Re: Is this allowed?
 

Not really, because if you were using your own BB connection in your own outhouse/garden via your own wireless connection, then you're breaking no T's & C's whatsoever.

So you see, it was irrelevant after all! ;)

Re: Is this allowed?
 

I give up, I'll go collect the firewood so we can burn him at the stake. Perhaps we could find some others and hound them out and have a bigger bonfire :rolleyes:


I only hope that everyone on here has never downloaded something illegally or allowed a file to be shared or done anything such as uncapping a modem (cough) because if you have you have no right to the moral high ground here.
I reckon theres people on here with more than 3 PC's sharing one connection, perhaps they should be burned at thge stake also? or is that OK because they arent making money from it or taking pensioners money?


I dont see what he has done as right, but I think theres more pressing issues we should be concerned about.
Personally I'm no angel, but I am NOT a hypocrite. (that is not aimed at everyone, just those people that know they break T&C's yet continue to presecute those others that do.

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Ok, following a letter on my doorstep this morning from the ntl internet security team:Yikes:, threating to cut off my connection in 7 days time if I dont stop running a business and selling broadband using my connection...

I have decided to move to a proper internet webhost, and will be reclaiming my wireless ethernet bridges during the day.

Hope your happy cableforum,
-Chris

Re: Is this allowed?
 

To clear up a misconception here. The simple act of reselling of a broadband connection is not illegal as such, after all there are many legal resellers of such services.

When reselling is against the terms and conditions of the ISP, then it is a breach of contract by the reseller. The ISP is thus entitled to cancel the cotnract, and seek damages if it wishes. That is a civil law matter.

The web hosting of "free" servers is also an area that would come under scrutiny within the Ts & Cs, as a breach of contract rather than criminal law.

The criminal illegality bit will depend on how the reselling of the connection has been stated. We do not know what has been said to the pensioners. If he is selling a "share" of his connnection, that could be a reasonable statement. If he is selling a minimum speed, or bandwidth, that would be far more risky.

Now the real debate kickc in as to if he is not entitled to resell, as that is against his contract, does the act of reselling count as fraud - I suppose yes. It's got to be a little bit like handling stolen goods, you are not entitled to the item so making money from it is theft. Whether it is that serious that one could argue the cost being sold are so high relative to what is on offer as to be a form of extortion, I doubt we can currently say. We don't know how many are on this connection. One or two sharers might not be bad but 10, must be?

OK so he is offering some form of support service to thise pensioners. Nothing wrong with that. Indeed if he wishes he is entitled to charge somethign for that service. Again the amount that is charged woudl be the aspect of scrutiny.

Finally there is the aspect of the income from this. It would be regarded as taxable, so if it is not declared it is a form of tax evasion. We don't know that this is or is not happening and it would be unreasonable for us to make any accusation without more facts. That many (in all walks of lfe) no doubt do look on little bits of extra income as their own without declaring it is irrelevant as any defence or justification.

So what should really have happened is that each has their own direct connection with an ISP and then a reasonable charge is levied for support services.

Re: Is this allowed?
 

Totaly irrelvent now, (read my other post above yours).
-Chris

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Quite happy thanks, Chris. We'll make an honest businessman of you yet. Now, if you could revisit your homepage and do something about your atrocious spelling and dubious punctuation, I'm sure you'll be a dotcom millionaire by teatime. Good luck. ;)

Re: Is this allowed?
 

Now lets look at ntl's AUP, and the breaches of it so far ...

Anyone else want to try and defend this ???

Re: Is this allowed?
 

As happy as you are ripping off OAPs.

I hope you sleep well, & I also wonder how you would feel if it were your parents/grandparents getting ripped off in some way?

You think? ;)

Re: Is this allowed?
 

Clearly not...
-Chris

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And now your pensioners lose their internet connection without warning...

I hope you give a truthful explanation of why you are closing down your mini isp, and i hope your pensioners demand a full refund of what they have paid you so far.

Re: Is this allowed?
 

Good point. Chris, are you going to help your victims to choose a proper ISP now, and help them set their PCs up? It's the least you should be doing. Or would it expose just how badly you were ripping them off when they hand just an extra fiver a month to someone else and suddenly discover what broadband speed is meant to look like?

Re: Is this allowed?
 

Fraid so, I have been given 7days to remove the lot by NTL home, and I intend to have it all back by the end of the day as im not going to loose my connection, or pay 89.99/month for 1.5mb NTL business broadband.

I will tell them exactly why I am closing down my "mini isp", and I will pay back this months broadband charges to them, but somehow I dont think they will be demanding full refunds off me.

Now, on a different subject.. What on earth am I going to do with 20 odd linksys wireless ethernet bridges and a spare email server?
-Chris

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Nice one NTL for such a quick response :tu: Shame they didn't just cancel the whole account forthwith, but still, better than nothing.

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Maybe sell them to your victims...err customers so they have them ready when NTL put there proper connection in :rolleyes:

Re: Is this allowed?
 

HAHA PARTY TIME WOOHOO

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