Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Please don't use the i*****d word. It could be, and has been, misinterpreted by the cable forum team in the past that you could be telling people to use the ignore feature when I know what you are actually trying to say is, don't respond to comments that are there purely to dilute the thread content.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

With regards to user agents and robots.txt it is important to note that there are 3 user agent strings involved!

1. The user agent string sent in headers for normal page requests (likely to be unaltered from the users)

2. The user agent string sent in the headers for the request of robots.txt (no idea what this will be)

3. The user agent (if any) used to match lines in the robots.txt file. (Maybe googlebot but who knows??)

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

You need to adopt the new Parasites.txt industry standard inclusion protocol. Its the inverse of the Robots.txt exclusion protocol, and its deny directives. Parasites.txt uses allow directives.

See parasitestxt.org.

I don't think Phorm have announced compliance yet, but they should.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Even though I was not directly suggesting that people should use the ignore feature, if it should be misinterpreted by a moderator then any infraction or moderation because of it would be overzealous seeing that a moderator has already directly suggested that the ignore feature should be used if you do not wish to see posts by particular members.

#9946

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Re: AVG8

I have AVG8 and I do have the option to remove the feature in question. So perhaps this feature just needs to be default off, when AVG8 is installed from a user viewpoint. Although from a website owners viewpoint this feature maybe definitely should be off.

Unfortunately with Phorm, the interception of your data would be happening whether you opt in or opt out according to latest analysis.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Done already... http://www.dephormation.org.uk/web_masters.html

Scroll down to Apache htaccess deny directives.

Set a custom ErrorDocument 403 /spywareblocked.htm (which could be a php forwarding page, or a redirect to your preferred message).

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

It depends on whether it is interpreted that you are telling members to do so against a particular member. I personally see nothing wrong with the post you reference by a mod. Anyhow we digress and for that I apologise.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

:D

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Argh! did you get a screenshot? or capture that? its vanished! That would have been a priceless keepsake.

Ahh Gottit! Its here http://blog.btbroadbandoffice.com/ar...ht-legisla.php

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Yes highly irregular maybe if this post was quoted in future under similar cicumstances.http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/34...-post9946.html

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

How apt that BT should quote legislation that they themselves are about to breach.

Perhaps BT should be directed here... http://www.ipo.gov.uk/crime.htm

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

And this is where BT/HO idea of implied consent for web sites breaks down.
In which case there's no implied consent for cookie authenticated sessions and no way for web masters without access to the robots.txt to opt out of Phorms profiler.

And until we're told what this will be, there's effectively no opt-out for site operators most of whom want publicly accessible pages to be indexed by google. Few want a 3rd party performing unauthorized interception.

I'm pretty sure Google would action that.

BT's hand waving about opting out is exactly that, those already in contact should start pressing them on it ;)

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Opt out bollards! ;)

It must be opt in.

That's what RIPA says. That's what Copyright requires by default.

Web masters are not obliged to help BT comply with the law. Complying with the law is BT's problem!

And what a challenging problem that seems to be. :redcard:

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

My thoughts exactly, but no reason not to put BT on the back foot with their own opt-out nonsense ;)

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Or here

Copyright applies to…computing and the internet

Love it. Maybe the ICO and HO should be pointed there as well

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

I didn't think she would have an answer for that one.

Still, the replies she has given you over the months, AND her constant unwillingness to address certain issues you raised, just show how dodgy this whole scheme is. So much for transparency. ;)

Thanks for a brilliant effort, Robert. :)

OB

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

is there any equiv for IIS 6.0?

peter

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

I have looked into it. There is a way to block individual IPs (if I recall correctly) but not a whole IP range... without writing a bit of ASP code.

There must be an MS guru out there who might chip in with something more insightful/accurate. If so, I'd be interested too.

