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We need more Doctors and Nurses . . which leads to needing more hospital beds and ambulances.

We also need more Social Care and better infrastructure to run it efficiently.

More Dentists would be a boon, especially NHS rather than private.

Sadly you're not going to afford much of the above by knocking a few quid off pensions ;)


edit: you may find that the 'Conservative silver vote' is a myth, us pensioners have been there, done it, and have all the T shirts. Many probably slam the door in the face of elections now

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Nope, you need better growth and/or higher taxes.

Social care would be a huge bill. We're either going to have to start paying into an insurance fund or something but that is coming down the track. :erm:

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Reform won two seats in the Newark and Sherwood District Council by-election last night.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cpq1wvvq58vo

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Social care is off the scale, there's no way you're getting that back on track in a year or five.

Having some kind of Insurance could be an answer, but 'read the small print' three times before you sign anything ;)

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Reform UK is all about cutting waste, not services. However, if Labour succeed in ruining the economy, which they seem hellbent on doing right now, then all bets are off.

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Reform UK is just about Nigel. As was UKIP, as was the the Brexit party.
Are you spotting a pattern?

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"Reform UK is all about cutting waste, not services.”

OK fine but what if there isn’t any ‘waste’, or more likely there is some ‘waste’ but the amount is insignificant.

Then what do they do?

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There is a point at which there is no more "waste" to cut.

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Put up taxes as they're doing in Kent.

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well . . when nobody can afford to live in Kent we can always use it to house those immigrants, just a short walk from the boat to a nice 3 bed semi :D

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That report is about numbers and types of dwellings, not affordability… ;)

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. . when nobody can afford to live in Kent

due to the (seemingly) exorbitant taxes that Reform are about to unleash upon the poor locals . . . allegedly.

;)

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We’re a long way away from that point.

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Their ability to cut waste in previously Conservative controlled councils is probably limited, but there is tremendous scope if they get into government.

They will save billions on net zero alone, as well as cutting fuel bills for consumers and industry by bringing to an end the crippling green taxes on fossil fuels.

The government wastes a huge amount of money every day.

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Reform's policies will reduce energy sovereignty and will lead to increased costs and price volatility.

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please explain "energy sovereignty", as I thought all energy produced was thrown into a big pot and then sold back to you?

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If it's produced locally eg wind power, hydro-electric, nuclear then it doesn't go into the same big pot that gas and oil do. And its not impacted by overseas countries.

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Wait . . so you're telling me that my Gas and Electric bills are not raised and lowered due to the 'global' prices, but instead it's if the wind blows or the sun shines?

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This can feed into the price. Wholesale prices are cheaper when it's windy or sunny, I use Octopus Agile, which links to the wholesale price by the half-hour (priced a day ahead), and you can see it drop to single pennies on sunny/windy days or as high as 50p when it isn't.

But the price always goes up between 4pm-7pm as there isn't enough renewable energy to sustain the demand.

So your tariff will be informed by renewables but still will vary more because of the global prices.

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Net-zero has already done that.

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The electricity price is pegged to the gas price, regardless.

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It seems I was completely mistaken regarding Net Zero in the UK, it's nothing at all to do with Carbon Emissions, and simply the end target of which all (or most of) the UK will end up with . . absolutely nothing at all.

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Didn't we sell our sovereignty aka oil fields to the highest bidder thus improving Norways sovereign wealth fund, could be wrong, just seems like something we'd do

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Exactly, Seph. Reform advocate that we should use our own fossil fuels rather than import them.

What so many people don’t understand is that we will still need fossil fuels for some time to come until alternative sources of energy can guarantee security of supply.

Reform UK is talking about lot of sense, which is why Starmer and his thick bunch are going out of their way to demonise them.

Well, the indications are that most thinking people are beginning to see through the mud-slinging hyperbole. It might even start to dawn on some regular contributors on this forum, but it still hasn’t quite sunk in yet! :beer:

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Irony, thy name is OLD BOY…

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Thing is you havent got a good track record at picking them OB. First it was St Theresa May, then Bonking Boris, then Loopy Liz, then slimy Sunak - all you said were the Second Coming.... Look where they've got us.

Think you and others need to do thinking before backing another self obsessed nutter.

