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1andrew1 13-08-2025 18:43
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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36201050)
Yes, offshore processing.

That's how Australia did it.

That was how, given a chance, Rwanda would have worked.
The Rwanda scheme was deemed unlawful by the UK's Supreme Court, so it couldn't have worked. The court cited concerns about Rwanda not being a safe country for refugees, citing potential risks of returning refugees to persecution and Rwanda's human rights record.

If the government of the day had wanted it to work, they would have worked with a country with a good human rights record. But would that country want failed immigrants to the UK and how much would they charge the UK?

Sephiroth 13-08-2025 19:01
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36201059)
The Rwanda scheme was deemed unlawful by the UK's Supreme Court, so it couldn't have worked. The court cited concerns about Rwanda not being a safe country for refugees, citing potential risks of returning refugees to persecution and Rwanda's human rights record.

If the government of the day had wanted it to work, they would have worked with a country with a good human rights record. But would that country want failed immigrants to the UK and how much would they charge the UK?
I think you're wrong.

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On 15 November 2023, the UK’s Supreme Court declared the policy unlawful because Rwanda was not a safe country to which asylum seekers could be removed. In response to the judgment of the Supreme Court, the government published a new treaty with Rwanda, which provides for additional safeguards, and introduced new legislation, which declares that Rwanda is a safe country for asylum seekers. On 25 April 2024, the UK’s treaty with Rwanda was ratified, and the Safety of Rwanda (Asylum and Immigration) Act 2024 became law and is now in force.
https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.u...ers-to-rwanda/

Hugh 13-08-2025 19:08
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36201058)
FOI request to the Home Office (FOI/2024/01244) indicates that technology is employed.

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Freedom of Information request – FOI/2024/01244

Annex B

You asked for the following:

1. How are small boats and migrants detected, and by whom?
2. What technological means and methods are employed for detection?
3. How is detection data processed? And a clarification, equally numbered 1. And 2.

Response

I confirm that the Home Office holds the information that you seek. However, we have concluded that such information would be exempt from disclosure under Section 31(1)(a), (b) and (e) of the FOIA, as release of this information could prejudice the detection or prevention of crime, the apprehension or prosecution of offenders, and the operation of the
immigration controls.

Section 31 of the FOIA is a qualified exemption and requires consideration of the public interest test. We have concluded the public interest lies in favour of withholding the information. Arguments for and against disclosure in terms of public interest, with the reasons for our conclusion, are set out in Annex C.
https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/reque...ponse.pdf.html

It says it won’t discuss what methods are used, not what methods are used - it is supposition in your part to assume this includes technology to find small boats.

papa smurf 13-08-2025 19:13
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1 turn on AIS system
2 locate French coastguard vessel
3 ohh look it's shadowing a small boat full of migrants

Pierre 13-08-2025 19:26
Re: Starmer’s chronicles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36201059)
The Rwanda scheme was deemed unlawful by the UK's Supreme Court, so it couldn't have worked. The court cited concerns about Rwanda not being a safe country for refugees, citing potential risks of returning refugees to persecution and Rwanda's human rights record.

If the government of the day had wanted it to work, they would have worked with a country with a good human rights record. But would that country want failed immigrants to the UK and how much would they charge the UK?
As per Seph.

Problem was Labour opposed the scheme in opposition, obviously.

So because of their bloody mindedness, they scrapped it immediately, with no alternative plan to replace it.

Champagne all round for the human traffickers, they’ve been bathing in it since. Starmer has made sure their business plan remains lucrative.

And while it is lucrative they’ll keep sending the boats.

thenry 13-08-2025 19:29
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David Lammy has referred himself to the environment watchdog after an "administrative oversight" meant he went fishing with JD Vance without a rod licence.

https://news.sky.com/story/david-lam...vance-13411064
:LOL: he'll get a warning.

papa smurf 13-08-2025 19:48
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Originally Posted by thenry (Post 36201065)
:LOL: he'll get a warning.
they just make you buy a license, which he has now done

Sephiroth 13-08-2025 19:54
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36201062)
It says it won’t discuss what methods are used, not what methods are used - it is supposition in your part to assume this includes technology to find small boats.
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Planes with radar, hi-tech cameras and sensors to be used to spot Channel migrants

Home Office hires second aircraft equipped with radar, hi-tech cameras and sensors to join mini-airforce that includes drones

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...hannel-spring/

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The Home Office has revealed plans to put in place a near-£15m deal to increase the use of automated tech and artificial intelligence systems in its surveillance of small-boat Channel crossings.

The proposed contract – details of which have emerged just as the leaders of the UK and France announce a new joint plan for tackling small boats – forms part of government’s wider “intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance (ISR) package”, according to a newly published commercial notice.

The document sets out specifications for technology deployed on land in the UK. These systems should allow government’s Channel Operations team to “reliably and autonomously detect, track, and identify small boats at range, fusing this with data generated by existing platforms, and presenting it to end users”. The new tech systems will cover movements in the UK’s territorial waters around “the Dover Strait from Ramsgate to Hastings”, which encompasses a range a range of 12 nautical miles from the Kent coast.
https://www.publictechnology.net/202...-surveillance/

Itshim 13-08-2025 19:54
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36201068)
they just make you buy a license, which he has now done
Despite the environment agency, saying it will always prosecute, as there is no excuse. Good to see that labour politicians are above the law.

thenry 13-08-2025 20:17
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36201068)
they just make you buy a license, which he has now done
Is that license to kill :naughty:

Carth 13-08-2025 20:35
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Planes with radar, hi-tech cameras and sensors to be used to spot Channel migrants
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The Home Office has revealed plans to put in place a near-£15m deal to increase the use of automated tech and artificial intelligence systems in its surveillance of small-boat Channel crossings.
Once spotted, are they then 'collected' and brought to the UK, or is their location given to the French coastguard?

If they're brought ashore here it doesn't seem a good way of deterring them :D

OLD BOY 13-08-2025 20:36
Re: Starmer’s chronicles
 
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36201059)
The Rwanda scheme was deemed unlawful by the UK's Supreme Court, so it couldn't have worked. The court cited concerns about Rwanda not being a safe country for refugees, citing potential risks of returning refugees to persecution and Rwanda's human rights record.

If the government of the day had wanted it to work, they would have worked with a country with a good human rights record. But would that country want failed immigrants to the UK and how much would they charge the UK?
Or just changed the legislation!

Why do successive governments keep painting themselves into a corner?

Carth 13-08-2025 20:38
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36201073)
Why do successive governments keep painting themselves into a corner?
Hey, if you've got a skill why not always use it :rofl:

papa smurf 13-08-2025 20:39
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Originally Posted by thenry (Post 36201071)
Is that license to kill :naughty:
no it's catch and return [alive]

thenry 13-08-2025 20:43
Re: Starmer’s chronicles
 
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36201075)
no it's catch and return [alive]
Now he's got a rod license any chance of him hooking Diane Abbotts wig :D


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