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fluff 03-04-2006 16:01
Re: Traffic Shaping
 
Interesting. I have noticed a slowdown in p2p/HTTP downloads during the evening. It doesn't really bother me though as I usually game dring the evening and I always get rock solid low pings :)

Frank 03-04-2006 17:36
Re: Traffic Shaping
 
From: http://www.freepress.net/deadend/=neutrality

Quote:
†œNetwork neutralityââ ¬Â is a voluntary but guiding principle of the Internet which ensures that all users are entitled to access content and services or run applications and devices of their choice.

Net neutrality fosters open competition and innovation among service providers, while preserving the independence and accessibility of the World Wide Web. The current abundance of online content is the offspring of net neutrality. Under network neutrality, consumers enjoy limitless choices.

As Internet historian Randall Stross explains: †œRather than having network operators select content providers on our behalf †” the philosophy of the local cable company †” the Internet allows all of us to act as our own network programmers, serving a demographic of just one person.ââ‚à ‚¬Ã‚

The brilliance of this end-to-end network is that the intelligence resides at the edge of the network; the wires in between simply pass information between individual users. The networkââ‚à ‚¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢s only job is to move data †” not to stifle user innovation by selecting which services to privilege with higher speeds.

As a result of this openness, anyone can try out a new idea without having to cross a cable or telephone companyââ‚à ‚¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢s permission barrier. Tech guru David Isenberg explains it this way: †œA hobbyist collecting Pez dispensers could develop the idea to become Ebay. A couple of Stanford students could start Google and build a better search engine. Two guys in Europe could assemble a handful of programmers to invent Skype and threaten the trillion-dollar annual global tel-economy.ââ‚ ‚¬Ã‚

Without safeguards against corporate meddling, the Internetââ‚ ‚¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢s open road to innovation will become a closed highway for big media and their self-selected allies.
http://www.freepress.net/netfreedom/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_neutrality
http://www.democraticmedia.org/issue...eutrality.html

Does the following quote sound familiar?
Quote:
Broadband is the battleground. As more Americans upgrade to high-speed Internet connections, the companies that control the "pipes" are plotting out new ways to profit from the demand. The telco and cable giants want to fence off the Internet: one area for the haves †” who will pay a premium to enjoy life in the fast lane †” and the other for the have-nots.
Let's start the campaign in the UK then, as network neutrality is disappearing in the UK and nobody appears to be doing anything about it.

Mick 03-04-2006 17:51
Re: Traffic Shaping
 
All,

Update:-

ntl have stressed for the moment that there is no changes and Traffic shaping is not in force. This morning I had contacted ntl regarding what had been put into the User policy recently regarding Traffic shaping. ntl have now removed the paragraph detailing the specifics of 'Traffic Shaping' and have issued the following statement to Cable Forum:-

Chad Raube, director of internet for ntl Telewest, said:

"A revised paragraph appeared in ntl's user policy over the weekend, which has now been removed. The clause related to how we manage network traffic to ensure an optimal service for all ntl broadband customers.

"While we continually review ways to offer the best quality service and are currently considering updates to our user policy, the paragraph removed was work in progress that shouldn't have appeared on the website.

"I would like to apologise for any confusion this miscommunication may have caused and we will aim to keep customers informed of any significant changes to the user policy in the future."



Bob 03-04-2006 18:14
Re: Traffic Shaping
 
Thanks for the info Mick.

Whether it was actually a mistake or a very good excuse given the feelings of many forum members, I suppose we will never know.

I would like to think the former, but thats the optimist in me :)

Fawkes 03-04-2006 18:16
Re: Traffic Shaping
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob
Thanks for the info Mick.

Whether it was actually a mistake or a very good excuse given the feelings of many forum members, I suppose we will never know.

I would like to think the former, but thats the optimist in me :)
If NTL have already paid for traffic shaping kit they will use it at some point.

Neil 03-04-2006 18:17
Re: Traffic Shaping
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob
Thanks for the info Mick.

Whether it was actually a mistake or a very good excuse given the feelings of many forum members, I suppose we will never know.

I would like to think the former, but thats the optimist in me :)
I'd like to think it was the latter. :)

jtwn 03-04-2006 18:18
Re: Traffic Shaping
 
Do notice that it says 'work in progress' though, so maybe they only intend to update the user policy when the systems are in operation nationwide.

Bob 03-04-2006 18:22
Re: Traffic Shaping
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Neil
I'd like to think it was the latter. :)
Really?!? I would never have guessed Neil :p:

Stuart 03-04-2006 18:35
Re: Traffic Shaping
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fawkes
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob
Thanks for the info Mick.

