosport and all the extra streams are still running in the Eurosport app and Discovery+.

Phunkenstein 20-02-2023 18:59
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Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 36146413)
Others seem to think it’s achievable.
https://talksport.com/football/11315...-mls-apple-tv/
I like Simon Jordan but those are magical streaming economics in a year where those economics have proven far from magical! It speaks to some of the simplicity in my previous comment.

He says 9.99 but is that the floor globally? 9.99 may be nothing here but it’s very different in markets like India or Africa for example… there’s no way you could price it at 9.99 GBP everywhere.

Also the question is whether there are indeed 100 million people who would specifically pay for a standalone EPL proposition that offers those games outside of a bundle that offers sport or leagues that are far more important in those local markets… I don’t doubt the popularity of the PL but can you guarantee 100 million people paying an average of 9.99 GBP? I don’t think it’s as easy as he says and seems to also miss those differences between markets, the p&a involved and the localisation required before you consider the cost in production and workflow to offer those games weekly at a high quality.

I’m not saying a D2C play is impossible but I still don’t think it happens without a partner bearing the brunt of the production, transmission and promotion. I think it’s hard to compare a tier one property like the EPL to something like the MLS which has still failed to really establish itself as a tier one property in its home market. Apple are paying 250 million for the whole thing globally which is nothing really - it’s a R&D cost for them to see if the model works for a sport and it’s a damn sight cheaper than sinking billions into something like the NFL or NBA. I’m curious to see if it works for the parties involved but MLS ain’t the Premier League!

muppetman11 20-02-2023 20:02
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Question do you expect Sky to retain and pay more at the next renewal ?

jfman 20-02-2023 20:20
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Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 36146440)
Question do you expect Sky to retain and pay more at the next renewal ?
Why would they necessarily pay more? They correctly judged the fall in the value of the rights at last proper auction. The current Covid roll over contract will be significantly less in real terms if it doesn’t have a clause to match unprecedented levels of inflation.

I certainly would expect Sky to retain the top rights package, plus a combination of others to give them at least 90-100 games a season.

The stalking horse of Canal+, Al Jazeera, BEIN Sports, ESPN (Disney), BT, Amazon, any other random streamer has always been there.

Phunkenstein 20-02-2023 20:23
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Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 36146440)
Question do you expect Sky to retain and pay more at the next renewal ?
Think it depends on the packages that are put to tender….

I suspect Amazon will make a play for a weekly game and no more than that as it seems entirely consistent with how they are approaching things like CL games, I think WBD/BT will attempt to do much the same…

I think Sky will retain the majority (or at least their core weekend games) and probably pay an increase (though I don’t think it’ll be a dramatic increase) but I’d never presume anything! Think the question for next year is whether DAZN will finally make a big stupid play for the PL though I’m not entirely sure Sky will be as willing to let them take a big position in their core market as they did in Italy (even though that somewhat backfired on DAZN a bit and they ended up doing another carriage deal with Sky).

And as jfman says, there’s always been the shadow of a new saviour coming in to wrest it all away… I don’t think it’ll be any different except everyone will be calling them Apple.

1andrew1 20-02-2023 20:45
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I can't see Apple being interested. Global MLS is Apple dipping its toes into sport. Third place in rights is probably going to be a toss-up between DAZN and Amazon with Discovery keeping its second place inherited from BT Sport.

In terms of bidding costs, recent inflation rates will probably lead to an uplift of 13% compared to the last auction.

Phunkenstein 20-02-2023 21:00
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I can't see Apple being interested. Global MLS is Apple dipping its toes into sport. Third place in rights is probably going to be a toss-up betwellen DAZN and Amazon with Discovery inbetween.
I have an earlier post where I said much the same about Apple - they probably have little desire to get into short term domestic renewals and probably want to do bigger strategic plays where they essentially own the whole thing.

TimeLord2018 21-02-2023 16:37
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36146431)
Except Eurosport channels tend to be on platforms' base packs.

