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I think that now Johnson is no longer an electoral asset at any level, it is only the deluded that would continue to sponsor him for any future role in public life. Don't get me wrong, the continued factional infighting is very much welcomed as it continues to illuminate how craven and venal this Party has become.

The funniest part of all of this is that those who bet their personal credibility & futures on Johnson are now so exposed. Prime time entertainment :) It is a pity that it took trashing the country to get to a point when the country can conclude he was a snake oil salesman after all.

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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36154036)

Richard Sharp’s friends could bet their last pound (rather than lend it to Boris Johnson) that if he was in any way an electoral asset he would have been retained.

However he was heaping lie upon lie, disgrace upon disgrace, to the point it was unpalatable to all but the most deluded of his acolytes in the party.

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I suppose we have to wait for the next populist to weigh in.

18 months of Sunak, 5 years of Starmer, the country will be crying out for someone that looks remotely three dimensional.

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36153957)

Nail. On. Head. Well done, Itshim.

Blair lied about the ‘weapons of mass destruction’ to get permission to go to war. That was a far bigger misdemeanour than anything Boris has done, and yet when did he get suspended from Parliament?

This is a Boris hate campaign, and Blair is a good example to demonstrate that fact.
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From Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Blair#cite_note-100

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As the casualties of the Iraq War mounted, Blair was accused of misleading Parliament,[99][100] and his popularity dropped as a result,[101][102] with Labour's overall majority at the 2005 election reduced from 167 to 66 seats. As a combined result of the Blair–Brown pact, the Iraq War and low approval ratings, pressure built up within the Labour Party for Blair to resign.[103] Over the summer of 2006, many MPs criticised Blair for not calling for a ceasefire in the Israel–Lebanon conflict.[104] On 7 September 2006, Blair publicly stated he would step down as leader by the time of the Trades Union Congress conference held from 10 to 13 September 2007,[105] despite promising to serve a full term during the previous general election campaign. On 10 May 2007, during a speech at the Trimdon Labour Club, Blair announced his intention to resign as both Labour leader and prime minister,[106] triggering a leadership election in which Brown was the only candidate.[107]

At a special party conference in Manchester on 24 June 2007, Blair formally handed over the leadership of the Labour Party to Brown, who had been Chancellor of the Exchequer in Blair's three ministries.[108] Blair tendered his resignation as prime minister on 27 June and Brown assumed office the same afternoon. Blair resigned from his Sedgefield seat in the traditional form of accepting the Stewardship of the Chiltern Hundreds, to which he was appointed by Brown in one of the latter's last acts as chancellor;[109] the resulting by-election was won by Labour candidate Phil Wilson. Blair decided not to issue a list of Resignation Honours, making him the first prime minister of the modern era not to do so.

I've provided the above material out because the events as between Blair & Boris differ.

BLAIR

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Blair lied but when the game was up he resigned before any misleading Parliament charges were formally brought against him. We'll never know whethlieder or not he was threatened with investigation.

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This was a different Parliament, different members and a different system for dealing with privileges.

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BLAIR did a runner before they could get to him.

BORIS

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Boris held parties in Downing Street that broke his own contact/lockdown rules. Photographs proved this.

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Boris tried to change the rules to get disgraced Owen Paterson off the hook.

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Then there was the Chapman Pincher affair, when Boris said he didn't know about allegations over Pincher's sexual behaviour before his appointment to Government. Boris had to retract this when it was proved that he knew in advance.

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Boris lied to Parliament when he said he'd been repeatedly told he was observing the rules. (He maintained those lies in evidence to the Privileges Committee).

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Privileges Committee proceedings were instigated against Boris in April 2022. He resigned in July 2022 after some 50 ministers resigned because of the continual ethics issues surrounding Boris.

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Had Boris also resigned from Parliament, the Privileges Committee might have stopped its proceedings because there was nobdy around they could have sanctioned.

Comparing liar Blair with liar Boris in the way that OB is doing cannot be justified.

