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Sephiroth 15-07-2021 18:02
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36086347)
With 50 dead in Belgium and Germany from flooding, you can understand why they are looking at such plans.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-europe-57853014
Nothing they will/can stop the floods. I lived in Poland 30 years ago - the annual floods in July/August overran whole swathes of the Vistula 'valley', including Warsaw. The ODRA on the German/Polish border flooded Wroclaw in 1997 - I was there too.

Climate change - bah humbug. Whatever we reverse now (if anything can be reversed at that level) will have no effect for a very long time.

Ooh, stop eating meat and tomorrow no floods .

Carth 15-07-2021 18:26
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36086353)
I'm not sure that's a valid argument for not trying.
I'm not saying they shouldn't try. I have no problem with people trying, in fact I'm getting to quite enjoy watching people waste their time on lost causes . . of which there seems to be an abundance

Sephiroth 15-07-2021 18:33
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
Bringing EU matters back into important focus: Paywall link - https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-ne...aign=DM1462311

Curated quotes:

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Poland stokes fears of EU exit as court defies bloc over reforms

Poland's membership of the EU was plunged into uncertainty on Wednesday after its judges defied a European court order to reverse some of its controversial judicial reforms.

Stanisław Piotrowicz, a senior Polish judge, said that interim measures by the EU’s highest court, which ordered Warsaw to suspend the reforms, were “not in line” with the Polish constitution.

The defiant ruling is the first of two verdicts due to be issued this week by Polish judges which appear to question a fundamental requirement of EU membership: that EU law takes precedence over national laws.
Glorious, albeit that the row is about an ant-democratic law that Poland recently institutes (political appointment of a judges' star chamber). I'm not confident, though, that a referendum would produce a majority for exiting the EU.



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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36086353)
I'm not sure that's a valid argument for not trying.
Pissing in the wind would cover that.

Carth 15-07-2021 18:37
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
The EU aren't all that happy with things going on in Hungary either . . it's all starting to kick off :Yes:

Decided to add a link . . . just an opinion piece on Aljazeera, but it's a very good read with some classy touches about some reactions from the toothless EU :D

https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2...y-break-the-eu

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Despite regular frustrated speeches by EU leaders and in the Parliament denouncing Hungary’s moves, none of these approaches have stopped Hungary from drifting away from EU ideals.
*orders extra popcorn

Hugh 15-07-2021 21:56
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36086354)
Nothing they will/can stop the floods. I lived in Poland 30 years ago - the annual floods in July/August overran whole swathes of the Vistula 'valley', including Warsaw. The ODRA on the German/Polish border flooded Wroclaw in 1997 - I was there too.

Climate change - bah humbug. Whatever we reverse now (if anything can be reversed at that level) will have no effect for a very long time.

Ooh, stop eating meat and tomorrow no floods .
Well, I think it’s worth making an effort for my children and grandchildren…

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36086358)
Bringing EU matters back into important focus: Paywall link - https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-ne...aign=DM1462311

Curated quotes:



Glorious, albeit that the row is about an ant-democratic law that Poland recently institutes (political appointment of a judges' star chamber). I'm not confident, though, that a referendum would produce a majority for exiting the EU.



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Pissing in the wind would cover that.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36086360)
The EU aren't all that happy with things going on in Hungary either . . it's all starting to kick off :Yes:

Decided to add a link . . . just an opinion piece on Aljazeera, but it's a very good read with some classy touches about some reactions from the toothless EU :D

https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2...y-break-the-eu

*orders extra popcorn
Well, since Poland and Hungary are the two biggest recipients of EU money, win-win…;)

(nearly 17 billion Euros per year)

Sephiroth 15-07-2021 22:02
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
I'm merely interested in the EU's implosion.

Hugh 15-07-2021 22:09
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
Pretty sure saving 17 billion euros a year will adversely affect Poland and Hungary more than the EU saving that amount…

1andrew1 15-07-2021 22:15
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36086389)
I'm merely interested in the EU's implosion.
Sadly, I fear that if you substitute UK for EU then you will be closer to being on the money.

