Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

Indeed. The best thing I've seen this week is Hancocks Half Hour ( made in 1958) on 'That's tv'. We've lost the knack of doing sitcoms and are more obsesssed with picture definition or surround sound..... All irrelevant if the contents crap.

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

Fleabag, Derry Girls, Detectorists, The Thick Of It, The IT Crowd, Extras, The Inbetweeners, Black Books, Peep Show, Catastrophe, Phoenix Nights, Spaced, Extras, Ghosts, Green Wing, Gavin & Stacey, Brassic, Peter Kay’s Car Share, The Office, Bluestone 42, My Family, Coupling, Outnumbered, Pulling, etc., etc…

Get with the 21st Century, granddad… ;)

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

FAST channels are not the future. They are a passing fad.

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

According to you, a "passing fad" that will last until after 2035… (from your post 27/08/2024)

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...T#post36182096

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

without being idiotic what is

TPTV? What is Rewind? can anyone confirm the channel numbers. didn't even know these channels existed.

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

So you say, without offering any evidence and completely ignoring audience stats.

https://www.broadcastnow.co.uk/rapid...189856.article
https://www.statista.com/outlook/dmo...ldwide#revenue
https://whipmedia.com/wp-content/upl...nnels_2023.pdf

Although, never let a few facts get in the way of a prophecy. :D

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

Talking Pictures tv, channel 445. You'll love it :)

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

TPTV is Talking Pictures TV on channel 445. Rewind isn't on Virgin, it's on Sky and last I heard they were looking into starting on Freesat and Freeview.

A lot of the smaller channels don't join Virgin because it costs too much compared to the other platforms and the extra ad revenue wouldn't cover the extra costs.

I've often wondered why Virgin don't agree to pay a notional carriage fee for these poorer channels to cover most of the price that FTA channels have to pay in order to be carried on cable. This way they make a little money and it's a better service for their customers.

When the UKTV channels were removed lots of channels like Hirse & Country were added to try and make up for it, so there must be some way to do it.

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

Interesting point from your third link

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...5&d=1731055891

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

Digital Bits Rate has reveal that Virgin Media UK ARE SET to move That's Christmas (aka That's TV 3) soon to a new channel number.

Given that - That's TV 2 is set to launch on Virgin Channel 151 soon (Source
@UKCTVC).

So I feel will move from Virgin Channel 296 to Virgin Channel 152.

https://www.digitalbitrate.com/files...g?v=1731046607

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

What I said was that they were a passing fad. I don’t deny or discount the fact that they have a growing audience right now, but my view is that the interest will subside over a few years as people want something new to watch.

The key really is the content, and if they manage to be profitable enough to screen new content, then clearly this will change things. I think the streaming channels are best suited to one-off dramas, films and general entertainment, because with a TV drama series you are following, these channels screen episodes one after the other and it’s difficult to nail down when the next episode outside of that sequence will be screened, due to the lack of a programme guide.

I guess we’ll have to wait and see, but I think these channels will be short-lived. I am happy to be proved wrong, though. If that’s really what people want, fair dos.

The younger generation like to view these one-off videos such as you see on YouTube - cat and dog videos and people doing stupid things, and perhaps that is what the FAST channels will morph into over time.

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

The evidence shows otherwise with year on year growth forecast over the next few years. All backed by advertisers as this is utopia for them, the ability to target and track the audience. That is where a lot of the money is.

There has always been a massive market for archive content. The content which they grew up watching or just that they have grown comfortable with. I don't really agree with your theory about one off dramas, that's a pattern for people who like to get absorbed in big drama productions, which isn't everyone. Much of the time, nowadays, we get TV channels releasing a whole series online as they start to show weekly episodes of a new show. Meanwhile, the streamers often adopt the method used by linear broadcasters and release a new episode each week. In any event, FAST channels are ideally suited to news, music channels etc which on-demand streamers are not.

We don't really have to wait and see. Just follow the stats and see how things develop. Remembering that advertisers and the whole marketing industry has a vested interest in this doing well.

Viewing cat and dog videos is more the way older generations use YouTube etc. TikTok, YouTube Shorts and the like are conditioning younger generations to expect their content in compartmentalised 2 minute packages. They don't develop the concentration span to watch long drama productions, so we'll have to see what impact that has on your prediction for the on-demand future.