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It's still a witch hunt.

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Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 36154042)

It's still a witch hunt.

Could well be, but I'm sure witches can be lying slime balls too.

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36154039)

I suppose we have to wait for the next populist to weigh in.

18 months of Sunak, 5 years of Starmer, the country will be crying out for someone that looks remotely three dimensional.

So leader of the nation is a personality contest ? Maybe viewers should phone in the latest tv reality drivel?

Competent and honest would do for me, whatever political colour. It's a high bar atm.

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36154035)

So, what are you questioning? You agree Boris is a liar, a crook, corrupt, shouldn’t be in front line politics but because Blair took us to war twenty years ago he should get a free pass. :rofl:

Boris has lived his whole life getting free passes. The Conservative Party, and indeed the country, can’t afford to give him another.

No, John. OB thinks that Blair should have been investigated by the then Privileges Committee and if not, then nor should Boris have been impeached.

OB is wrong for the reasons I have already given. But, in this instance, so were you.

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Was Blair responsible for the deaths that occurred after his comments about WMD?

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36154044)

So leader of the nation is a personality contest

You think it isn’t? ……..oh …ok

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Competent and honest would do for me

when has that……ever……..been on the ballot?

I think you’ve had a few tonight and are now in club utopia. Drinks are not free .

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It might never have been on the ballot, but then neither has such egregious corruption and lying as Johnson 2023. Indeed, it's noteworthy it was the party who stepped in to bin him. It wasn't Starmer, it wasn't remoaners. It was backbenchers terrified what the outcome of the next election would look like with him at the helm.

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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36154036)

I think the problem is that people saw the genial funny man presenting Have I Got News For You, or the enthusiastic London Mayor and thought that's what we would get. Note: I don't think he was a good Mayor, but he was good ambassador for London.

We did get a comedian as PM. Just not a funny one.

Boris should not be allowed anywhere near Parliament. Unfortunately, I can't think of a single senior Tory I would argue should be allowed near Parliament. I daresay the grassroots Tories can sometimes make good MPs, but it seems those who get to the senior levels forget the voters.

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Sunak not so much sitting on the fence but taking up permanent residence there!

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Boris Johnson denied special access to parliament as MPs endorse report which said he lied

Boris Johnson has been stripped of special access to parliament after MPs endorsed the privileges committee's report that he lied about parties in Downing Street during the COVID pandemic.

MPs voted by 354 to seven to back the report's findings.

A total of 118 Conservatives voted for the report, while 225 abstaine

A total of eight Cabinet ministers backed the privileges committee report, including Justice Secretary Alex Chalk, Education Secretary Gillian Keegan, Chief Whip Simon Hart and Commons Leader Penny Mordaunt.

The seven Conservative MPs who voted against the report were Bill Cash, Nick Fletcher, Adam Holloway, Karl McCartney, Joy Morrissey, Desmond Swayne and Heather Wheeler.

Rishi Sunak - who was not present for the debate or vote - was accused of a "cowardly cop-out" by the Liberal Democrats.

Deputy Leader Daisy Cooper MP said his failure to vote "says all you need to know about this prime minister's lack of leadership".

"Sunak promised integrity yet when push came to shove, he was too weak to even turn up."

https://news.sky.com/story/boris-joh...-lied-12905498

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36154223)

Sunak not so much sitting on the fence but taking up permanent residence there!

https://news.sky.com/story/boris-joh...-lied-12905498

Sunak is just like Johnson one mega big LIAR and well done to the 118 Tories that stood up for Parliament rest should hang there heads in total shame

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Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 36154224)

Sunak is just like Johnson one mega big LIAR and well done to the 118 Tories that stood up for Parliament rest should hang there heads in total shame

Maybe someone's got some more party photos and videos and hinted it was in his interests to honour his charitable engagement instead?

Theresa May was in good, stateswoman form last night.

Muppet of the evening went to Grimsby's Lia Nici who made a bold speech proclaiming why she would vote against the report. But then she didn't! :D