Whether it was actually a mistake or a very good excuse given the feelings of many forum members, I suppose we will never know.

I would like to think the former, but thats the optimist in me :)
If NTL have already paid for traffic shaping kit they will use it at some point.
I may be missing something here, but do we know if NTL actually have bought any traffic shaping equipment?

All I can find is a change to Ts&Cs which NTL have now said was released by mistake, and a link Neil posted to a product that can be used to shape network traffic.

Bill C 03-04-2006 18:49
Re: Traffic Shaping
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuart C
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fawkes
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob
Thanks for the info Mick.

Whether it was actually a mistake or a very good excuse given the feelings of many forum members, I suppose we will never know.

I would like to think the former, but that's the optimist in me :)
If NTL have already paid for traffic shaping kit they will use it at some point.
I may be missing something here, but do we know if NTL actually have bought any traffic shaping equipment?

All I can find is a change to Ts&Cs which NTL have now said was released by mistake, and a link Neil posted to a product that can be used to shape network traffic.
Unfortunately we will never know at this stage in the cat and mouse process due to NDA and the like. ;)

I know what i know and that's all i am saying.

This stinks of being court with your pants down NTL.

Chrysalis 03-04-2006 20:49
Re: Traffic Shaping
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Frank
From: http://www.freepress.net/deadend/=neutrality



http://www.freepress.net/netfreedom/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_neutrality
http://www.democraticmedia.org/issue...eutrality.html

Does the following quote sound familiar?


Let's start the campaign in the UK then, as network neutrality is disappearing in the UK and nobody appears to be doing anything about it.
Its an idea.

---------- Post added at 20:49 ---------- Previous post was at 20:47 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuart C
I may be missing something here, but do we know if NTL actually have bought any traffic shaping equipment?

All I can find is a change to Ts&Cs which NTL have now said was released by mistake, and a link Neil posted to a product that can be used to shape network traffic.
Ntl have the equipment. I am not guessing it is a fact.

bobna 03-04-2006 21:38
Re: Traffic Shaping
 
this is taking the Pi** now, earlier i was downloading some music from itunes fine at about 8mbps now just ran a speed test and got this

Mon, 03 Apr 2006 20:39:28 GMT

1st 512K took 5531 ms = 92.6 KB/sec, approx 763 Kbps, 0.75 Mbps
2nd 512K took 7703 ms = 66.5 KB/sec, approx 548 Kbps, 0.54 Mbps
3rd 512K took 6687 ms = 76.6 KB/sec, approx 631 Kbps, 0.62 Mbps
4th 512K took 7547 ms = 67.8 KB/sec, approx 559 Kbps, 0.55 Mbps

Overall Average Speed = approx 625 Kbps, 0.62 Mbps



To repeat this test from the source server click here.





this is on a 10mb line
so they deff are shaping now

dragon 03-04-2006 21:50
Re: Traffic Shaping
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by bobna
this is taking the Pi** now, earlier i was downloading some music from itunes fine at about 8mbps now just ran a speed test and got this

Mon, 03 Apr 2006 20:39:28 GMT

1st 512K took 5531 ms = 92.6 KB/sec, approx 763 Kbps, 0.75 Mbps
2nd 512K took 7703 ms = 66.5 KB/sec, approx 548 Kbps, 0.54 Mbps
3rd 512K took 6687 ms = 76.6 KB/sec, approx 631 Kbps, 0.62 Mbps
4th 512K took 7547 ms = 67.8 KB/sec, approx 559 Kbps, 0.55 Mbps

Overall Average Speed = approx 625 Kbps, 0.62 Mbps



To repeat this test from the source server click here.





this is on a 10mb line
so they deff are shaping now

or theres just congestion on the network

bobna 03-04-2006 21:56
Re: Traffic Shaping
 
yeah must be a shedload then!!

AbyssUnderground 03-04-2006 22:05
Re: Traffic Shaping
 
NTL must have known this would happen. If there is only around 33Mbps on a UBR then 3 and a bit people maxing out their 10Mbps is going to kill it. Surely they knew that?

Traffic shaping is a good idea until they get their act and their network together but the shaping they must be enforcing (if any) seems rediculous in speed terms. I can 99.9% of the time max out my 2Mbps connection no problem at all.

You pay for 10Mbps, you should get at least half of it garunteed (at least within the NTL network).

Just my £0.02!


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