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The channel move has been confirmed by UKCTVC on their X feed.
https://x.com/UKCTVC

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

anything coming soon for the tv360? software update? new channels? new apps? ill take anything at this point...

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

Not heard of UKCTVC before. What does it stand for and who are they?

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

The latest version of the 360 software is 5.14. It is beginning to roll out to all 360 boxes. With this version the streaming apps are snappier.

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

I only have news on Channel changes that may happen by Friday (November 15th):

151 - That's TV 2 (NEW to Virgin Media UK)
152 - That's Christmas (Known as That's TV again in January 2025 - Virgin will move it from Channel 296).

I have seen nothing on any of the following That's Media Channels also being set to launch on Virgin Media:

That's Dance
That's Fabulous
That's Melody

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Stand for UK Cable TV Changes

They also runs one for Freeview/Freely:

UK Terrestrial TV Changes -
https://twitter.com/UKTTVC

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

NOTE TO ALL##

*My Virgin Media TV review of 2024 will be posted on December 14th anytime after 4pm
*Virgin TV (2025) will be launch on Cable Forum SOMETIME on December 30th.

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

Thanks, I actually use that site, I thought it was a broadcaster or something that I hadn't heard of

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

These type of channels are not on Sky Stream either.

Talking Pictures and the That's TV channels are on Sky satellite but NOT stream. The channels on VirginMedia linear are also on VirginMedia Stream.

Rewind is not on Sky Stream.

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

It's just the support feed on X for https://ukcabletvchanges.blogspot.com
Abbreviated, presumably, for people who don't like to type the whole name.

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

Speedier apps with the latest 360 software? Sounds decent. Apps are already quite fast. Do we know if anything else is coming up with this new update?

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

Parmount+ goes 4K on 20th November - hopefully the VM app will have it.

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

Overnight changes:
Housekeeping changes as Virgin TV moves some of the SD channels between transport streams.
Further details:
https://ukcabletvchanges.blogspot.com/
Also on X and now on Bluesky
https://ukctvc.bsky.social

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

Virgin Media Changes:

NEW CHANNEL LAUNCH:

151. That's TV 2

CHANNEL MOVED:

152. That's Christmas (Was on Channel 296)

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

Anyone got the new 360 software update

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

I've got 5.14 on my stream box. According to VM's community forum, it's supposed to add episode info to the FAST channels to the TV Guide, but it doesn't look any different to me.

https://community.virginmedia.com/t5...e/ba-p/5527364

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

I can see no difference. Maybe the capability to add information on episodes has been added, but Virgin hasn’t enabled it yet.

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

Have you now got rid of the 360 in favour of stream?

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

Nope i don't see any difference either really. shame they couldn't be a bit clearer what was updated

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

Let me know when the 360 gets upgraded with Tivo functions and I'll go for it.

In fact I think I must have the Tivo 'upgrade' already, so I'm ahead of you ;)

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

That was my plan, but we still haven't got Discovery+, and I need that as my wife enjoys TLC, DMax, Discovery, etc.

So I have accepted a cheaper deal for the same content that they offered me, which is some consellation.

I understand that Discovery+ is to be replaced by Max in 2026, and I think that the information about Discovery+ coming to Virgin this year has been superceded as a result.

So I will review our subscriptions at that time, and in the light of the monthly charges Virgin is now making for their Virgin Stfeam boxes.

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

not really sure what i'm missing compared to the v6? i particularly love the watchlist functionality which means i can immediately access something on demand without needing to record.

more apps, the box is quicker and recordings work perfectly. plus i now get sky sports + too.

genuinely not sure what i'm missing and i had the v6 for ten years and the original tivo for like 5 years!

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

You're missing :-

• Wishlists
• undelete
• series link+
• series link manager
• suggestions
• skip-back on fast-forward
• quickview
• default recording options
• cancelling individual recordings from a series link
• multi-channel series links
• allowing recording of radio
• separation of recordings between boxes
• watching recordings when internet is not available
• a lot of programme info on the epg

VM however is gaining the cost of your Tivo licence so it's an 'upgrade' for them !

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

Wow , never sure how much to believe you , but taking that is correct , don't see why anyone would swap :erm:

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

My internet was down for four days and was able to watch individual recordings on the 360.

