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1andrew1 27-09-2021 20:08
Re: Panic at the Pumps
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36094864)
... if they come. Judging by the Polish driver interviewed on ITV, he said "no" to three months - in perfect English, btw.
Good point.

Sephiroth 27-09-2021 20:25
Re: Panic at the Pumps
 
Pierre's quote Rings right to me.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36094870)
Good point.
... and just to remind of my own view as a Leaver, I did not see freedom of movement as a bad thing.

1andrew1 27-09-2021 20:42
Re: Panic at the Pumps
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36094877)
Pierre's quote Rings right to me.
That quote is essentially saying blame the media.

We could have had supply problems before but not known about them. I've certainly been to petrol stations before that have run out of everything except diesel.

But do we really want to put what MediaBoy would call a DNP on fuel shortage reporting?

Sephiroth 27-09-2021 20:53
Re: Panic at the Pumps
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36094881)
That quote is essentially saying blame the media.

We could have had supply problems before but not known about them. I've certainly been to petrol stations before that have run out of everything except diesel.

But do we really want to put what MediaBoy would call a DNP on fuel shortage reporting?
Where did that come from? What we want is for the offending media to not only run out of petrol themselves, but also toilet paper and Polish mustard. There's nothing we can do about those hacks and Rayner would better have directed one of her remarks at them.

Hugh 27-09-2021 20:56
Re: Panic at the Pumps
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36094877)
Pierre's quote Rings right to me.

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... and just to remind of my own view as a Leaver, I did not see freedom of movement as a bad thing.
Unless, of course, those drivers moved to better-paying jobs with other Logistics/Supermarket companies that have offered £5k signing on bonuses and salaries of £50k+?

1andrew1 27-09-2021 21:08
Re: Panic at the Pumps
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36094884)
Where did that come from? What we want is for the offending media to not only run out of petrol themselves, but also toilet paper and Polish mustard. There's nothing we can do about those hacks and Rayner would better have directed one of her remarks at them.
Sorry - it was more that whilst people blame the media, it doesn't get us anywhere as no one wants to go down the route of censorship, so we need to tackle another part of the immediate problem. Be that limiting fuel spend per visit or reserving some petrol stations for NHS staff, etc.

Quote:
Breaking: Government expected to mobilise army 'as a precaution' amid fuel crisis

Amid the fuel shortages, there are calls for healthcare staff and other key workers to have priority access to fill up their vehicles.

The government is expected to mobilise the army as a precaution amid the ongoing queues at petrol stations around the country, according to a Whitehall source.

Petrol retailers had been hoping for a return to normal after motorists drained pumps over the weekend.

But there was little sign of the panic-buying diminishing on Monday, with consumers apparently ignoring pleas to stop.
https://news.sky.com/story/governmen...risis-12420012

Sephiroth 27-09-2021 21:15
Re: Panic at the Pumps
 
People must have toilet paper to wipe their arses and must have fuel to attend to their daily lives.

At first hint of shortage, panic buying builds and rises quickly to a crescendo. Nothing will stop that.

Carth 27-09-2021 21:32
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I think the Government played a blinder ;)

Businesses complaining about this that and the other, virtually demanding we let cheap foreign labour back into the UK, and releasing carefully worded statements to the media knowing full well the media will hype it up it, playing on the resulting public outcry against the Government for ruining Christmas.

In the end, the Government conceded by announcing foreign HGV drivers and 'poultry' workers would be given 3 month visas to get us through the alleged 'crisis' . . . also knowing full well there won't be much of an uptake on the offer :D

VAR says no foul
Bumbling Boris 1 - Greedy Businesses 0

Second half underway

nffc 27-09-2021 22:24
Re: Panic at the Pumps
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jonbxx (Post 36094773)
Petrol stations should go the other way - minimum order per vessel. Say you set it at, I dunno £40, that would deter the 'topper uppers'. Used less than £40 of petrol, tough, £40 please. Make it a 'per vessel' charge too - filling a jerry can on top of filling your car? Another £40 please
They just need to ban filling anything which isn't a fuel tank in a vehicle.


Car, yes you can fill it up. Plastic bottle, no.


People's panic buying will then ultimately be limited by the capacity they have in their fuel tanks.

TheDaddy 27-09-2021 22:38
Re: Panic at the Pumps
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36094887)
Unless, of course, those drivers moved to better-paying jobs with other Logistics/Supermarket companies that have offered £5k signing on bonuses and salaries of £50k+?
I'd say that's more likely than media scaremongering, no way they can compete with the supermarkets

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Originally Posted by nffc (Post 36094914)
They just need to ban filling anything which isn't a fuel tank in a vehicle.


Car, yes you can fill it up. Plastic bottle, no.


People's panic buying will then ultimately be limited by the capacity they have in their fuel tanks.
Isn't illegal to store over a certain amount of petrol at home?

Carth 27-09-2021 22:41
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36094920)
Isn't illegal to store over a certain amount of petrol at home?
I think insurance companies may frown on it :D

1andrew1 27-09-2021 23:27
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I'm sure even Johnson would smile at the title of the FT View piece on the crises facing the PM.
Memo to Boris Johnson: prenez un grip :D

Paul 28-09-2021 01:52
Re: Panic at the Pumps
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36094881)
That quote is essentially saying blame the media.
Correct, and correctly.
This is an completely media created issue.

Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36094881)
We could have had supply problems before but not known about them. I've certainly been to petrol stations before that have run out of everything except diesel.
We could have been invaded by aliens, but probably havent.
Garages sometimes running out is not even remotely new, it happens.
It happened again, to a very small number of BP Garages (not Shell, or others).
The media got wind of it and instantly went nuts with "fuel shortage" headlines.
The public instantly went into panic mode, and created a shortage at every garage, something that simply wasnt the case until then.

Maggy 28-09-2021 07:56
Re: Panic at the Pumps
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36094936)
Correct, and correctly.
This is an completely media created issue.


We could have been invaded by aliens, but probably havent.
Garages sometimes running out is not even remotely new, it happens.
It happened again, to a very small number of BP Garages (not Shell, or others).
The media got wind of it and instantly went nuts with "fuel shortage" headlines.
The public instantly went into panic mode, and created a shortage at every garage, something that simply wasnt the case until then.
:tu:

jonbxx 28-09-2021 09:02
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Taf (Post 36094845)
"Inter-range services must be specifically structured in order not to infringe national cabotage laws (such as the Jones Act in the United States) preventing a foreign maritime company to carry freight between domestic ports. For instance, for an inter-range service D-A-B-C-D, a maritime shipping company registered in country 2 has the right to unload or load freight at ports A, B or C in country 1 as long as this freight is coming from or bound to a foreign port (port D in this case). Moving freight from port A to port B or C would not be permitted since it would be considered as cabotage. That same maritime shipping company would, however, be able to carry freight between ports D, E, and F (cabotage) since it is registered in country 2."

Aslo https://ec.europa.eu/transport/modes...ge/cabotage_en
That would be for intra-EU transport. Unfortunately, our agreement with the EU allows for one trip in, one in state transport and one trip out. That's for EU trucks coming and and UK trucks going out (not sure what the situation is for Northern Ireland)


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