Otherwise if you have a up market hardware router/firewall you might be able to lock BT out with a set of firewall rules, or you might be able to configure rules in a software firewall on your wintel box.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

hammy to be absolutely correct

04-05-07
"Online advertising firm 121Media Inc has become a wholly-owned subsidiary of newly-formed holding company Phorm Inc following a reorganisation, Phorm said."

that is create a new umbrela company, absorb the failing company whose public image and how it is perceived by the public means it cannot continue to trade (oh and don't forget the various legal agencies in the US taking a close interest in 121media due to peopleonpage and the root kit )

all this to try and get away from a tainted image, unfortunately this has been rumble and all the money spent rebranded has been for nothing

shame that, how is your mate kent feeling due to the low share price

din't he take out loans to buy them? or was it used them as security for loans?

with the current credit crisis would be a shame if the loan was called in O:-)


peter

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

I guess it's a challenging problem for BT because trying to gain compliance via an illegal act is something well worded and well designed laws attempt to prevent. There lies the rub. :)

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

I have no personal knowledge but this link might help if you want to block certain IP ranges.
http://forums.devshed.com/iis-97/blo...0t-161146.html

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Check out this post
http://www.west-wind.com/WebLog/posts/59731.aspx

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

I've sent a final farewell email saying I will respect her wishes and not contact her again, but meanwhile could she look at the BT Broadband Office blog page and also the http://www.ipo.gov.uk/crime.htm site and imagine being cross examined on their content in a criminal trial for copyright abuse. It seemed a nice thought to finish on.

---------- Post added at 21:52 ---------- Previous post was at 21:48 ----------

Look I have to take issue with that scurrilous accusation. Phorm did NOT waste lots of money rebranding. They nicked the logo, and the name of the company and they nicked the name of the product. After all they were already in use on the internet, so that made them fair game. The logo and the company name was copied from a very decent design company in Sheffield/Barnsley, and the product name was nicked from the BBC. I don't think any of their names/logos are copyrighted for that very reason - they were already nicked.

So you see your accusation that they wasted money on rebranding is very very unfair. They did it on the cheap. Virtually free in fact. Cool.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Now I think about it I did something similar in PHP for the Parasites team... (Its running on Wintel but has PHP).

Its very easy to do with pattern matching (if you're into regular expressions like me);


// Set banned IP range
// Phorm Comcast; 71.224.0.0-71.225.255.255 (71.225.148.61)
// Phorm HT Systems; 78.110.48.0-78.110.55.255 (78.110.48.130)
$targetAddr = array ("^71\.22[45]\.","^78\.110\.4[89]\.","^78\.110\.5[012345]\.");

foreach($targetAddr as $var)
{

if (ereg($var, $_SERVER['REMOTE_ADDR']))
{

echo "<html><head>";
echo "<meta http-equiv='refresh' content='2;url=http://www.google.com/search?q=fleas'>";
echo "<title>Scratch that itch!</title></head><body>";
echo "<p><img src='/images/flea.png' align='middle'><br/>Sorry, there seems to be a bug in our code.<br/>Thanks for jumping by.</p>";
echo "</body></html>";
exit;

}

}//End banned IP range

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

those don't help me a my site is hosted and i do not have access to iis manager, to make things a bit worse the site is html only, i can use scripts on the site as it has fp extension

if not i make have to bring it inhouse at home and then i can do what i want

may be a short term solution to get the point over to BT, i have dyndns setup so i can port forward to a server

peter

peter

---------- Post added at 22:06 ---------- Previous post was at 22:01 ----------

rob i did not say they spent a load of money, just "the money they spent" the logo and name came cheap but what about the time of " 5 PR AGENCIES" that would have been more than a round of drinks

peter

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Not quite accurate I'm afraid. The statement at the top of your post is taken from Phorm's application to AIM and only reflects a temporary state as at April 2007 during the transition from 121Media to Phorm. 121Media's shares - listed at the time as OTO and OTOM - have all been renamed in keeping with the change of the company's name and 121Media has been legally renamed as Phorm. There is no umbrella company.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Naa - the PR agencies were cheap too. Very cheap. I've seen their work. Not worth more than a tenner. Would you want the Phorm account in YOUR PR portfolio?
;)

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

There you go now you are disagreeing over HW's posts, Just what we need.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