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

Any comments about the rest:confused:

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

SkySports+
I only ever watch live sport
The only thing I record is MotD and MotD 2

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

Episode info is now there on my box - still on 5.14 so I'm not sure what was going on.

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

• Wishlists - we have that with watchlist?
• undelete - it'll just be on demand to recover?
• series link+ - recording series works fine
• series link manager- can amend series? never needed to go into that before
• suggestions - suggestions were absolutely awful!
• skip-back on fast-forward- can watch from the start of a program?
• quickview- no idea what this was never used it.
• default recording options- again i only used recording of a series or a program no idea what this is. never used it
• cancelling individual recordings from a series link- just let it record and then delete it?
• multi-channel series links- it just records everything on 360 and i delete what i dont need?
• allowing recording of radio- can stream past bbc radio shows on bbc sounds
• separation of recordings between boxes- You can filter that to show whats recorded on individual box
• watching recordings when internet is not available- this can be done
• a lot of programme info on the epg- info is absolutely fine on epg not sure about this one!!

a lot of the things you mention 1) aren't a big deal and most people have never used before or 2) things which the 360 can do its just called by a different name.

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

On TiVo:
Wishlists allow you to select parameters to record from all channels at once - so for example you can record ALL programmes on any channel which is (say) ACTOR BRUCE WILLIS
Undelete - a lot of stuff is never available on demand or via any app
Series Link + is where you can select a single series link for NEW only, all or old for a particular programme - whatever channel it airs on.
Series link manager - allows a series to get a higher priority over another if short on tuners at a particular time.
Suggestions - yes - they were awful.
Skip back - this is when you stop a fast forward at the point you see is required then the unit rewinds a few seconds so it actually starts at the point your saw.
Recording of radio - it was not just BBC I was recording

Techincally the 360 is better and seems faster software - but is missing a lot of useful features.

But they ain't coming back

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

'All fur coat and no knickers' sums the 360 up. Might appeal to those who like looks over function ( and love Apple products for the same reason).

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I find Quickview very useful. E.g say you want to watch the film 'Cleopatra', but don't have 4 hours spare. Quickview let you see it in 2.5 hours without affecting audio or losing content. The 360 won't get this, it's Tivo patented.

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

360 has a default recording option in Settings -System-Recording settings

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

As well as all that, it is worth mentioning that the early issues some had with the 360 have long since been resolved. You can, in fact, select certain programmes in a series link not to record. Just go to recordings under ‘View All’ or select ‘Episodes’ and delete what you don’t want.

Suggestions are also available on the 360, it’s just not called that. Instead, you go to ‘Recommended for you’ on the Home page and the programmes highlighted in this section are far more relevant to me than ‘Suggestions’ ever were.

There are default recording options on the 360, but I can’t remember what these options were on the TiVo. I dare say they are pretty similar.

As for programme information on the EPG, to the best of my recollection, the same information appears on the 360 as for the TiVo.

So most of the features people on here believe that the 360 doesn’t have, are in fact there, but with sometimes a different means of accessing them.

In addition, of course, the 360 has profiles (a ‘must have’ unless you live alone), more apps and voice control.

It is faster than the TiVo, and there’s no lagging or freezing.

If you are using your remote in a darkened room, the keys light up.

As for the wishlists, it is true to say that if there are no shows matching your search on the system, the 360 won’t show it. But if it is somewhere on the system, it will find if for you. I have just searched for the director Alfred Hitchcock and is has come up with 27 results.

Yes, some things are different, but no two systems are exactly the same. The 360 certainly isn’t the downgrade that some of you make it out to be. Although the TiVo was good when I had it, I wouldn’t go back to it now.

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

Does it still have 6 tuners?

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

Wow this is getting confusing :shocked: still I am a " if it ain't broke don't fix it" kind of guy. So won't change until forced to:cool:

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

Yes it can still record 6 programmes at once.

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

Dates to look out for:

December:
21st. I will reveal ''Media Boy UK Best of and review of 2024'' some time after 4pm.
29th. Virgin TV (2025) will launch only on Cable Forum.

And I won't be number one this christmas on the list of posters on this thread.

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

Agreed. It will be Maria Carey again ;)

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

As a point of interest, I have two 360 boxes converted from V6s. I could record 12 programmes simultaneously if I wished. Actually, I have never needed to record more than three at any one time - and that was only because of overlaps.