Some questions:
  • Brand name - I would expect it to be Discovery Sport
  • Channels - I would expect less than the current seven (Five BT, two Eurosport)
  • Pricing - I would expect as per BT Sport at the moment (£25-£30)
  • Base packs - Eurosport currently offers two channels in the bas packs. There might be a contractural obligation with VM and Sky to keep two channels in their base packs for a little while yet.
Looks like TNT Sports, a UK trademark applied for November and web domain tntsports.co.uk was taken In October.

Has now been announced internally as TNT Sports
https://community.bt.com/t5/BT-Sport...2279117/page/2

ozsat 21-02-2023 17:20
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Official release at https://media.discoverysports.com/po...e-for-bt-sport

TimeLord2018 21-02-2023 19:08
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Eurosport expected to change to TNT Sports after 2024 Paris Olympics according to broadcastnow
https://www.broadcastnow.co.uk/broad...179517.article

1andrew1 21-02-2023 20:46
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Interesting to see the return of the TNT brand to the UK.

I can see the logic in WBD having a different brand for sport than Discovery but I'm sure a lot of pubs will be annoyed with having to update their BT Sport signs and websites to TNT Sports!

Horizon 21-02-2023 22:15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36146431)
Except Eurosport channels tend to be on platforms' base packs.

Some questions:
  • Brand name - I would expect it to be Discovery Sport
  • Channels - I would expect less than the current seven (Five BT, two Eurosport)
  • Pricing - I would expect as per BT Sport at the moment (£25-£30)
  • Base packs - Eurosport currently offers two channels in the bas packs. There might be a contractural obligation with VM and Sky to keep two channels in their base packs for a little while yet.
I expected the Discovery Sports name to be used too, considering there is a Discovery Sports website seperate from the main WBD one.

As for channels, no mention of channels in the press release. Looks like it maybe the the end of the BT and Eurosport channels as the whole lot is put on the streamer and talking of which...

WBD announced only a few weeks ago that Discovery+ would not be merged into HBO Max now and perhaps the pricing issue is the reason.

Who would pay possibly £40+ for a merged Discovery/warner service? Keeping the sports seperate means that those people (like me) who aren't that keen on sports and won't pay for them, may still pay for a sport free HBO Max service in the future.

1andrew1 21-02-2023 23:27
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Horizon (Post 36146566)
I expected the Discovery Sports name to be used too, considering there is a Discovery Sports website seperate from the main WBD one.

As for channels, no mention of channels in the press release. Looks like it maybe the the end of the BT and Eurosport channels as the whole lot is put on the streamer and talking of which...

WBD announced only a few weeks ago that Discovery+ would not be merged into HBO Max now and perhaps the pricing issue is the reason.

Who would pay possibly £40+ for a merged Discovery/warner service? Keeping the sports seperate means that those people (like me) who aren't that keen on sports and won't pay for them, may still pay for a sport free HBO Max service in the future.
At least I wasn't the only one then! ;)

If WBD did end up marketing an HBO Max app in the UK, I can envisage it providing options to subscribe to entertainment (HBO TV, Warner Bros Films) Sport (TNT) and Factual (Discovery). WBD may be interested in the money from also selling HBO content to Sky but I'm not sure they would be so keen to see it on Now TV, so perhaps not.

I think for the forseeable future, WBD will maintain the linear channels as the benefits outweigh the costs. Particularly as they will need them for the pubs and clubs market. But it's possible that some less popular content will be streamed only to reduce the channel portfolio when the Eurosport brand is dropped here.

TimeLord2018 22-02-2023 07:38
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HBO Max or WB Max or whatever the combined service will have a sport tiers , the entertainment tier might well include 'Discovery+' content.

1andrew1 22-02-2023 11:51
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Originally Posted by TimeLord2018 (Post 36146597)
HBO Max or WB Max or whatever the combined service will have a sport tiers , the entertainment tier might well include 'Discovery+' content.
Yup.

I think the interesting thing is whether they take the fight to Sky in the UK and offer a fully-fledged streaming service with sport, entertainment and factual content and prioritise HBO content for this. Or whether they prefer to take Sky's money for HBO content and have a slimmer streaming offer.