If I'm not mistaken, I think Robert is actually joking. ;)

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Did not mean Robert

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Bluecar1 and I are just messing around. We get on really. And it was an opportunity for a reminder of the ethics "level" of Phorm when it comes to intellectual property belonging to others. Subterranean. They seem to want to occupy the ethical and moral low ground that their "wholly owned subsidiary" 121Media was so familiar with.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

might have found a solution to my iis ip blocking

*******
You have to just use this script in your default webpage so it will redirect to the site.

<script language="javascript">
var ip = <!--#echo var="REMOTE_ADDR"-->
if (ip <= '24.55.255.255') {
alert("STOP! You are not authorized to access this page!");
alert("Do not attempt to return, or your computer will begin a self-destruct sequence!");
if (confirm("Please leave now Or you will be forceably removed!"))
{location.href="http://www.google.com" } else { ("OK your choice, doesn't matter to me! SeeYa!"); {location.href="http://www.getalife.com" }} }
</script>
************

that useful to you as well pete, i will try and test this later as the hotel i am in has bt spyband

peter

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

I thought I'd apply the Turing Test to 'Ask Emma', see if I could tell whether it was really Emma or just automated replies.

I believe it passed;

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...008/07/102.jpg

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...008/07/103.jpg

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...008/07/104.jpg

I think I'd get the last one framed if I were Rob :)

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

I can read the humour and did not mean that.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

just seen this on iii BT page,

*******
This morning there was a report on Bloomberg that BT are going to expand their business in the Far East. They had a discussion with a senior BT manager from that part of the world and the whole outlook seemed very promising.

That is probably a major factor in today's price rise.
******

is this how phorm are going to expand around the world on the back of BT?

mind you i would not like to cross the law in some of those countries, seen on the web how they punish theives and adulteresses, let alone data pimps!!!!

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

LMAO That's hilarious.

:clap::clap::clap:

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Oh heck, I'm about to split my sides. :rofl:

Try this on Ask Emma;

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...008/07/105.jpg

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Just a quick hint for people who are interested in Phorm's previous rootkit activities, follow the road to CDT.

Alexander Hanff

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

"make your WEB BROWSING more relevant" ???

if thought it was only the adverts??

peter

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

If you are referring to mine and Peter's posts then there is no disagreement - just a minor correction of a fact relating to a defunct company.

We're certainly not disagreeing over someone else's post and I would expect Peter to correct me when I'm mistaken because I respect and welcome his input.

Please try to avoid posting comment like this because however well intended they can and will be taken and used out of context and, as you will already have noticed, your post has now required three attempts to try and reply to it.

If the "disagreement" you refer to is not between myself and Peter, it might save time if you clarified your comment to avoid any further confusion.

I'm sure that you meant well but your post comes across badly and rather suggests that the member here are too immature to discuss these issue and correct any misunderstandings without resorting to a fight. That is far from the truth and doesn't present a very good image. The reality is that this is a good natured discussion built around a large number of individuals who are more than capable of conducting a well reasoned and mature debate.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

what more call centres further away, hey if they go far enuff they may end up back where they started :)

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Phorm have been moving the deck chairs on the Titanic, ready for the final deep plunge no doubt.

http://www.phorm.com/

"All rights reserved. Copyright © 2008 Phorm, Inc." :doh:

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

nah, do phink so, acording to BT the world is phlat, the moon made of phull phat cheese and UK / EU law phail to apply to BT

Peter

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

They need to sack their web designer. He cannot even spell phorm. (My bold)

This will be a good measure of if they read this thread, lets see how long it is before its corrected.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

i see bt forum down for maint again, same time as last night so must be the backup slot

peter

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Probably not. BT invested a lot of money in the Far East and opened a Research and Development division there last September as well as a Technology and Service Centre in Dalian. They've been recruiting from Beijing University and it seems that the bulk of the work done over there relates to software support and business customers.

It's easy to lose perspctive with BT especially as they present the warm and cosy image in theie TV adverts but they are a huge global company and BT Total Broadband is just a ****-ant little division that does even make that much money for them.