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

Beginning of the week is when I have mess about with recording . Mainly with overlaps :rolleyes:

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

I live alone and I think profiles are brilliant.

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

Multiple personality? ;)

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

Virgin Media UK signs new Sky deal?

UK Cable TV Changes is tonight reporting that Virgin Media UK has updated their list of FAST Channels that is maybe coming soon to Virgin:

Added:
*Sky Artist of Year - assigned to channel 239
*Sky Sports Stories - assigned to channel 558
*Sky Sports Classics - assigned to channel 559
*Sky Sports Vault - assigned to channel 560

Moved:
*Hell's Kitchen - moved to channel 233

Removed:
*Red Bull TV
*VEVO '90s & '00s.

https://x.com/UKCTVC/status/1861167075923726821
https://x.com/UKCTVC/status/1861135891990794276
https://x.com/UKCTVC/status/1861135893668528290
https://x.com/UKCTVC/status/1861135895325237466

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

Sky Artist of Year was subsequently renamed Sky Artist of theYear.
The Hell's Kitchen channel change is in the pre-launch configuration.
Red Bull TV & VEVO '90s & '00s weren't removed completely, the slates were removed and the services were transferred to placeholder SIDs, so possibly "mothballed" for now but still under consideration for a future launch.
Full details:
https://ukcabletvchanges.blogspot.com/
Also on Bluesky

Fun fact:
The slate notifying viewers of the movement of That's Christmas is overdue for removal. TV360 viewers (not subscribed to TNT Sport) won't have seen the slate as Virgin TV forgot to update the subscription codes from the TNT Sport codes used the last time the slate was used. V6 viewers will have seen the slate thanks to a subscription code override flag.

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

The new Sky Sports + red button app has now been released to V6 TiVO boxes. The HD multi screen service can be accessed via the red button on channel 508 & 518.

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

Yes rumours about this started circulating this afternoon. Good news though. Now Virgin just need to add a few more apps to the V6 to keep everyone happy.

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

Yes good news. I suppose they still expect you to have a Sky Sports subscription. Very unreasonable if so ;)

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

Not likely

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

Virgin and keep everyone happy is an oxymoron :cool:

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

There's always a snag. :D

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How else can they keep adding free stuff and telling their customers they have been given it at no extra cost. ;)

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Ofcom would probably agree with you...

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

My V6 box has confirmed that Sky Sports Darts HD will appear on Sky Sports F1 HD from December 13th at 6am.

UPDATE - Base on my V6 box - Sky Sports F1 UHD will become also Sky Sports Darts UHD from December 13th.

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

That's what I keep telling myself

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

Ha ha! No, he probably uses the profiles to differentiate between types of programmes on the watchlist (eg films, dramas, music, etc).

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

sky sports FAST channels? i assume this is to get customers intrigued into the sky sports product?

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

The Sky Sports FAST channels are mainly the archive programmes they used to film the main channels when their premium content was much less.

They have been on SkyQ and Samsung tv kit for a while.

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

It is not a physical app in the V6 apps section. It sits behind the red button on the Sky Sports channels, so you can only access it if you are a Sky Sports subscriber. The app has always been there, it has just been upgraded so that the satellite feed Sky used to drive it can be shut down. If they could give us the full functionality, that would really be something!

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

what apps are we missing still from the 360?

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

It's apps that are missing from V6 not 360 - Apple TV+ , Disney+ , Paramount+ , MUBI and U app.

Discovery+ is noticeable one missing from both and I wouldn't expect it to ever get added now.

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

So perhaps better off with v6 and a smart tv :rolleyes:

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

Yes much better idea.

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

I agree - I think we’ll have to wait for the Max app before we get the Discovery+ content. Talks on that have been held already with Virgin Media.

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It depends what you want from the system, Itshim. There’s no watchlist on Smart TVs, for example.

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

Never used it , as you say depends what you need , does the v6 not have something that would work ?

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

If you mean watchlists, yes, but it’s called bookmarking on the TiVo, if I remember correctly.

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

Or just ignore them as with most FAST channels. ;)

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Or dedicated streaming devices as they are always going to have more apps available than Virgin boxes or smart TVs (except maybe Roku o/s TVs although they tend to be low spec.)

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This reminds me of many years ago when you used to make similar claims for Sky Atlantic. :D

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

Especially when new subscriptions or even being to resubscribe will stop in early 2026 when Max launches

They are actually shutting down Discovery+ this month in Spain and The Netherlands next Monday, Brazil in January.