Gavin-D 22-02-2023 19:59
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I've seen a few posts on the VM forum about dark picture on the Sky Sports UHD channels. Would my TV be suitable?

https://www.currys.co.uk/products/sa...-10221998.html

Horizon 22-02-2023 22:39
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36146619)
Yup.

I think the interesting thing is whether they take the fight to Sky in the UK and offer a fully-fledged streaming service with sport, entertainment and factual content and prioritise HBO content for this. Or whether they prefer to take Sky's money for HBO content and have a slimmer streaming offer.
I don't think they'll take the fight to Sky, because they will be Sky!

Many pundits believe that Sky's owner Comcast, will merge/buy Warner Bros Discovery in the next few years.

TimeLord2018 22-02-2023 22:56
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36146619)
Yup.

I think the interesting thing is whether they take the fight to Sky in the UK and offer a fully-fledged streaming service with sport, entertainment and factual content and prioritise HBO content for this. Or whether they prefer to take Sky's money for HBO content and have a slimmer streaming offer.
It looks like the plans are One-Stop Shop for Sports and Entertainment in U.K based on this article last May.

https://variety.com/2022/sports/glob...jv-1235265074/

OLD BOY 22-02-2023 23:23
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Originally Posted by Horizon (Post 36146696)
I don't think they'll take the fight to Sky, because they will be Sky!

Many pundits believe that Sky's owner Comcast, will merge/buy Warner Bros Discovery in the next few years.
That’s right and NBC Universal as well.

1andrew1 23-02-2023 00:05
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Originally Posted by Horizon (Post 36146696)
I don't think they'll take the fight to Sky, because they will be Sky!

Many pundits believe that Sky's owner Comcast, will merge/buy Warner Bros Discovery in the next few years.
I very much doubt it will happen or why would WBD bother to acquire 50% of BT Sport?

A combination of Comcast and Paramount is more likely and they do already co-operate in some European territories via the Sky Showtime service.
https://www.bing.com/search?q=sky+pa...st=5&FORM=PERE

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Originally Posted by TimeLord2018 (Post 36146697)
It looks like the plans are One-Stop Shop for Sports and Entertainment in U.K based on this article last May.

https://variety.com/2022/sports/glob...jv-1235265074/
Good find.

Rillington 23-02-2023 12:51
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What coems to mind is the level of availability of TNT Sports to VM customers.

Currently, XL (or whatever it is called these days) customer have BT Sport as part of that package, as had been the case with ESPN and originally Setanta Sports. Will Warner allow this to continue? Also, will Eurosport's content disappear behind a subscription paywall, making it only available if you pay £30/month (or whatever BT Sport costs for satellite customers).

Horizon 23-02-2023 13:27
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36146703)
I very much doubt it will happen or why would WBD bother to acquire 50% of BT Sport?

A combination of Comcast and Paramount is more likely and they do already co-operate in some European territories via the Sky Showtime service.
The American regulators will never allow that because it would bring two of their big two networks, NBC and CBS, together. Although I guess they could sell one of them, but what would be the point?

A Comcast/WBD makes more sense, especially so in regards to sports rights, because its all about the tech giants now and it has been since Murdoch sold off most of his empire.

Apple, Amazon and Google are serious about sports rights, Mircosoft has yet to show its hand, so a newly enlarged Sky/NBC/WBD may reckon it'll be big enough to compete against Big Tech. But I have always been guided by what Murdoch said when he sold out, and he said he couldn't compete against the tech giants. If he couldn't, neither can any of the other traditional Hollywood/media companies either.

In the States, Apple has already won Major Leaague Soccer rights and baseball rights and I expect Apple to continue bidding for more sports rights in the future. Although, it went head to head with Google over some of the NFL rights currently held by DirectTV, but backed out. Despite Apple's deep pockets, 2 billion dollars a year was too much for them, but not for Google.

Likewise, over recent years, Amazon has been building up significant sports right too. From some NFL rights in the States to UEFA and some premiership rights in the UK. That will just continue.

And finally, bidding for the premier league rights starts this year and Big Tech is going to be heavily invested in that. In this article I am linking below, I found it interesting that eight of the clubs are now 100% American owned.