When you realise that they are clearly aiming to compete with the likes of AT&T and AOL then you begin to understand just how big a deal Webwise really is and how much money is involved in the long term.

They are the Daleks of the UKs ISPs and all we have is a sonic screwdriver but... you know the rest of the story.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Now that's a deviously brilliant idea :D, I'd figured it would be better to manually pick out persistent cookie values on sites such as google, amazon, ebay, bbc etc, that you could use to uniquely identify the user, which with a lot of work you might eventually cover a fair number of the most popular sites, but completely overlooked all the tracking networks cookies!

Combine that lot together and fill in the blanks by using referrer, IP address + agent string and I think you'd have a very effective, transparent tracking system. You'd probably only need to occassionally tamper with the user's data stream to check for your opt-out cookie (in fact you might just as well only check for an opt-out cookie when their browser requests one of your adverts).

I guess it wouldn't be a bad idea to trick the user's browser into requesting various tracking sites by tampering with the traffic while they are visiting a site such as Google so you could link all the tracking cookies you're monitoring, plus their google/search engine login cookie and your own tracking cookie together more easily.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Just a quick note, I posted a 25% discount code on the T-Shirts post on NoDPI.Org unfortunately I don't know if it actually works as I never got the notification from spreadshirts until after I had already placed my order. So if anyone uses it please let me know if it works, it should give a 25% discount and free shipping, but it is only valid for the next 24 hours.

OK I HAVE RECEIVED CONFIRMATION THAT CODE DOESN'T WORK.

Alexander Hanff

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Phorm have gone cookie crazy. Every major page you visit on their site sets a new session cookie. Looks like a poor man web analytics.

How bizarre, every page has its own DNS sub domain.

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2008/07/57.png

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

More clutter or are they really such bad lot of scriptors?

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

nah , i phink they are trying to work out how cookies work so they understand how to phorge them :P

peter

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

in case anyone is wondering:
http://www.cdt.org/privacy/20051103istcomplaint.pdf

See http://www.inphormationdesk.org/attributions.htm for other attributions.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Every time Phorm get a PR release reprinted or a favorable writeup, we need to hammer the publisher with complaints. I think we can do much more damage to Phorm associates than we realise. Nobody wants to drink from a poison chalice!

Huntsworth are the parent company of Phorms PR firm.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

I just tried this out. I now know where Phorm got the algorithm to help the PhormPR team out with their cut and paste responses to questions and points made. Obviously, this model is a later model and is a little more sophisticated judging by the final Q&A you displayed regarding Rob.

Is it possible that this is where BT gets its legal advice from? It has been a big secret. I wonder if you may well have accidentally stumbled on the answer Pete.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Déja vu, anyone?
(My bold, btw)

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

I am actually going to contact CDT tomorrow and find out what the result of their complaint to the commission was and whether or not any damages were awarded. The reason being that the document states ContextPlus jumped the country and changed their whois details to a Paris address, so it could be that CDT was never able to receive damages from ContextPlus (aka 121Media). So being the responsible citizen I am it seems only right that I let them know where they can now find Kent in order to retrieve said damages.

Oh and lets not forget, 121Media was "transferred" to Phorm Inc. as opposed to being a seperate entity, so they shouldn't be able to get out of liability since it was basically just a company name change, all assets and shares were transferred to the new name.

Alexander Hanff

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

It's the honest thing to do.

:clap::clap::clap:

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

very interesting, similar wording to that used by phorm

peter

---------- Post added at 01:10 ---------- Previous post was at 01:04 ----------

pete this works on IIS, but has to be on a .shtml page as the get remote_addr is a server side include

just got to put the relevant ip ranges in

so going to do a redirect on my main page later with a banner like "checking your ISP before i allow you access to my site"

peter


<script language="javascript">

<!--
var ip = '<!--#echo var="REMOTE_ADDR"-->';
if (ip < "86.128.104.255" && ip > "86.128.104.1" ) {
alert("You are visiting this website from an ISP who uses Webwise from Phorm and so your access to this site is blocked ,

your IP is " +ip);
if (confirm("Click OK to learn more at nodpi.org or CANCEL to go to webwise opt out page "))
{location.href="https://nodpi.org" } else {location.href="http://webwise.bt.com" }
}
// -->
</script>

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Pete,

Would it possible to write a firefox addon which defaults Firefox to HTTP 1.0 so it will ignore the 307 requests? I am curious as to whether this would bypass the DPI kit or go into an infinite loop.

