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If you can’t disassociate legitimate criticism of Israel from antisemitism that says more about you than me, I’m afraid.

I’m not sure describing lobby groups as successful in steering political parties is an “extremely serious charge” given it is their objective to do so.

The pretence merely exists to delegitimise what is ostensibly a legitimate observation to make.

The alternative is they have no influence, unless of course it is pure chance that both major political parties have been broadly silent on the plight of the people of Gaza for too long. It’s a bad day when even Pierre, who robustly defended his position in that thread, is quicker to say Israel have gone too far before many of our politicians who still use mealy mouthed qualifications to avoid criticising Israel. You may insist this happens by chance however Occam’s razor would suggest it is by design.

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Nice attempt at a segue but I’m not having it. One moment you’re talking about unspecified pro-Israel lobbyists having political parties ‘in their pocket’ - a phrase which means rather more than ‘successful lobbying’ as you well know - the next you’re talking about legitimate criticism of the Israeli state. These are not all the same things.

For the record, I don’t think you’re a Jew-hating anti-Semite, but I do think you consume political commentary less critically than you ought to from what appears to be only one side of this whole mess.

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He used it as an excuse, either way it’s a perceived threat.

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yes and Who and what is the “pro-Israel” lobby?

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Yes. I am, until you offer evidence of such.

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I think my stance was that they’ve gone far enough.

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That’s a positive, I guess.

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So base your opinion on something that hasn't happened? Cool if that works for you but I prefer to base mine on facts, and what we know for certain. Such as the **** party's propensity for screwing us over for billions to go to their mates then blame it all on brown people in boats.

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Probably the best description of the Tories I have ever heard. Well said.

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68421116

68 Conservative MPs are landlords, purely coincidental....

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They won’t all be conservative MPs for much longer so need to keep the gravy rolling in.

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It would be nice if MPs could represent the constituents that voted them in rather then having their snouts permantly in the trough.

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Its not being a landlord that bothers me, what should bother you is they are trying to water down proposals to suit their own financial ends rather then support proposals which are desperately needed..

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Galloway wins the Rochdale by-election...

Well that's the put the cat amongst the pigeons... Meow... lol.

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endorsed by the BNP no less.

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l doubt whether the result will have much wider political significance.

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George Galloway was married 5 times and he was divorced twice. Yesterday, he introduced wife number 6 . Number 6, could be Muslim-South East Asian, this will help with the maths. Puzzled.