I have always said the goal is for the Big Tech to bid for global sports rights and so the sports can only be viewed on their respective streamers. It's happening in the States, but at the moment the football rights in the UK are only for UK viewers, but that will change at some point. Paying 10 billion quid a year for some global premierhship rights will seem like small fry in the future, as far as Big Tech is concerned. Sky, Disney, WBD etc cannot compete against that.

https://worldsoccertalk.com/tv/apple...ST-415657.html

TimeLord2018 23-02-2023 13:29
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I doubt wouldn't be allowed to own both Sport networks in the UK and US.

Where did this rumour come from ?

Horizon 23-02-2023 13:40
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Rillington (Post 36146753)
What coems to mind is the level of availability of TNT Sports to VM customers.

Currently, XL (or whatever it is called these days) customer have BT Sport as part of that package, as had been the case with ESPN and originally Setanta Sports. Will Warner allow this to continue? Also, will Eurosport's content disappear behind a subscription paywall, making it only available if you pay £30/month (or whatever BT Sport costs for satellite customers).
I reckon they'll have may have one channel left in the future which they'll use to promote their streaming service and that channel will remain free.

What deals they do with VM remains to be seen, perhaps they'll do what Sky are currently doing and bundling Discovery+ into the XL bundle.

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Originally Posted by TimeLord2018 (Post 36146765)
I doubt wouldn't be allowed to own both Sport networks in the UK and US.

Where did this rumour come from ?
There's a global language that trumps everything else and it's called money. What seems unlikely today, will be the norm in the future, I reckon. Unless Big Tech start to run into problems and have to start saving their pennies.

Phunkenstein 23-02-2023 13:46
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Horizon (Post 36146764)
The American regulators will never allow that because it would bring two of their big two networks, NBC and CBS, together. Although I guess they could sell one of them, but what would be the point?

A Comcast?WBD makes more sense, especially so in regards to sports rights, because its all about the tech giants now and it has been since Murdoch sold off most of his empire.

Apple, Amazon and Google are serious about sports rights, Mircosoft has yet to show its hand, so a newly enlarged Sky/NBC/WBD may reckon it'll be big enough to compete against Big Tech. But I have always been guided by what Murdoch said when he sold out, and he said he couldn't compete against the tech giants. If he couldn't, neither can any of the other traditional Hollywood/media companies either.

In the States, Apple has already won Major Leaague Soccer rights and baseball rights and I expect Apple to continue bidding for more sports rights in the future. Although, it went head to head with Google over some of the NFL rights currently held by DirectTV, but backed out. Despite Apple's deep pockets, 2 billion dollars a year was too much for them, but not for Google.

Likewise, over recent years, Amazon has been building up significant sports right too. From some NFL rights in the States to UEFA and some premiership rights in the UK. That will just continue.

And finally, bidding for the premier league rights starts this year and Big Tech is going to be heavily invested in that. In this article I am linking below, I found it interesting that eight of the clubs are now 100% American owned.

I have always said the goal is for the Big Tech to bid for global sports rights and so the sports can only be viewed on their respective streamers. It's happening in the States, but at the moment the football rights in the UK are only for UK viewers, but that will change at some point. Paying 10 billion quid a year for some global premierhship rights will seem like small fry in the future, as far as Big Tech is concerned. Sky, Disney, WBD etc cannot compete against that.

https://worldsoccertalk.com/tv/apple...ST-415657.html
I think for the most parts, some of the big tech giants are actually far more prudent than some give them credit for… I think there’s does seem to be an assumption they can just offer anything and take what they want from the table when it’s apparent that isn’t the case… you rightly mention Apple and Sunday Ticket (especially more awkward as reports indicate Apple were asking for things that weren’t even on the table!) and Amazon are being fairly disciplined about things like football (the recent UCL deal in Italy where they just opted to hold onto their one game per round as opposed to some big splashy blow everyone out the water deal) and letting things go like the ATP/WTA… if anything I think Amazon are behaving more like a disciplined broadcaster than a cash rich spender!