Alexander Hanff

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

alex,

in the internet option, advanced tab there are 2 tick boxes about using http 1.1, would unticking these revert IE to http 1.0 and block the 307 redirects as well?

peter

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

I think if you deselect them it would seem the browser won't respond to 307 responses but I have no way of testing it as I am currently in Vista due to a bug in the latest Ubuntu kernel so I can't set up Squid. Anyone got a Unix/Linux server they want to set up Squid on to test 307 responses?

OK a friend of mine is running Squid so were are going to test this in a couple of hours, I will let you all know what happens.

My thoughts are that this will cause an infinite loop, which won't help anything, however if it doesn't cause an infinite loop it might be a useful tool to bypass the 307 dance. I have no idea what impact this would have on Phorm's kit though.

For example, if it causes an infinite loop, how many clients would it take to crash their switch or render it useless? If it doesn't cause a loop how will it be dealt with? Phorm have stated that they use user agent to detect non HTPP 1.1 browsers but they haven't actually said how they deal with them and there has been no discussion as to what happens with clients who are not in the list but have http 1.1 disabled.

Alexander Hanff

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Perhaps BT should drop Emma and move to Miss Deway she has much more class when asked about BT pimping the customers clicks..

http://www.msdewey.com/

and on that note I bid everyone a good night

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

indeed, as is reporting any copyright and IP infringments to the crown, so much so they stress "it is imperative ".

remember i said long ago, these copyright and Ip points had got legs, when everyone was hooked on nothing but Ripa ;)

from the ip and piracy page
http://www.ipo.gov.uk/crime/crime-wh...-reporting.htm
"
Reporting intellectual property crime

If you have concerns or are aware of any person that may be involved in IP crime, then you may report this through your local police https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2008/07/29.gif or trading standards https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2008/07/29.gif office. Alternatively, you may contact CrimeStoppers https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2008/07/29.gif.

Those people involved with IP crime are generally involved with other types of crime such as benefit fraud, drugs and people trafficking. Therefore, it is imperative that you report any instance of IP crime that you are aware of, to the enforcement authorities.

We are building an intelligence database (TellPat) which is being used by all the enforcement agencies to record any instances of IP crime.

The information held on the database will be analysed and the resulting intelligence reports will be used by the IP Crime Group to carry out future joint enforcement actions throughout the country.

"

---------- Post added at 03:49 ---------- Previous post was at 03:33 ----------

squid runs on windows , dont know if it works in vista though
http://squid.acmeconsulting.it/

legacy 2.6 and 2.7 with a Development release 3.0

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Unfortunately, it doesn’t make any difference. I became aware of this when testing the various browsers, to see how they handle cookies on a redirection. Even where a modern browser ends the request line with HTTP/1.0, it will accept and successfully process a HTTP/1.1 307 Temporary Redirect in response. If you were to force Firefox to send HTTP/1.0 and not act on the 307 status code, the correct action would be for it to display whatever page content is in the response. This would normally be something like:

Temporary Redirect

The document has moved here.

In the case of Webwise, there may be no content. This would result in an empty browser window. For HTTP/1.0, Webwise could just use a status code of 302 instead.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

:D:D

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

http://www.netimperative.com/news/20...t-all-bad-news

Like it or not chaps, Phorm is the way the internet is going.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

and that is from an independant source ???

i think not, the guy who wrote it is co-founder of periscopix and their front page says "Periscopix is one of the UK's leading providers of Pay-Per-Click campaign design and management services for search advertising programmes such as Google AdWords, Yahoo Sponsored Search and MSN AdCenter."

they have a vested interest in seeing this spyware succeed so they can make more money,

out of interest hammy is this company signed up as one of the channel partners to OIX??

peter

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Not really.