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It was reported in The FT reported that WBD is in discussions with other platforms including Amazon Prime, Virgin Media, and EE about Max.

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

Yes, I got that one wrong, didn’t I? ;)

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

Or dedicated streaming devices as they are always going to have more apps available than Virgin boxes or smart TVs (except maybe Roku o/s TVs although they tend to be low [

My LG and or Samsung have all the ones I use , but that's not many:p:

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

Sure but you aren't going to use the apps it doesn't have if you don't have any other devices.

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It has been reported in various places but that's my point. Back in the day the press often reported that Sky and Virgin were in discussions over Sky Atlantic. My only concern here is why not add Discovery+ as a precursor app.?
I really don't see why Virgin TV users shouldn't get to see the number of cookies Discovery+ tries to force on its paying users.

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

Haven't seen ads etc , for any app that I would want ie no interest in Disney, paramount+ or discovery +. I only use sky news , cnn , I player & itv x. Can get ruku (?) but lives to short to bother :shocked:

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

If you’re content with what you have, Itshim, then be happy!

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

I mean niche apps tailored to specific interests rather than generic entertainment. They are usually fairly pricey so your budget will be healthier if you avoid them.

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News of a possible Amazon tie up seems to be gathering momentum.
https://www.tvbeurope.com/media-deli...y-euro-markets

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

It's already available as Prime Video channel in US , Brazil, Mexico, Colombia, France and Spain, most recently it was added to Prime Video channels in Sweden and The Netherlands so seems like a possibility in UK , Germany and Italy.

No real difference to say Apple TV+ via Prime Video channels which launched yesterday.

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

Sorry I have no idea what you are referring to:shocked:

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

True. It does mean, however, that it is easier for for potential viewers to subscribe. The Prime Video app is more likely to be available on devices with apps curated by the provider / device manufacturer etc than a stand-alone app.

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Indeed, lots of people will be unaware of thousands niche apps is they don't have a dedicated streaming device. For example, you could get Manilow TV for £6.99 / month with videos of Barry Manilow's concerts over the decades.
Personally, I'd be more likely to pay that not to have to watch but to each his own.

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

AppleTV+ on Prime you will have to pay for - AppleTV+ direct always has 'offer' subscriptions availlable from somewhere.

EE, O2, Sky and VirginMedia all gave them out for three months free sub - Curry's currently are - Roku did.

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

i don't really understand how would it help MAX if they're distributed by Amazon?

When i read this i thought amazon, MAX and Paramount were partnering up to do a combined app. Imagine that. Pigs could fly tho!

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

The Max Premium tier still isn't available via Prime where it's available for some reason , only via the Max app or still HBO Max in the case of The Netherlands.

I wonder what the chances are of Disney+ and Max bundle like in the US with Disney+ , Hulu and Max bundle.

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

I don't think Max US Premium tier is available anywhere other than direct.

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

New service Cruise1st.tv added to the NIT of 3 internal networks used for pre-launch configurations, flagged as Entertainment & HD and assigned a pre-launch channel number of 758 (subject to change).
For further details of this and other changes see:
https://ukcabletvchanges.blogspot.com

I can see the tears of joy already...
Wait! is that joy??? ;)

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

I guess it depends whether you like shopping channels.

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

I suppose it is a little different to most of the shopping channels but really not something I will be watching.

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

Max benefits being on as many platforms as possible as that increases audience share, which means more advertising revenue.

You have to pay extra to Max to get the subscription version.

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

Your really know how to sell it :shocked:

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

Is there a non-subscription of Max then?

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

No, the basic with ads tier is €5.99 in Europe, €9.99 for Standard tier and €13.99 for 4K Premium tier., Eurosport is €5 add on , this is supposed to be getting folded into TNT Sports in the UK around the same time as the Max UK launch.

Not only was Discovery+ closed in Spain and The Netherlands on 9th , it was closed in Denmark and Finland aswell.

https://support.discoveryplus.com/fi...tail/000004067

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

I'm not trying to sell it. More choice will inevitably mean more content which isn't universally appealing, that's the whole point.

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

Clearly you need to be replied to in simple English .;)

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

More simple than "Your" really know how to sell it?

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 

What ever you say:D

Re: Virgin TV (2024)