I think Apple do want big, global and with everything in rights and I think that might actually be the right move for the likes of MLS who are struggling to scale in their own country let alone the rest of the world as well as other smaller players (who I think will be watching that MLS deal with interest) but I think some of the bigger tier one sports, though they may move more and more inventory to streaming are more inclined to hedge themselves a bit by spreading the wealth either in their home markets or key territories rather than committing themselves to a single partner globally where they may essentially be at the mercy of that one partner. F1 as an example of someone who have been furiously tying up new deals globally with existing partners (even though they may be the one best placed for a big f*** off global deal), NFL keeping their home territory mainly on linear with multiple partners and then that recent DAZN deal to offload Game Pass and even Big Ten college football spreading the wealth amongst US linear (and avoiding Amazon who offered a big number for the game that I believe went to CBS on Saturday afternoons).

I think what the NBA do in the next couple of years with their tv rights is going to be an interesting one to see - I won’t be surprised if they split their US inventory even more but maybe do something a bit more scaled outside of the US.

Horizon 23-02-2023 14:25
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I think you're right, the Big Tech won't just throw money away, but at the moment it's all about positioning and seeing who'll be number one. That takes a lot of money, especially if they end up, as I expect they will, buying up all the old Hollywood companies.

But I kind of hinted at it in my previous post, but at some point I expect Big Tech to cut out the "middle man" and as an example, they'll directly own the premierhship clubs. A new UK sports regulator has just been set up today in the expectation of changes to come, so expect fireworks on this front in the future. (makes good entertainment, if nothing else)

Aguero9320 23-02-2023 14:29
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A Comcast/WBD combination would be interesting for the UK sports market. Would the CMA allow Sky's 11 channels, and TNT's seven, under common ownership? My answer is: probably not.

Phunkenstein 23-02-2023 15:07
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Originally Posted by Aguero9320 (Post 36146783)
A Comcast/WBD combination would be interesting for the UK sports market. Would the CMA allow Sky's 11 channels, and TNT's seven, under common ownership? My answer is: probably not.
Assuming a Comcast/WBD merger was even allowed (and I have my doubts it would pass unless they can somehow position it as a big shield against a big tech monopoly) I think it’s likely there would need to be some serious divestments or spins to make it happen… suspect on this side of the Atlantic it’s obviously sports like TNT and Eurosport more so than entertainment whereas in the US, it’s issues like CNN and MSNBC and flagship channels like TNT and USA.

My honest thought is that Comcast themselves are probably only interested in the prominent creative assets such as the studio, the library, DC, Potter and HBO… think they’d be happy to let a lot of the tv assets go as I’m not sure how additive they are for them.

Horizon 23-02-2023 15:17
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Aguero9320 (Post 36146783)
A Comcast/WBD combination would be interesting for the UK sports market. Would the CMA allow Sky's 11 channels, and TNT's seven, under common ownership? My answer is: probably not.
Don't see in it number of channels, as the primary "broadcast" method of these companies are their streaming services now, but see it in how big of a share of the sports market would the combination have, especially on specific sports like football.

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Originally Posted by Phunkenstein (Post 36146789)
My honest thought is that Comcast themselves are probably only interested in the prominent creative assets such as the studio, the library, DC, Potter and HBO… think they’d be happy to let a lot of the tv assets go as I’m not sure how additive they are for them.
Any Sky/WBD merger, would in itself only be a stepping stone until one of the Big Tech gobbles them up, in the same way that its believed that Apple will bid for Disney in the next two years.

Phunkenstein 23-02-2023 15:34
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Originally Posted by Horizon (Post 36146790)
Don't see in it number of channels, as the primary "broadcast" method of these companies are their streaming services now, but see it in how big of a share of the sports market would the combination have, especially on specific sports like football.

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Any Sky/WBD merger, would in itself only be a stepping stone until one of the Big Tech gobbles them up, in the same way that its believed that Apple will bid for Disney in the next two years.
I’m not as convinced as you that the studios are all simply big tech wormfood… I think we’d already be in that arms race if that was the case and given the pain Amazon went through for a terrible asset like MGM, I’m not yet convinced big tech really wants the bother of running a legacy studio business if they can build something bespoke and play for talent and licensing themselves.