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As that's impossible, only the hard of thinking will buy into that policy.

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It’s not impossible … just extremely difficult and expensive and therefore highly improbable.

Parliament is sovereign, it can pass and Act unilaterally altering the nature of drilling and extraction licences in the UK sector of the North Sea. It can nationalise all operations if it chooses. In time of war the government could probably do so directly, under emergency requisition, without Parliamentary consent at all.

But, as you say, only the hard of thinking would believe any government in peacetime would take on such a monumentally expensive and destabilising project.

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The sad fact is, they were the best available at the time.

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Or….

They were the worst available at the time, and you supported them…

(and you continue your track record)

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https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/21...IKLsZf6QrzWow#

https://www.itv.com/news/central/202...d-of-christmas

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Just put them on your house or in your garden, thats what some do around here, the council cant remove them.

Also, if Reform councils are doing this, they are surely shooting themselves in the foot, people wont vote for them next time.

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Maybe somebody from a 'higher power' has whispered in their ear . . something along the lines of displaying 'possibly racist' insignia on council property . . obviously a poor show of diversity and inclusion old bean, please remove them :D

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Why would Nigel say that?

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Although if you follow the link provided, the ITVx ‘headline’ is somewhat disingenuous. What the leader of Warwickshire Council actually said was, and I am paraphrasing, but you can always check it yourself;

“wet flags and powered Christmas lights may not be a good combination, so they need to come down for now”; but and this is a direct quote "Then, in the New Year, residents are encouraged to put their flags back up - fresh, tidy and in good condition.

That was[sic]* we honour our flags properly, rather than leaving them to rot.”

And suddenly the entire narrative changes doesn’t it? ITVx aren’t actually lying but relying on most people not bothering to read past the first few lines.

Remind me, what’s that quote associated with Cardinal Richelieu?

"If you give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest of men, I will find something in them which will hang him."

* presumably a typo for 'way'

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Does that mean the "patriots" in Kent were mistaken?

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no it means they aren't qualified electricians

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I believe the word "electricians" is superfluous, in this context…

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It’s a bit desperate……..even for you.

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I don't really mind the flag in places, but do we need them on every lamp post? I was in another town, just outside of London, and it was everywhere. I am not kidding when I say they were on every lamppost, telecoms boxes on the street were painted, so was the roundabout, and there were also bigger flags draped across railings at street level.

I remember that in the UK we used to comment on how it was different between here and America, where they have the flag in classrooms and outside houses, but this is now a whole other level!

It seems fine to have it outside homes, have one flying somewhere central in town and/or on a town hall and things like that. I hadn't see this many flags even during Jubliees, Royal weddings or the World Cup.

Also, it must be costing the people putting them up a fortune. :erm:

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Well, I’ll keep my powder dry.

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Hopefully not in a small plastic bag hidden in the sock drawer :shocked: :D

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I am not sure it's the Palestinian flag tbh, those are relatively isolated to some areas of London and protests, and I am not sure it cuts through.

It seems to have come from a social media craze and then from a perception that they've been told they can't do it, so do so in protest and a general feeling of anger.

A healthier outlet to some of the anger that had exploded the previous summer. People just seem very angry at the moment. I've said on here, maybe this thread, about how some people on Twitter who were relatively normal political commentators have gone completely mad.

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c891...h-notification

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Good

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damn right, a father of seven should be rolling in it and have no need to accept bribes

:D

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I know - imagine having to struggle on £95k plus expenses as an MEP…

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I think we're lucky that it's only Reform that has some dodgy characters in their midst ;)

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I agree - it’s not as if a Foreign Secretary ditched his security detail to visit a Russian oligarch and coterie in their Italian villa…

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The same Russian who he also appointed to the House of Lords? Whose dad was a KGB agent?

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https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2025/11/3.jpg


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Like his mate Trumpy, Farage and Reform will be Putin's puppets and appeasers..

Why do you think the Russians were so in favour of Brexit ?
(Hint: #divide #conquer)

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Would the Conservatives want to, though?
https://www.ft.com/content/ecf577aa-...0-ec566accae33

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Not at all timed to distract from recent headlines about him, honest!

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It must be working, as I dont know what "headlines" you are referring to.

