Re: Muslims should expect to be stopped....
 

Is he talking about his brother for house arrest Jonathan Woss.

:D

Re: Muslims should expect to be stopped....
 

Unfortunately - yes.

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3 arrested in coventry by Scotland Yard last Tuesday apparently, 2 men 1 woman in connection with international terrorism.

Kinda close to my home town. Who has a problem with it cuz I dont.

Re: Muslims should expect to be stopped....
 

One assumes or has to assume these days, that they were nice people with never an unkind thought in their heads, good to their neighbours and pillars of the community! Perhaps they merely wanted to build a nice school in Afghanistan for equally minded nice people!

:Yikes:

Re: Muslims should expect to be stopped....
 

Graham, can you just clarify something, are you saying that the Anti Terrorist measures shouldn't be targetting the group which the terrorists belong (or claim) to?

Are you also suggesting (or do you believe) that the Anti Terrorist forces would turn a blind eye/ignore/fail to take seriously/fail to respond to any reported non-muslim terrorism intelligence?


(appologies if you've already clarified the above, but could you do it again in plain English as I'm playing catch up. Thank you)

Re: Muslims should expect to be stopped....
 

I can't. But there again, I never claimed that they all were.

Please stop being silly. This is not helping your arguments at all.

Me283 I see little point in continuing this any further as this has ceased to be a reasonable debate.
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Unfortunately, indeed.

Stupid? I certainly think so.
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They should target terrorist *groups*.

They should *NOT* target Islam simply because the terrorists call themselves "Muslims".

No, but I've never said that.

Re: Muslims should expect to be stopped....
 

Here's a question: It appears that these proposed measures may cause friction between Muslims and the rest of society... but according to whom? I may be unaware of it, but I have not heard any gripes from the Muslim Council of Great Britain, for example? It may well be that the Muslim community appreciate the reasoning behind these actions, and fully support them? Is it possible that it is the liberal do-gooders among us who are just stirring up trouble where there may be none? Should we not let the Muslims decide if it offends them, instead of deciding in advance that it will?

Re: Muslims should expect to be stopped....
 

Perhaps you just haven't looked hard enough:

http://www.telegraphindia.com/105030...ry_4447671.asp

Re: Muslims should expect to be stopped....
 

Fair point. Thank you.

Re: Muslims should expect to be stopped....
 

How exactly do you target muslims specifically unless you hang around outside mosques and follow them...

Re: Muslims should expect to be stopped....
 

A very fascinating article.

It even includes a perfect example of the kind of threat we face:

Re: Muslims should expect to be stopped....
 

Great, so let's arrest everyone with a beard... :rolleyes:

Re: Muslims should expect to be stopped....
 

Years ago, when I was young, I was taught about stuff like propoganda and stereotyping. I feel that this is what is being attempted against the muslim community. A while back on BBC2 there was a documentary aired called "The Power of Nightmares". Clearly this showed some new racial stereotpying techniques and how some material is given to the media in order to make the general public scared and therefore frightened of one group. I suggest that, if any of you can, you watch it. It definetly opened my eyes.

In this case it is the Muslim community.

Does anyone remember a while back all the stereotypical aruguments and generalisations about the Irish and the black community ? It is well known that police used to stop black youths a lot more than white youths. In fact I think it is documented in the statistics for crime. the Irish went through stricter customs controls just in case they were coming in with bombs or semtex or guns or something!!

All the government and media are now doing is changing the publics' focus onto something new; a new race, a new threat a new migration problem. The vast majority of the muslim community are decent, hard-working, law abiding citizens whom are not in the least a threat.

There are threads elsewhere on the forum regarding house arrest and the individuals who were locked up in Belmarsh prison, detained without a trial. It has been documented, see The Independent, Daily Mail etc, that these individuals were not in the least a threat. One attended a wedding in Pakistan !! some are now coming out with mental health problems becasue of the incarceration, they were kept in a separate wing with very little privileges. Belmarsh is a category A prison, that means it houses people like Huntley and murderers and all sorts of serious offenders.

Think, what did these guys do ? Luckily the House of Lords has stood up for our rights, and freedom, and stopped the "house arrest" Program from going through.

If we are now to stop every muslim in this country then how are we to resource it for a start. How do we know who is mulism and who isn't ? There are different forms of the faith and different cultures to consider. They don't all have beards and wear long flowing clothes. Albanians and Turkish people are mostly muslim. Their women do not wear the same sort of clothing as those from Pakistan or Iraq. In fact most of them are Westernised, they may just wear a head scarf. Oops isn't that just like the Cathoilics do in some nations ?

I suggest all women here hide their scarves and hats just in case they are stopped !!

It's a question of how far you would like the State to go in invading your civil liberties.

Sian

Re: Muslims should expect to be stopped....
 

Good idea!
Beards are bad!
Ban the beards!


On a more serious note, lets also keep an eye out for anyone acting suspiciously especially if they are acting suspiciously in an area which could be a terrorist target and if they happen to look like they could belong to a terrorist organisation and forget this PC bovine excriment.

Re: Muslims should expect to be stopped....
 

And how do we *tell* if they "happen to look like they could belong to a terrorist organisation"...? :rolleyes:

Here we go round the mulberry bush. Again.