Apple and Disney feel like a natural fit but even then I don’t seem convinced they’d have the enthusiasm to blow 150 Billion on it and deal with legacy assets and theme parks.

More inclined to think we may see the current 5 turn into 3 or 4 much like the record industry now stands.

Let’s come back here in a few years and see right or wrong we were haha!

Horizon 23-02-2023 16:18
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Wormfood in the sense, that the Big Tech want to be the Hollywood players. Whether they buy the legacy companies or oubid them for rights, who can know for sure, but the tech cos have shown their hand with all this bidding for sports rights. They can't all win, can they?

On reduction of companies, yes. If Sky and WBD merge, that brings the number down of the legacy companies from the original Big Six hollywood companies to the Big Four, but then on top of that there is Apple, Amazon, Google and Mirosoft. I really don't think that eight global streamers can exist and all be profitable, but we'll see.

On MGM, that's early days yet. We'll have to wait for the first "Amazon" James Bond film, to see how that all pans out.

jfman 23-02-2023 16:46
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Aguero9320 (Post 36146783)
A Comcast/WBD combination would be interesting for the UK sports market. Would the CMA allow Sky's 11 channels, and TNT's seven, under common ownership? My answer is: probably not.
There’s never been more actors in the market (or threatening to join the market). Could it be demonstrated it’d harm consumer choice? Threaten the value of rights to leagues and sporting bodies?

(I’m not saying they would allow it, but previously Sky have been far more dominant in the market on their own, with regulation of the wholesale price of Sky Sports 1 and 2).

Horizon 23-02-2023 17:22
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Yeah, as I see, it's just a change of the name badge.

Sky used to be top dog and in the near future it'll be Amazon, Apple etc exchanging blows (keeping it on the sports topic.;)) instead.

Whether it was better before when Sky controlled everything, or whether we prefer a multiude of players now, is debateable. It certainly ain't cheaper now, that's for sure.

Edit: just to step back from that for a second jfman, there are multiple players, but the point of the Big Tech cos is they are trillion/2 trillion dollar companies. They can compete with each other, but no one else on the planet has their deep pockets. So, we need to look at them four and then everyone else. In that context. Disney, Warner, Universal, Paramount etc are tier two, Big Tech is tier one.

A massive gap between the two tiers of companies.

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Originally Posted by Aguero9320 (Post 36146783)
A Comcast/WBD combination would be interesting for the UK sports market. Would the CMA allow Sky's 11 channels, and TNT's seven, under common ownership? My answer is: probably not.
And just to add, if the new regulator wants to be anal about it, they can do what's been happening in the States. So, they take the premiership rights and slice them into even smaller bundles of rights. This would allow more companies to join in the bidding process and restrictions could be put in place on how many sets of rights any one company can own.

Wouldn't it be "great", if four or five companies owned premiership rights and if you wanted to watch all the matches, you would have to pay for several services....?

ozsat 23-02-2023 17:24
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VirginMedia #534 has had Sky Sports F1 HDR for a few days now - and it now has the on-screen dog too.

Phunkenstein 23-02-2023 17:28
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Horizon (Post 36146801)
Wormfood in the sense, that the Big Tech want to be the Hollywood players. Whether they buy the legacy companies or oubid them for rights, who can know for sure, but the tech cos have shown their hand with all this bidding for sports rights. They can't all win, can they?

On reduction of companies, yes. If Sky and WBD merge, that brings the number down of the legacy companies from the original Big Six hollywood companies to the Big Four, but then on top of that there is Apple, Amazon, Google and Mirosoft. I really don't think that eight global streamers can exist and all be profitable, but we'll see.

On MGM, that's early days yet. We'll have to wait for the first "Amazon" James Bond film, to see how that all pans out.
I think the danger there is thinking the 4 aforementioned tech giants all want to do the same thing and have the same strategic intent when there’s no way to presume that at all.

