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papa smurf 12-01-2009 21:42

Re: Atheist ads on London buses
 
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Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 34714362)
If anything will cause a lot of aggro, it will be this, whatever your belief, it is up to you, how you go about it, there are a lot of charities out there, that could have used this money to good effect, like the homeless and the vulnerable people.

I have prayed many times, when l have had to, but this is my belief, you don't have to go to church, to pray, and you certainly don't need too take the advice off the back of a bus. I would suggest the CFT took this one of, in case you get some really sick answers to the question, and brings this forum into disrepute.


"I have prayed many times"
did any-one answer

Arthurgray50@blu 12-01-2009 21:53

Re: Atheist ads on London buses
 
No? papa smurf:)

Hugh 12-01-2009 22:31

Re: Atheist ads on London buses
 
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 34714411)
"I have prayed many times"
did any-one answer

Some people don't pray to be answered, they pray to be heard.

slug 13-01-2009 21:48

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Russ 16-01-2009 10:14

Re: Atheist ads on London buses
 
It begins!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/h...re/7832647.stm

I'd advise the armchair experts to read it all before posting - he has agreed to only drive a bus with that advert on if none other are available, so he is not refusing to do his job.

danielf 16-01-2009 10:23

Re: Atheist ads on London buses
 
I wonder if First Bus are willing to extend this policy to Atheists who don't want to drive buses with religious advertising...

Kymmy 16-01-2009 10:34

Re: Atheist ads on London buses
 
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Originally Posted by Russ B (Post 34716782)
It begins!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/h...re/7832647.stm

I'd advise the armchair experts to read it all before posting - he has agreed to only drive a bus with that advert on if none other are available, so he is not refusing to do his job.

I wonder if someone with an athiest T-shirt on would be refused entry onto his bus because there's probably another bus due along soon????

Sorry but he's contracted to drive a bus, not agree/disagree with the advertising on the bus...

Russ 16-01-2009 10:48

Re: Atheist ads on London buses
 
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Originally Posted by danielf
I wonder if First Bus are willing to extend this policy to Atheists who don't want to drive buses with religious advertising...

I think if any atheists felt strongly enough about the pro-God adverts, they'd have already raised their objections. Any attempts now by them to have something similar is highly likely to be just tit-for-tat.

I guess the Christian got in there first ;)

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Originally Posted by Kymmy (Post 34716789)
Sorry but he's contracted to drive a bus, not agree/disagree with the advertising on the bus...

And so he will. If no other bus is available then he'll drive the one with that advert on. It's the bus company being sensitive to someone's needs that's all. No-one is being inconvenienced.

frogstamper 16-01-2009 18:20

Re: Atheist ads on London buses
 
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Originally Posted by Russ
And so he will. If no other bus is available then he'll drive the one with that advert on. It's the bus company being sensitive to someone's needs that's all. No-one is being inconvenienced.

Except that on the first day when the bus company didn't have a spare bus, he took it upon himself to just go home.
Its just another example of people letting their personal beliefs affect their work, I'm sure that in his contract there's no clause excusing him from driving a bus if he doesn't like that weeks particular advertising.
Also Russ I'd say exactly the same if the driver was an atheist who didn't want to drive a bus saying Jesus saves, the point is hundreds of drivers down the years must have disagreed with bus advertising and if they'd have said no to doing their job I expect they'd have been given their P45, and rightly so.

Russ 16-01-2009 18:34

Re: Atheist ads on London buses
 
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Originally Posted by frogstamper (Post 34717053)
Except that on the first day when the bus company didn't have a spare bus, he took it upon himself to just go home.
Its just another example of people letting their personal beliefs affect their work, I'm sure that in his contract there's no clause excusing him from driving a bus if he doesn't like that weeks particular advertising.
Also Russ I'd say exactly the same if the driver was an atheist who didn't want to drive a bus saying Jesus saves, the point is hundreds of drivers down the years must have disagreed with bus advertising and if they'd have said no to doing their job I expect they'd have been given their P45, and rightly so.

He's not disagreed to doing his job - a compromise has been found which inconveniences no-one.

papa smurf 16-01-2009 18:41

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i would have thought driving the buss would be a good test of his faith,he could sit there comfortable in the knowledge that the advert [in his eyes is false]

Russ 16-01-2009 18:45

Re: Atheist ads on London buses
 
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 34717066)
i would have thought driving the buss would be a good test of his faith,he could sit there comfortable in the knowledge that the advert [in his eyes is false]

I'm sure it's not his own faith he would have been concerned about. Just a guess though.

idi banashapan 16-01-2009 20:00

Re: Atheist ads on London buses
 
not that often you hear of an atheist who refuses to do something because it supports a faith (ie, an atheist bus driver not driving the bus because it has a christian message on it)....

personally, I don't see what his beef was about. He knows he is a christian. I'm assuming that God knows he is one too. The advert on the bus does not represent his personal view and I doubt anyone would think it did.

To be totally honest, I think that if the media had not hyped up the whole thing in the first place (about the adverts making an appearance), I don't think many people would have even realised they were on the sides of buses. let's be truthful, we are so swamped by ads these days we filter them out as best we can to the point where they can really be invisible. Who remembers the advert on the side of the very last bus you saw? not the last ad you remember seeing on a bus, but the ad on the last bus you set eyes on....

downquark1 16-01-2009 22:56

Re: Atheist ads on London buses
 
Surely there have been adverts for less than savoury movies and the like on the buses before.

danielf 16-01-2009 23:56

Re: Atheist ads on London buses
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Russ B (Post 34716794)
I think if any atheists felt strongly enough about the pro-God adverts, they'd have already raised their objections. Any attempts now by them to have something similar is highly likely to be just tit-for-tat.

Is it? I think there's a genuine case here. The fact that not many Atheists have objected to religious advertising, doesn't mean they have no beef with it. To discount any (potential) objections from Atheists as just being tit-for-tat is a little simplistic in my opinion. The question here is if the liberties that are granted to people of faith extend to those without faith (and those who reject it).

So, It would be interesting to see what would happen if a bus driver would decide to actually make a point of not wanting to drive a 'you are going to hell if you don't believe x, y, or z' bus.


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