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His responses to the accusations that he was racist at school by multiple other pupils were that 'I would never ever do it in a hurtful or insulting way’ and "never directly really tried to go and hurt anybody."

https://www.itv.com/news/2025-12-02/...oughout-school

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that brings back memories of my school days ,Smelly, fatty ,four eyes, moggie , Gordon the geek ...

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You can always tell when something is scaring the shite out of present Governments, and the institutions that hang on to their coat tails, by the ever increasing lengths of desperation they turn to in order to paint them in a bad light.

Dragging stuff up that's probably 45 years old, from back in the days when we had blackboards at school, when a gollywog was a kids doll, and when parents and teachers actually had the sense to punish naughty disruptive children.

It's all heading the same way as the run up to Brexit, keep attacking it by any and all means possible, while telling people they must be stupid uneducated mouth breathing morons to even consider voting for it. Didn't that go well ;)

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No, I don't think so as it's been said behind closed doors.

I think it's been said to convince the donors that their money won't be wasted as Reform will get in power whether it's through a merger with the Conservative Party or through an electoral alliance with them.

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Yes, in the 70s saying to your Jewish classmates ’gas them all’ was just like using the word blackboard…

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I seem to remember us kids saying, and doing, lots of stuff in the late 60's early 70's.

Thankfully the justice system and law courts wouldn't be able to cope if it all got brought back up, however a bit of mud slinging at a 'person of interest' goes a long way in the media ;)

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It's only right that politicians are held to account for their actions. Farage has traditionally been given plenty of platform time and little scrutiny. That's now starting to change and rightly so.

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Pretty sure I never went up to my Jewish school friends and said "gas them all", or to the Black and Asian ones saying "send them home"…

Did you?

There’s a huge difference between playground banter and racism…

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What, when he was a kid? Do come off it, you are as bad as they are, making up stupid stuff.

The point is, he has a set of policies that none of the other parties like, but they know this is really what most people want. That, and nothing else, is the issue, and not what Farage did when he was a mischievous youngster (if indeed that is even true - people will say anything these days).

As for scrutiny, you will find regular press conferences given by Nigel Farage and Zia Yusuf, when the press have plenty of opportunity to quiz them over their policies and their personal convictions. Watch them on YouTube. The fact that you don’t hear much about it is because the mass media and the opposition politicians want to shut them up. So they just sling mud and make false accusations.

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Nor did Farage, according to Farage. People making allegations does not make it true.

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Not Really.
Pretty sure some banter when I was a kid would be classed as "racism" now.
There is also a big difference between proven facts and unproven accusations.

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Happy campaigning :woot:

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rubber lips had a bust up on question time

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ant-stunt.html

I don't know how people like this guy. He makes me sick.

Farage on the other hand seems to echo citizens concerns which is about it to be honest, echoing Putin then claiming it his... Anywho Mr righteousness speaks for his friend rubber lips..

https://www.gbnews.com/politics/vide...t-up-zia-yusuf

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My ears stick out. Feel free to call me Dumbo or anything similar. I don't have social media for a reason or I'd link it ;)

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:LOL:

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Zia talks a lot of sense, in my opinion.

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I reckon he should depart for the country his parents legally came from.

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Although I agree with the audience member in this case, I don't have as much of a problem with politicians rebuking the audience on Question Time. I don't know why we've elevated voters to untouchables, no matter what they say. You hear absolute morons on QT, from people who don't understand how tax bands work, to people spouting conspiracy theories, to just unhinged people. The politician should be able to say 'nah, you're wrong' instead of pandering to them. Some voters are absolute morons who have brain-eating bacteria starving to death in their heads.

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Farage was 17 or 18 when he was alleged to have said these things. Not a kid as you state. Farage says 20 people can't possibly remember that far back yet for someone reason he has super-human powers and can!

That's the kind of nonsense that you might readily swallow, but I don't. One thing most of the country has learnt is to start believing the victims. We're seeing Reform in full-on Donald Trump mode. If you were Jewish and someone made such comments to you when you were a teenager then it would be hard to forget them. Particularly as there would be generations still alive who had fled Nazi persecution whose traumatic life stories would be all too familiar to you.