Sephiroth 15-07-2021 22:20
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36086395)
Sadly, I fear that if you substitute UK for EU then you will be closer to being on the money.
... well, there is that!

Carth 15-07-2021 22:25
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36086392)
Pretty sure saving 17 billion euros a year will adversely affect Poland and Hungary more than the EU saving that amount…
A potential saving of 17 Billion Euros a year would be a nice windfall for the EU . . but only if they can remove Hungary & Poland from it.

A snippet from my link in a post above, it's quite funny in a way, and the part in bold is like icing on the cake ;)

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For more meaningful effect, the EU could resort to a sanction mechanism known as Article 7, to address serious and persistent breaches of EU values, including the rule of law, democracy and the respect for human dignity and human life. This could lead to removing voting rights for the offending country. Both Hungary and its close ally, Poland, which is also engaging in a degree of democratic backsliding of its own, have faced the Article 7 process, but ironically, it is EU rules themselves which have prevented the EU from taking any meaningful action, as sanctions require a unanimous agreement from EU states. Hungary and Poland simply veto their respective cases to look after each other. There is also, bizarrely, no mechanism to kick out an EU member state against its will and, therefore, little incentive for Hungary to change its win-win formula.

TheDaddy 16-07-2021 02:02
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36086395)
Sadly, I fear that if you substitute UK for EU then you will be closer to being on the money.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36086397)
... well, there is that!
As long as we all implode it's fine

Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36086398)
A potential saving of 17 Billion Euros a year would be a nice windfall for the EU . . but only if they can remove Hungary & Poland from it.

A snippet from my link in a post above, it's quite funny in a way, and the part in bold is like icing on the cake ;)
Is 17 billion a lot for a country, I suppose it is really, even one bloc sized, probably 10% of the budget freed up to spaff up the wall as bozo so eloquently put it

jonbxx 16-07-2021 10:21
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
Slightly under the radar but it seems like Steve Barclay stated in parliament yesterday that we might be looking to opt back in to Horizon (scientific research), Copernicus (GPS for Europe) and Euratom (nuclear regulation) with the UK making a 'proportionate contribution'

See here at 15:30

Sephiroth 16-07-2021 10:33
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
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Originally Posted by jonbxx (Post 36086431)
Slightly under the radar but it seems like Steve Barclay stated in parliament yesterday that we might be looking to opt back in to Horizon (scientific research), Copernicus (GPS for Europe) and Euratom (nuclear regulation) with the UK making a 'proportionate contribution'

See here at 15:30
I approve - as long as those nasties don't control us politically or diplomatically.

I'd also prefer them not to threaten us with vaccine shortage, not to deliberately make life difficult for NI through their inflexible
protocol interpretation plus a long list that I won't further bore you with.

1andrew1 16-07-2021 10:52
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jonbxx (Post 36086431)
Slightly under the radar but it seems like Steve Barclay stated in parliament yesterday that we might be looking to opt back in to Horizon (scientific research), Copernicus (GPS for Europe) and Euratom (nuclear regulation) with the UK making a 'proportionate contribution'

See here at 15:30
It was just the government being puritanical and not pragmatic that ended our membership of these bodies. As I said to Seph, our relationship with the EU will grow closer by necessity, it's not a binary relationship and Steve Barclay's statement further underlines that point.

Chris 16-07-2021 11:41
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36086435)
It was just the government being puritanical and not pragmatic that ended our membership of these bodies. As I said to Seph, our relationship with the EU will grow closer by necessity, it's not a binary relationship and Steve Barclay's statement further underlines that point.
On the contrary - the negotiations, particularly around our involvement in Copernicus, became bogged down in the wider context of the treaty defining the UK’s future relationship with the EU. The EU believed our continuing access to the military-grade data generated by the system, a significant chunk of which was developed and paid for in the UK, was strategically so important to us that we would be desperate to retain it and that they could therefore use it to exact concessions. The UK negotiators therefore simply took it off the table and invested in OneWeb, in order to demonstrate the seriousness of its resolve.

Now the treaty is signed these issues can be addressed on their own terms, without those idiots in Brussels attempting to make European security contingent on fishing quotas.


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