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l am not surprised it ain't going down well when you look what many have to pay for sadly as in many cases it is a third rate service with premium service prices and worst of all some have to stand up for their journey.

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To be honest I think the price freeze is a bad policy even before you consider part of it could never be delivered on anyway. TFL is a pretty decent provider and as much as I dislike paying more money I would rather the costs reflect the delivery of the service and the continued investment required in the network to avoid it collapsing. If you freeze prices which not only stops that from happening but is a real-terms cut in funding when you take into account inflation. TFL will have to find the money elsewhere or face budgets cuts somewhere else.

The tube is one of the oldest in the world and is dealing with constant increases in capacity. TFL have been continually improving the network from the trains to the signals to entirely new lines and still they have to fight this old network such as modern demands of it.

I am all for cheaper tickets but that should be done by reducing the cost of providing the service whilst protecting future investment rather than artificially freezing fares.

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And Labour were in charge for 13 years before that. This is a huge problem and it requires a lot of work to sort it out. Unfortunately, politicians on both sides have found this to be a problem so huge that they could only tinker around the edges or pour more money into it.

At least the government is working on some pratical solutions - training more doctors and nurses, increasing surgery hours, etc. However, this is not a problem you can solve with a click of your fingers. This'll take many years to sort out.

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So all the stuff about being more trustworthy and getting more done than Boris was a load of old guff and he knew it. These people will say almost anything to get elected and then worry about the consequences which all too often will be promotion, titles, Westminster gravy train... :rolleyes:

No wonder people are cynical.

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With the sort of parliamentary majority which would have enabled them to do virtually anything had they wanted to. They didn't and after they left office the NHS was saddled with huge amounts of PFI debt to service. More NHS privatisation went on during that period than since.

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Yes, the Labour opposition have a very cynical approach to the NHS. They do very little while in power then complain about its poor service when they leave office, as if none of that had anything to do with them.

They may have created it, but they are not the best gang to run it.

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l don't doubt that but don't give us the old ******** that the Conservatives don't have the same cynical approach to a good many things including the NHS.

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Given my experiences in the last few decades neither is very good at running it as they play politics with it to suit their own political ends sadly.

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What are Predictions for tomorrows Cabinet reshuffle.... ;)

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Jeremy Hunt for promotion. He's done brilliant job on the NHS....

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Someone will blame Brexit... :D

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Good question.
I'm hearing that DD, BoJo and the Fox will keep their positions. Education and Transport may see some changes.

The Sunday Times says Greg Clark (business) and Andrea Leadsom are seen as “dead wood” by Downing Street so could be on the way out.

The FT says Mr K's drinking buddy Jeremy Hunt is tipped for promotion.

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I think if Hunt is moved from the NHS role it will be a start. There are many in the NHS who will celebrate his departure.

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A lot of the Parliamentary Tory Party like Hunt because they feel he has taken all the flack from the NHS troubles instead of them or the leadership of the party and that he is loyal to both Cameron and May. So it wouldn't a surprise to see him promoted.

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Position for Jacob Rees-Mogg perhaps ?

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I would be surprised. Both that he'll be offered one or accept it. I don't think anyone too much on the Brexit or Remain side will be offered one for fear of kicking off a fight. Rees-Mogg is also a rather 'interesting' figure that might draw too much focus both positive and negative....

In terms of new members of the cabinet I think it will consist of fresh faces from the 2010-2015 intake. The next generation etc.

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This does not sound good....

Tory MP Anne Milton is tipped to replace Jeremy Hunt as Health Secretary.

Her husband, Dr Graham Henderson, has connections to Richard Branson’s Virgin Care. :erm:

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You can rearrange the deck chairs on the Titanic but the end result is still the same..;)

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He is the darling amongst the Tory members so it would not surprise me if he was given a position.

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If that is the case then that is cronyism at its very worse..

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James Brokenshire resigns as Northern Ireland secretary for health reasons.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-politics-live

Lets hope he makes a full recovery from his illness.

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Looks like the Tories compertence has stuck again.

They sent out a WhatsApp message to all Tory MPs that Chris Grayling would be Party Chairman.
A Times Reporter also heard this this morning.
And the Conservative Twitter account tweeted this picture:

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...01/1.jpg:large

The problem? Chris Grayling has not been made Party Chairman :D (It's Brandon Lewis if anyone cares).