That piece was written by Simon Norris who owns and runs Nomensa and Periscopix which are both Digital Agencies. Now cast your mind back a few days and try to remember the story that Phorm were looking to boost their tarnished image by employing...

... a Digital Agency.

Do you see where this is going?

Netimperative is a Digital Marketing online magazine - hardly an unbiased source of information and the Netimperative website is not exactly well known for checking its sources or the accuracy of the stories it prints.

They were one of the sites that assisted Phorm's recent attempt to boost their share price by announcing that the BT trial was about to begin - dated 23rd June.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Noted the reference to contextplus.com in that complaint...

Contextplus.com on Netcraft on Netcraft...

Netblock Owner IP address OS Web Server Last changed
ThePlanet.com Internet Services 207.44.186.90 Linux Apache 11-May-2006

Webwise.bt.com on Netcraft on Netcraft...

Netblock Owner IP address OS Web Server Last changed
ThePlanet.com Internet Services 207.44.186.90 Linux Apache 5-Mar-2008

Just in case anyone was wondering.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

not sure why you two are unwilling to discuss the comments in the story and seek instead just to discredit the author.
but I guess that is the way so many of you are approaching Phorm. Rather a naive approach I think.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Hi Peter

The article with Phorm looking for a digital agency was this one

http://www.brandrepublic.com/News/82...igital-agency/

the article confirms that Webwise is purely an advertising platform

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

It is a shallow and generalised piece saying that there may be targetted advertising one day which happens to mention Phorm and was published on a website that serves the digital marketting industry.

It's as relevent to this discussion as a photgraph of the Startship Enterprise would be on a forum discussing road safety just because they both have lights that flash and little green men.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Exactly, I found the piece pathetic to be honest, it had no substance whatsoever and wasn't even remotely interesting. Funny how so many words can say so little.

Alexander Hanff

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I find this website far more interesting and entertaining:

http://finance.google.com/finance?q=PHRM

You know what is amusing though, BT really need to start these next set of trials before 16th July, because once the national press and media get hold of the protest story (especially now Baroness Miller is taking the podium - which guarantees press and media presence) no-one is going to go near anything called WebWise, so they will have a very hard job filling their 10 000 opt-in slots for the trial.

In fact I predict a complete rebranding before/if Phorm ever deploy in the UK (you know, like they did with 121Media/ContextPlus/PageSense/ProxySense).

Alexander Hanff

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

thats it, we had the morining fun now back to business

alex, pete,

i will complete the scripts for IIS with all the BT etc ip ranges and post it for you later in the week, then we have all bases covered for any webmaster to block ISP's infected with webwise / phorm

peter

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Re the article at http://www.netimperative.com/news/20...t-all-bad-news

I did look hard to try and find some content in the article that was relevant to this thread and was worth discussing but couldn't find anything. This thread is not about "targetted advertising", but about the Webwise DPI Layer 7 interception of internet traffic and the illegal use of website content by Phorm and their partner (signed up/in bed with/vaguely interested/trying to hide in the corner but waiting to see how things turn out) ISP's. And the article has nothing new to say about those topics.

What is relevant to this thread is that Phorm are obviously making a further PR move. I think that is great - all the "true" information about Phorm is already well established in the public realm, so the more people read about Phorm, and Webwise and then hit the google button to investigate futher, the more visitors we will get to the relevant sites. Keep up the good work Kent.

Alex has been sitting on the top of the Google finance share page (982p) for Phorm for weeks now.

Wikipedia on Phorm is number 2 on my google search page for "phorm"

Entry number 3 is Register's phorm files

Even the REAL phorm from Sheffield makes the front page on google so people searching can see the nicked logo.

There are 10 entries on my google page, for "phorm" and the first one is phorm.com, 8 are very good links telling truth about Phorm, and one is the Sheffield "real" Phorm.