Apple and Amazon? Sure they’re spending money on tv, film and sports now but it’s not core to their business, it’s a way in to their ecosystem and services… if the day comes they realise all that cash is not worth the outlay to the larger business, they have no attachments and they will cut, run and it will be brutal. Right now? It’s a nice way to go to parties and meet stars but if it drags down the balance sheet? Different story! They won’t burn cash endlessly.

Google? They already have the biggest streaming platform on the planet and their only move in sports so far is a product that everyone thinks is too expensive anyway and it’s most likely going to be used to as a marketing and retention tool for a linear tv package!

Microsoft - they have a space in gaming the others don’t or have utterly failed at…. And right now I think they’re more likely to sink cash into OpenAI than Formula One rights.

(And honestly I see Google burning cash in the AI space than the tv business going forward)

Honestly if sports is going to be solved somehow I actually think it may be in the TVOS space… accessibility, bundling and discoverability is going to be the secret sauce I think and that’s where I think the real battle could end up being fought for streaming as a whole - and I actually think multiple streamers can exist…. Tv has never been an all or nothing business and no reason why that changes… I think the future ends up looking rather similar to the past!

Horizon 23-02-2023 17:51
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Agree.

The tv business may not be the core business for Big Tech, but they're outspending the traditional companies now, in several different areas.

It's hardly set in stone and as you say, the companies have different priorities which they can change about. But at the moment, they are spending billions on sports content. I believe that will continue and will impact the existing media companies, like with DirecTV's loss of its sports rights.

And on the last point yes, its all about the "home"" screen. What interface do consumers see when they switch on their devices and who controls that interface.

1andrew1 23-02-2023 19:08
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Horizon (Post 36146809)
Agree.

The tv business may not be the core business for Big Tech, but they're outspending the traditional companies now, in several different areas.

It's hardly set in stone and as you say, the companies have different priorities which they can change about. But at the moment, they are spending billions on sports content. I believe that will continue and will impact the existing media companies, like with DirecTV's loss of its sports rights.

And on the last point yes, its all about the "home"" screen. What interface do consumers see when they switch on their devices and who controls that interface.
In which areas are big tech outspending the incumbents? Apple and Amazon have only dabbled in sports.

The home screen is a good point to raise. It's something that may be more regulated in the UK in the future so the public service broadcasters don't lose out.

Horizon 23-02-2023 20:44
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36146816)
In which areas are big tech outspending the incumbents? Apple and Amazon have only dabbled in sports.
True, although it's still billions of dabbling, but I take the point.

For global sports rights, it may be different. The recent DAZN deal for NFL rights shows how it may go. (yes, I know DAZN is not Big Tech.:D)

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/other...-deal-29157246

1andrew1 23-02-2023 21:17
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Originally Posted by Horizon (Post 36146830)
True, although it's still billions of dabbling, but I take the point.

For global sports rights, it may be different. The recent DAZN deal for NFL rights shows how it may go. (yes, I know DAZN is not Big Tech.:D)

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/other...-deal-29157246
What are the £ billions deals that Amazon and Apple have dabbled in?

Horizon 23-02-2023 21:55
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Here's what Big Tech has got in the States:

Amazon - NFL ($1B per year)
Apple - MLB, MLS soccer ($2.5 deal)
Google - NFL ($2bn per year), MLB

NBA rights are up next and Big Tech is looking at them.

And muliple articles are saying that Apple is going to bid this year for premiership rights here in the UK.

jfman 24-02-2023 07:42
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When you consider the size of the market (330m+ people) those are quite small interventions. It’s also worth noting the primary rights (and more expensive!) for NFL games for each team in their home market are still with the likes of CBS, NBC, ABC and Fox paying a combined $11bn a year to 2033.

Apple’s MLS TV deal is a mere $250m a year for (non-exclusive in the US) worldwide rights for a decade.

None of this precludes the possibility that the big tech companies could enter the UK or European market at massive scale for sports rights. Or simply by taking over or merging with incumbent rights holders. I think it’s far from clear it’s the best use of the billions available though.

Horizon 24-02-2023 13:16
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We'll see if they'll try and nab Sky's footie rights this year. If they do that, I think the direction will be clear.