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Good grief how can one make such a bungled incompetent mistake like that.:Yikes::eeek:

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Their website was down too as the security certificate had not been renewed! http://www.independent.co.uk/life-st...-a8147676.html

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This Tweet from Rupert Harrison.:D

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Hunt remains Health Minister (now renamed to include social care) after refusing a move to Business which in turn means Greg Clark stays. All the Brexit ministers stay in their roles including Johnson. Rudd Stays. Javid stays. Hammon stays. Williamson stays.

A new Party Chairman and NI Secretary.

Terrible reshuffle. Looks like Hunt and Johnson refusing to move scuppered it all.

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And that's all that was needed; it's not musical chairs, it's primarily about continuity.

I also think Damian Green could have stayed and JB as we know is unwell.

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And Justine Greening quits government.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-42602570

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Wouldn’t accept the welfare post. Been a bit of a disaster this.

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I could not agree more.

Wow, there is something we 'politically' agree on. :D

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Jeremy Hunt seen 'liking a tweet', that mentions the resignation of Justine Greening...

Says he pressed 'like' by accident...

Can someone tell me if Benny Hill will appear from some where next in Downing Street... ?

https://twitter.com/Jeremy_Hunt/stat...61803997384704

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https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/stat...832943104?s=17
It's all part of Theresa masterplan, she's is a remainer after all ,;)

Keep up the good work on the NHS Jeremy, no one could do it like you..

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Yvette Cooper, Labour MP always has a blunt response to incompetence...

Don't normally agree with the Labour benches but she is spot on.

This was by far the worst Cabinet reshuffle day, ever.

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I have seen enough to be frank...

Someone needs to do this... for real...

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So which one of the many talents in the cabinet, will rescue us Mick? :erm:

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Almost worrying ;)

I don't understand why they didn't plan better for this? Did no one sound out Hunt to see if he wanted to leave the Health department? Why allow weeks of speculation of a reshuffle without being sure you can pull if off.

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It's not the cabinet I have issues with, it's the leadership, May is a walking disaster for the Tories. I was prepared to give her a chance but she's monumentally blown it for me. Time to step aside.

I mean that was not the only issue when she gave that speech when she was handed her P45. The set behind her fell apart and she lost her voice.

Nothing Strong and Stable about it....

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Be fair, she's one of those 'Stable Genius' type of people ;)

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Greening is probably the weirdest one. By all accounts she was liked in the sector, by her department and her cabinet colleagues. It seems she was doing fine at education yet May moves her anyway? Whilst keeping Hunt at health as he removes to move?

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Sorry Mr K, don't think Trump approves... :D

BREAKING: Trump disapproves sharing his Stable Genius title with Theresa May...

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/at...1&d=1515449837

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lol :D:D:D

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Policy disagreement with Theresa May. Greening was not obsessed with new grammar schools preferring instead to improve all schools. May's pet interest apart is the establishment of more grammar schools.
Now Remainer Greening will be on the sidelines and keeping a watching brief on Brexit - so another problem Theresa May has created for herself.

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Maybe that's what Damian Green's role would have been but surely as you say, someone from May's team would have done their homework and made discrete enquiries through third parties of Hunt, Greening etc.
The same incompetence arose with Toby Young when Theresa May was caught off guard in the Andrew Marr show and shown not to have commissioned research on his social media comments. Basic due diligence.
It seems evident that the accusations of the Government's machinery bowing under the weight of the Brexit negotiations have some validity.

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That is such FAKE NEWS ! :D

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018...plans-appoint/
Loving some of the readers comments in the Torygraph, this evening, never knew such hate and bile was possible ! It keeping me well amused (there's not much in the telly ;)).
Keep up the good work PM !

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Lol, it's funny seeing all the Telegraph readers finally waking up to the long overdue realisation that Theresa Mayhem is indeed an apt nickname and that the Coalition of Chaos is an accurate description for her government.

Less funny according to the FT's legal correspondent David Allen Green is this

https://twitter.com/davidallengreen?...-politics-live

Maybe May is secretly sabotaging Brexit!

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The good news that the new Minister of Justice David Gauke (my MP) used to be a corporate lawyer, breaking a run of four previous minister who weren't legally qualified.

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Typical Labour nastiness and hypocrisy...

https://order-order.com/2018/01/10/t...ynching-mcvey/

So much to say about nastiness, abuse, bullying, intimidation etc. except their own...

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How Britain thinks so please discuss..

http://britainthinks.com/pdfs/The-Ye...s_09.01.18.pdf

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Pointless discussing the results of a survey of a small representative sample.

c.2.500 people represent the feelings of over 60m???

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Well this is why we have elections rather than let polls decide everything but they don't just get a random sample of 2,500. They balance out the sample with different demographics and then weight it to reflect society. It's not like an internet poll or asking random people in the street.