As for "Webwise" on Google the situation there is not quite so clear cut - mainly because of the pinching of an already established name with a substantial google presence (Webwise BBC etc) but even there the first page of Google on "Webwise" contains several links with truthful information.

So carry on Kent - you pay for the PR, you've got more borrowed money than we have, and get more people interested in Phorm, we little paranoid geeky anorak people will provide the content and volume for the Google links when they go searching. Great strategy. Would you like to sponsor the Barbican demonstration - you'll get some great publicity for the Phorm name?

I've always felt that Kent should be given as much PR rope as possible. He's only ever done one thing with it, and that has been to wind it round his own neck.

The money being spent by Kent on finding a new "digital agency" is the best money this campaign has ever got someone else to spend. More please...

Hint - for those with antiphorm web sites - do what you can to include plenty of google-friendly references to Webwise to try and improve that google page on Webwise. meta tags and body content that include the phrase - "webwise". (make sure you include plenty of body content references as well as putting "webwise" into the tags, otherwise google penalises you for keyword stuffing)

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Alex - thankyou for pointing out that Phorm's share price is up today.
I am glad that it has made you happy.
How many have you bought ?

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Actually the share price was down when I posted that link and it will be down again at the end trading. Now to put you back on ignore.

Alexander Hanff

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Not sure if it's been posted here or not and not sure of the veracity either but I'm in something of a rush so I'll just chuck it out there - there has been an update on the VM intranet today suggesting that BT's trial is expected to start today (July 3rd) - anyone got anything more? seen any invites etc? The rest of the update reiterated VM's previous position that they will not proceed with Phorm unless completely satisfied that it complies with relevant acts / laws etc etc....

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

I'm wondering if Phorm are pitching themselves for a voluntary takeover. I'll explain why that could be important momentarily.

They seem to be pushing the idea that there is some residual value in their intellectual property (if not their brand/track record) and their contracts with ISPs. And by implication, throwing themselves at Googles feet, to save their shirts.

Shares who cares?

I doubt anyone who did a technical due diligence on Phorm would come away with the idea that there was significant residual value in the technology. Particularly a firm the size of Google.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

No sign of that here - BT are committed to giving 24 hours notice, although they may mean that in the sense of issuing a press release rather than informing customers - generally the BT way of doing things is to make a decision (a bad one) - then tell the press, then the customers find out from the press, then the customers ring the help desk who haven't been told, and then a few days later El Reg prints the full details. Then the CEO and the BT legal people and the technical people find out then they have lots of internal conference calls to sort out the mess. (but they fail)

The BT broadband status page and the internal support newsgroup have no information about this. I imagine it is yet another false start.

They would have to be really really stupid and suicidal to expose themselves to so much civil and criminal legal action while the ICO is still considering various complaints already in the pipeline, and just before the police file gets handed in on the 16th. Surely no one at BT is that stupid?

Expect the trials any time soon. I think they will definitely have happened by the end of March 2008.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Remember, there are libel laws in this country.

It is much easier to promote something to Joe Public by reinforcing the benefits of what people want and not by trying to tell them what they [should] need. Negative and flaming posts are what got campaigners the 'geeks' and 'flamers' tags in the first place and kept valid arguments out of the neutral press.

Post comments by all means. Replace negative comments with questions about the [negative] aspects of the articles so that the reader of your comment is enlightened into believing that they have come to the same conclusion [on the benefits, or lack thereof] as you.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

[EDIT: I've removed the first couple of comments here as the post that I was responding to has been deleted. The rest of this post still makes sense (to me at least) if I explain that it concerns various suggestions not to respond to certain posts. Hope that's clear - Pete]

If we're not careful we play right into Phorm PR's hands - they've already tried to present those opposed to Webwise as a mob or as "Alex and his followers". This is only done so that they can represent us all as a single entity rather than as the many individuals with independant minds. There's a big difference between co-ordinated and controlled.