Remember, we're not talking about an old-fashioned use of language but what seems to be very hurtful bullying of minorities which has led to holocaust survivors asking him to apologise.

No one's perfect in their teenage years. But Farage would be better off apologising for his behaviour then and disowning those opinions now. Calling the victims liars is only making the situation worse.

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So you’ve found him guilty. Where’s your evidence?

If you actually did your research, Farage denies these allegations and has received letters of support from those who knew him, who gives rather different picture than this whining political opportunist. He’s no more than a mudslinger.

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Do you finally acknowledge that these accusations are from when he was 17/18 and not a kid?

These accusations are stronger than simply being mischievous:

https://news.sky.com/story/nigel-far...laims-13479621

Repeating what Farage says in a rant is not doing your own research. You need to apply some critical thinking to this.

There's multiple named accusers here. And Farage has quoted one unnamed person in his support but said he's received other letters too. Which evidence do you think is strongest?

https://news.sky.com/story/nigel-far...laims-13479621

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Anyone that uses a link to Sky News in an argument has instantly lost it as far as I'm concerned, they're about as trustworthy as any other 'influencer'

It's a wonder you haven't asked AI what it thinks . . or maybe you have?

:p:

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What's the most trustworthy news source out of these three? A teenage wannabe influencer on TikTok who's not done a day's work in her life? A channel licensed as entertainment funded by a billionaire in Dubai (GB News)? Or a regulated TV news channel like Sky News? ;)

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None of the above, they're all some kind of brainwashing gimmick :D

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Who gives a toss what he may or may not have said 43 years ago. Its a completely different era.
As I'm sure members know, I cant stand the guy, but seriously, this feels like desperation on someones part.

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This is the BBC being totally biased

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Very rude? You are going woke, Seph! He merely suggested that people asking questions should listen to the answers. Sounds reasonable to me, but if anyone was hurt by my comment, I can only profusely apologise to avoid cancellation…:erm:

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Andrew, your desperation to paint Nigel Farage as a nasty racist is clouding your judgement. This is an allegation, which he has denied, and he is supported by those who knew him. This is nothing more than mud slinging.

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I think Old Boy you're over-reacting. One person thinking another rude is subjective, it doesn't mean they're woke.

I didn't watch it but if that's what he said then I'm sympathetic to his request to the audience to listen to the answers.

I advise you to read my answers and actually look at the facts on this issue as they stand.

For starters, there are multiple allegations from named individuals. And a teacher's letter from the time. He has cited one unnamed person in his defence. It's not one lone wolf who was mud-slinging.

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He said, they said, his mate said, and his mate's mate said . . and I've got a letter I kept safe for 49 years in case I ever needed it, and . . and . .


:rolleyes:

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It was never acceptable in the 1970s to sing songs to Jews about gas chambers which is what the allegations are about.
I do get that other things were more acceptable then eg to call your local takeaway after the shape of the owner's eyes, etc. But the allegations are not about this.

Why it's news today is because
-20 people have come forward as Farage's party is leading the polls and he could become the next Prime Minister. They are not political opponents, but fellow ex-pupils who went to an elite public school.
-Farage has taken the allegations very badly and thew a huge hissy fit the other day on the BBC asking it to apologise for its 1970s sitcoms and saying because of these sitcoms, it could not ask him about the allegations. It showed a side to Farage that many had not seen before.
-Reform has gone full Trump on the allegations. Farage has not denied them but played the 'of a different era' card. Tice who did not go to Dulwich College with Trump has denied them.
-Numerous links to racism from Reform politicians continue to surface.

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It's news today because desperate wokies are trying to sink reform, personally i don't care about farages alleged school hi jinx and wheezes, what matters is now

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Tbh even if he did say those things its likely to attract the sort of people drawn to Reform.

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If you want to call Jews wokies and gas chamber songs wheezes then fill your boots.

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https://archive.ph/ADWys

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It shows real stupidity when calling a person born to a Pakistani family a “narcissistic Pakistani” is deemed to be racist.

He's a British Pakistani, and to some people he's also narcissistic . . so where's the problem?


oh yeah, the problem is (as mentioned before) the Institutions are shit scared of being toppled, and Reform are now doing silly things to their own membership before the media 'finger pointing' takes hold