Originally Posted by Maggy (Post 36086301)

Speaking out is the only way to change anything.By not challenging the man down the pub with their racist tirades you basically let them think everyone agrees with them.Keeping silent changes nothing. What people think I can't change.However I can change what people say out loud by challenging them when they say it and write for all to see.

Keeping quiet shouldn't be an option if we really want change.

Originally Posted by Russ (Post 36086290)

The anti-racism groups seem to think that all they have to do is get their message across powerfully enough and it’s going to make the abusers see the error of their ways. Spectacular level of naivety.

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36086304)

This isn't that goal. Their goal is to raise awareness of where racism still exists and to get the public behind other measures to reduce it.



Which is a success. Hopkins has a much larger platform on Twitter and now she is reduced to Parler and only has a hardcore audience. There was someone who got 200,000-1,000,000 views on YouTube promoting theories about black people and IQ. YouTube banned him and so he moved to Bitchute where he gets in the low thousands.

Pushing people off large platforms and into the margins of the Internet is a success.

The England team's stand against racism and the subsequent abuse some of them received and caused a public outcry and now you have popular opinion, the press and the Government putting pressure on social media companies to remove racist accounts quicker and to algorithmically and proactively detect racist slurs and remove those too.

Hardcore racists aren't going away but we can keep pushing them further and further from the mainstream until all they are is bitter people shouting out of the window because no one else is willing to give them a platform or an audience.

Originally Posted by Russ (Post 36086310)

I would argue than any measures/gestures to “reduce” racism have spectacularly failed. Given how anyone who has an online presence believes that gives hem the right to be heard I’d say racism is just as bad today than it’s ever been.

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36086299)

Here's a thought, if you don't want to watch 'stupid gestures' at football, then don't go to the match.

Originally Posted by Russ (Post 36086290)

It’s isn’t up to me to solve the issue. All I know is it’s clear that all we’ve had so far is gestures.

Again don’t get me wrong, we should never give up the fight against this racism. It just needs to be tackled smarter, not harder.

The anti-racism groups seem to think that all they have to do is get their message across powerfully enough and it’s going to make the abusers see the error of their ways. Spectacular level of naivety.

They also seem to think that shutting the racists down, banning and cancelling them will also do the same. Whist I agree that we should have to see, read or hear racist abuse that doesn’t tackle the problem either. As previously mentioned, Katie Hopkins and Trump both got booted off Twitter, they’re now on Parler.

I may not have the answer but that does exclude me from pointing out when methods don’t work.

Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36086293)

(btw never heard of Parler, doesn't sound as though I'd like it ! ;))

Some new that will probably not please you:-

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/olympics/57846090

Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36086326)

Clearly you dont have many useful thoughts. :dozey:
Maybe if you try harder you'll realise why people go to a football match. :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36086299)

Here's a thought, if you don't want to watch 'stupid gestures' at football, then don't go to the match.

Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36086338)

To be fair, we could change that slightly to eliminate much of the problem . . .

"if you don't want to read nasty things on social media, then don't use it"

works for me ;)

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36086391)

How about "if you don’t want to hear racist insults, don’t walk anywhere"?

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36086331)

I do like the way you have to resort to insults, I trust it makes you feel better.

Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36086415)

Using social media isnt necessary, walking generally is.

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There is a saying that starts "anything you can do .....". Or maybe the one about "people is glass houses"