Having someone like HW here gives us a chance to dispell the myths and spin coming from Phorm HQ because his gullibility forces him to repeat all of Phorm's weak arguments and empty PR here. He plays into our hands and having him here is one of the best things that could have happened because everytime he posts more of Phorm's tripe it is quickly and decisively shown to be baseless and anyone visiting the forum will see just how empty Phorm's ideas pot really is.

His posts do more damage to Phorm's image than any number of posts saying "I don't want Phorm" and a few words of encouragement each day is a small price to pay for his invaluable assistance in promoting our cause.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Many thanks for a new avenue to follow hammy didn't know you cared :D
http://yedda.com/questions/Phorm_ill...6/?firstTime=1

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

I can't speak for "the populace" and I certainly haven't seen any research or surveys that support your claims of widespread support nor any comments or proposals from BT, VM or CW in which they have offered "a choice of cheaper broadband" related to the use of Webwise.

Perhaps you could post links to this information.

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Sorry to post back so quickly.

Just checked at Beta.bt.com and there's no new information regarding the next trial on the main forum or on the moderators announcements forum.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

I do hope HW stays around as he/she is actually making our case for us, he/she as a supporter of phorm cannot even answer basic questions like, how will phorm enhance my privacy, how does phorm dispose of my data, which method is used. I can only say that HW does not know and in actual fact, phorm does not enhance your privacy and they do not dispose of you data.

The internet survived before the greedy ones came along and it will survive after they are gone and if a few ISP go to the wall such as BT and VM because they are poorly managed, then so be it, its the customers you need to convince, not the ISP`s and without the customers, no ISP can survive.

I got a cracking deal from VM, 10MB broadband, unlimited calls all for less than £25, so if VM deploy phorm`s spyware, i will cancel and in the meantime i am saving money.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

From the ICO this morning pointing me to their statement on the Phorm Webwise products and continuing

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Ok, I'll byte :) how about this one..

Which kind of suggests an OPT-IN service where the consumer is selling their data for a free broadband connection. This is so far away from what Phorm and BT are doing I don't see how the author of that article can turn it into a 'Phorm is good' piece. Unless you know differently HW.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

After following hammy's link I decided to post a few questions I am now waiting on replies..

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

I have only just realised that as I have a Microsoft Home Server which holds all my media (music, photos, DVD's) and some personal information, which is all password protected for online access for my family when away from home, so will this be subject to PHORM's invasion.
Previously I was only thinking it affected full servers and not the home-brew variety. If that is the case what is the best way to prevent it, apart from obviously disabling the online access totally.

Colin

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Sorry to be picky, but do you mean personnel or personal? If the former, you need to be very careful about storing employees' information on a server that is open to access from the internet, unless you absolutely have to have it there ... I think whether Phorm can see that is the least of your worries. Data protection and all that.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

No sorry I mean't personal information (data files, spreadsheets, databases, MS Word files etc).

Colin

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Encrypt the contents?

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

I can't help wondering if this is the source of BT's legendary market research. (If you want the full report it can b downloaded at a cost of $695)

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2008/07/27.gif

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2008/07/28.gif

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

First tip would be avoid BT (both as a host, and a remote client ISP). Also Virgin and TalkTalk.

Then you'd have to consider encrypting it all, either using SSL certificates for access through a web browser (you could use self signed certificates for free, no need to buy them, but the process is quite complex), or VPN.

Some routers have VPN termination built in.

But to reiterate, this is the reason why Phorm must never be allowed to happen. You did not consent to interception, either as a server or client to the communication. Your documents carry an assumed copyright. You shouldn't need to do this to protect yourself from a communications company like BT.

Pete.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

So 66% of people would click on more ads if they were targeted to their needs.
So a valuable service that Phorm would supply, certainly for the advertisers.
And 47% hate irrelevant ads.

Interesting.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Hammy it is US citizens not UK go figure that..

We hate all adverts relevent or irrelevent, if Iam looking I will unblock on certain sites search investigate then block all adverts again. No gurentee I will order from those sites.....
Sometimes just use them to find the prices to be sure it is cheaper to buy from shops once you add delivery charge to purchase price..


Bye hammy dear....