1andrew1 25-02-2023 00:11
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Horizon (Post 36146898)
We'll see if they'll try and nab Sky's footie rights this year. If they do that, I think the direction will be clear.
We may have to wait a little longer than that, as this article says the auction starts next year. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...TV-rights.html

Media Boy UK 28-02-2023 14:40
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EFL seeks broadcast rights bids

*Broadcasters got until March 22nd 5pm to make bid for rights
*Viaplay, DAZN, Sky Sports and BT Sport are all tipped to make bid in the process.

^DAZN are set to launch a TV Channel on Sky soon. Virgin have a DAZN PPV Channel right now.

https://advanced-television.com/2023...t-rights-bids/

1andrew1 28-02-2023 17:06
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Originally Posted by Media Boy UK (Post 36147136)
EFL seeks broadcast rights bids

*Broadcasters got until March 22nd 5pm to make bid for rights
*Viaplay, DAZN, Sky Sports and BT Sport are all tipped to make bid in the process.

^DAZN are set to launch a TV Channel on Sky soon. Virgin have a DAZN PPV Channel right now.

https://advanced-television.com/2023...t-rights-bids/
I think the EFL would suffer poor visibility if it's not on a large channel.

I also doubt sufficient people would pay to subscribe to Viaplay or DAZN for it, but if it's on TNT Sports (ex-BT Sport) or Sky then existing subscribers may end up watching it.

ozsat 28-02-2023 17:08
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VirginMedia #534 now carrying programme details for Sky Sports F1 UHD - as well as video/audio.

Media Boy UK 28-02-2023 17:21
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36147142)
I think the EFL would suffer poor visibility if it's not on a large channel.

I also doubt sufficient people would pay to subscribe to Viaplay or DAZN for it, but if it's on TNT Sports (ex-BT Sport) or Sky then existing subscribers may end up watching it.
If Sky make a bid the EPL will go with them due to the ITV Digital carry on from a 2001/2002 season.

TimeLord2018 28-02-2023 17:37
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The EFL were happy to take Viaplay money elsewhere though
https://www.svgeurope.org/blog/headl...across-europe/

Other than Sky, I think there the most likely.

jfman 28-02-2023 17:38
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Media Boy UK (Post 36147136)
EFL seeks broadcast rights bids

*Broadcasters got until March 22nd 5pm to make bid for rights
*Viaplay, DAZN, Sky Sports and BT Sport are all tipped to make bid in the process.

^DAZN are set to launch a TV Channel on Sky soon. Virgin have a DAZN PPV Channel right now.

https://advanced-television.com/2023...t-rights-bids/
If true good that they’ve learned from their Serie A debacle that the internet isn’t up to it.

Media Boy UK 28-02-2023 17:51
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36147147)
If true good that they’ve learned from their Serie A debacle that the internet isn’t up to it.
DAZN 1 and PPV testing on Sky, having received their Ofcom broadcasting licence.

https://twitter.com/a516digital/stat...64596751294465

Story and link was reported and posted on February 17th.

ozsat 28-02-2023 18:37
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There is a PPV (AEW Revolution) this weekend on VirginMedia and DAZN - not seen any mention for Sky.

TimeLord2018 28-02-2023 21:01
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On subject of DAZN, DAZN and ITV reportedly snap up IPL rights in the UK as part of a 5 year deal
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Sports streaming subscription service DAZN and free-to-air (FTA) broadcaster ITV have landed live broadcast rights in the UK for the Indian Premier League (IPL), according to the Daily Mail.

The deal, which kicks in from this season’s edition of the domestic franchise Twenty20 cricket tournament, will reportedly run for five years.

DAZN has purportedly secured the lion’s share of fixtures and will stream 58 IPL games per season, including the playoffs and final. ITV will broadcast 16 regular season matches each year.
https://www.sportspromedia.com/news/...rights-uk-sky/

vincerooney 04-03-2023 01:02
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I've been moved after complaining to Maxit TV and Volt Gig 1.

Yet i dont have the sky UHD channels and they say i need to subscribe.... ? Any advice?


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