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papa smurf 16-08-2015 08:04

Re: Yet again - Cyclist Killed in London
 
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Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 35793663)
I don't think I've seen many superheroes on pushbikes. Not even the invisible woman.



Roads are funded from general taxation (there's no such thing as road tax) so cyclists, who are also taxpayers, are entitled to expect some facilities for their contributions.



You're right that the cycle ways are not dangerous; it's the roads that are dangerous. Try to think it through :sleep:.

we also have facilities for dead cyclists -mortuary's its just that some of us are trying to keep cyclists out of them... [isn't that selfish of us] .

Stuart 16-08-2015 15:01

Re: Yet again - Cyclist Killed in London
 
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Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 35793663)
Roads are funded from general taxation (there's no such thing as road tax) so cyclists, who are also taxpayers, are entitled to expect some facilities for their contributions.

There may be no specific road tax but there is Vehicle Excise Duty which *is* commonly referred to as Road Tax. You are right, however, in that the money generated goes into general tax, rather than a road budget specifically.

Taf 16-08-2015 16:29

Re: Yet again - Cyclist Killed in London
 
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Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 35793663)
I don't think I've seen many superheroes on pushbikes.

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Hom3r 16-08-2015 16:47

Re: Yet again - Cyclist Killed in London
 
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Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 35793563)
Because it is not compulsory to do so. Because the surface is frequently poorly maintained. Because drains and loose gravel are dangerous for cyclists. Because cyclists can cycle on any part of the road.

And because it is easier to get in the way of cars when ambling down the middle of the highway :D.

The irony is the cycle path was smooth as a babys bum, and empty.

The road was full of cars pump crap he could breathe in, and pot holes that could put him under the bloody big dumper trucks.

Kursk 16-08-2015 17:34

Re: Yet again - Cyclist Killed in London
 
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Originally Posted by Stuart (Post 35793715)
There may be no specific road tax but there is Vehicle Excise Duty which *is* commonly referred to as Road Tax. You are right, however, in that the money generated goes into general tax, rather than a road budget specifically.

Yes, I know there is VED and it is commonly and inaccurately referred to as 'road tax'. VED is effectively a tax on the harmful emissions produced by motor vehicles and guess what, bikes produce no emissions therefore there is no tax to pay.

I think that puts to bed the notion that cyclists should pay 'road tax'; we already contribute to the upkeep of roads through general taxation.

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Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 35793739)
The irony is the cycle path was smooth as a babys bum, and empty.

The road was full of cars pump crap he could breathe in, and pot holes that could put him under the bloody big dumper trucks.

Personal choice I suppose. That said, cycle paths aren't always the most convenient option; some can be a couple of metres long; some actually don't lead anywhere etc. Road networks need to be planned with cycle lanes included not added later.

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Originally Posted by Taf (Post 35793737)

Fair enough. No female superheroes then :)

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35793689)
we also have facilities for dead cyclists -mortuary's its just that some of us are trying to keep cyclists out of them... [isn't that selfish of us] .

Drive with respect and care in that case. Thank you for helping.

papa smurf 17-08-2015 06:26

Re: Yet again - Cyclist Killed in London
 
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Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 35793756)
Yes, I know there is VED and it is commonly and inaccurately referred to as 'road tax'. VED is effectively a tax on the harmful emissions produced by motor vehicles and guess what, bikes produce no emissions therefore there is no tax to pay.

I think that puts to bed the notion that cyclists should pay 'road tax'; we already contribute to the upkeep of roads through general taxation.



Personal choice I suppose. That said, cycle paths aren't always the most convenient option; some can be a couple of metres long; some actually don't lead anywhere etc. Road networks need to be planned with cycle lanes included not added later.



Fair enough. No female superheroes then :)



Drive with respect and care in that case. Thank you for helping.



hey no problem i will stop at green lights so morons can cross on the red light ,i won,t turn left any more so morons can undertake ,i wont use one way streets so morons can cycle up them the wrong way ,if there's any thing else i can do to assist these idiots let me know [but please be mindful that assisted suicide is frowned on in this country].

Stephen 17-08-2015 06:38

Re: Yet again - Cyclist Killed in London
 
Not ALL cyclists are idiots though!!

Osem 17-08-2015 09:28

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Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 35793321)
In a previous post you accused me of writing 'puerile drivel' but, well, I took it on the chin. Man up: it's the cut and thrust of forum life. ;)


Luckily, motorists are trained to care for these innocents.

I know you like scatterguns and have a problem with detail but so I'll just point out that the difference is that what you wrote was puerile drivel whereas you chose to misrepresent what I wrote despite me being quite clear. Suck that up! It's just the cut and thrust of forum life you know... ;)

Kursk 17-08-2015 10:07

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35793803)
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hey no problem i will stop at green lights so morons can cross on the red light ,i won,t turn left any more so morons can undertake ,i wont use one way streets so morons can cycle up them the wrong way ,if there's any thing else i can do to assist these idiots let me know [but please be mindful that assisted suicide is frowned on in this country].

You seem to exhibit few traits of a "trained" and "qualified" road user :monkey:.

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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35793811)
I know you like scatterguns and have a problem with detail but so I'll just point out that the difference is that what you wrote was puerile drivel whereas you chose to misrepresent what I wrote despite me being quite clear. Suck that up! It's just the cut and thrust of forum life you know... ;)

Ouch, cut me to the bone. Let's make a deal, you write something that isn't mind-numbingly repetitive and I'll read the detail :sleep:.

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Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 35793805)
Not ALL cyclists are idiots though!!

Not ALL car drivers are idiots either!!

Osem 17-08-2015 12:09

Re: Yet again - Cyclist Killed in London
 
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Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 35793819)
You seem to exhibit few traits of a "trained" and "qualified" road user :monkey:.



Ouch, cut me to the bone. Let's make a deal, you write something that isn't mind-numbingly repetitive and I'll read the detail :sleep:.



Not ALL car drivers are idiots either!!

Read what you like (or not as the case may be), just don't deliberately misrepresent it eh.

Kursk 17-08-2015 13:05

Re: Yet again - Cyclist Killed in London
 
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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35793850)
Read what you like (or not as the case may be), just don't deliberately misrepresent it eh.

Dog with a bone :sleep:.

papa smurf 17-08-2015 15:34

Re: Yet again - Cyclist Killed in London
 
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Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 35793805)
Not ALL cyclists are idiots though!!

quite true but the ones that aren't don,t seem to be posting in this thread .

Kursk 17-08-2015 18:53

Re: Yet again - Cyclist Killed in London
 
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35793907)
quite true but the ones that aren't don,t seem to be posting in this thread .

Attrition may terminate conversations but it doesn't change minds.

Do enjoy the sight of my rear end out on the roads papa :p:.

papa smurf 22-08-2015 07:52

Re: Yet again - Cyclist Killed in London
 
i watched a tv program last night on pick tv the title road rage i found the program very satisfying as the police in London are now equipped with bicycles with blues and two's and chase down red light jumping cyclists and issue a £30 fine, these cyclists became very irate when they found out they cannot disregard the highway code without punishment , these people where referred to by the police as "Lycra louts and anarchistic" with the intent of causing as much chaos as possible, but its not being tolerated anymore :clap: .

Gary L 22-08-2015 09:01

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I watched that. the cyclists were intent on holding up the traffic saying "The roads are for everyone"
sad people :)

logically. today a lot of cyclist will fall off their bikes after that being aired last night.


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