It does tend to work. They are quite good at this kind of thing and it's in use everyday in all sorts of industries.

Even the polling errors people like to cite are still roughly correct, at least in terms of sheer numbers if not when they try to project seats.

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Well, I don't think 2,500 is sufficient when you factor in the fact that elections are won by constituencies. You need to get a bigger sample in all like constituencies to get the accuracy required. It was the failure to do this adequately at the last election that led to the result being such a surprise.

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Yeah you have to distinguish between the popular vote and how it translates to seats. Incidentally YouGov tried to do this and got it right. They have a hung parliament with Labour winning Canterbury. But the latter is less exact that the raw numbers where pollsters continue to do ok.

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They messed it up because they over-compensated for the shy Tory vote, which they under did at the election before. Maybe they should just believe what people are telling them, without having to fiddle it one way or another....

Anyway it won't be so much a shy Tory factor in future, it'll be a dead Tory factor, they are dying out, literally. Tory party membership is now so low they refuse to give out the figures any longer. They'll soon to became an endangered species only to be found ranting in archaic forums ;)

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They have not given them out since 2013 but activists and academics believe they have fallen since then.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42565294

https://www.conservativehome.com/the...rassroots.html

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You are so cynical, Mr K! What you have failed to grasp is that an overwhelming number of people who tend to be left wing when young, turn out to be rabid Tories when they get to that certain age!

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That age where they have to really start to pay money for the socialist agenda.

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That'll account for the Tories increased 'strong and stable' majority at the last election ;)

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Or the age where they benefit most from it.

People vote in their best interests. It's rarely about ideology.

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To some extent, but it's more about being older and wiser.

Many school leavers are very idealist and don't appreciate that things are not as straight forward as they first appear. Then, over the years, experience tells you that your original beliefs were just nieve.

That certainly happened to me, and I have heard many accounts of such transformation. It doesn't happen so much the other way around, however, although some experiences (eg a bad boss) can turn some Tory supporters into Labour supporters.

In my case, I still believe that those who are poor should be helped out of their dire situation rather than exploited, that people should be treated equally and paid in line with their skills and abilities rather than for reasons connected with irrelevant factors, such as gender or race. I believe that money should be distributed more fairly but that this should be achieved by increased take home pay rather than through taxation or benefits. The genuinely disabled should be able to get better financial assistance and help and the people who try to cheat the system should be punished severely. All the tax loopholes exploited by the wealthy should be closed down, made easier by simpler laws. And so on.

The change for me was seeing what was possible and what was not, and the realisation that socialism did not ultimately work for anyone, including the poor. My core beliefs remain the same. It's the knowledge of how best to achieve them that has changed.

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I think it's a bit convenient that the wise thing to do is triple-lock pensions whilst tripling tuition fees.

Another reason might be rather than more knowledge it's actually that as people accumulate wealth the policies which benefit them change. You might be all for a radical increase in home building until you face the prospect of it depressing the value of your newly purchased home. A cut to jobseekers allowance for the under-25s is less of a concern when you're over 25.

This would also explain why the same trend doesn't happen for people who work in the public sector.

This is obviously a simplification, exceptions exists, but in general older demographics vote Tory because it benefits them and younger voters vote Labour because they believe it will benefit them.

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Its what you call electoral bribery nothing more nothing less...

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Bribe or doing what your voters want. Labour do the same thing, vote for us and we'll spend more on 'x'.

To be fair this time around the Tories did try to say they won't offer much, might even spend less on pensions and even had the social care policy and got pilloried for it. They're not going to make that mistake again.

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They got pilloried for offering something similar to what the opposition were offering after they had poured scorn on those same offerings.;)

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l don't disagree as both parties are as culpable as each other when it comes to electoral sweeteners.

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It's not socialist if the Tories do it. ;)

That said I thought the social care policy wasn't too bad. Someone has to pay somewhere. At least this way you got to keep your home until you die, the flaw to me was that it became a lottery on if you got dementia or not.

And it also highlighted the other side of your example. The Tories took some Ed Miliband policies are suddenly they're decent policies to the right-wing press and they're barbaric to Labour. The Tories essentially proposed a bigger inheritance tax to pay for social care and suddenly Labour were outraged.

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That doesn’t represent how I think at all!

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They were simply taking account of public views.

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Well well well, Corbynites of the hard left variety, will be a bit miffed at Jeremy’s stance on reversing the ban on Daily Mail, on Virgin Trains....

http://uk.businessinsider.com/jeremy...branson-2018-1

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Not many from the hard left on here Mick.;)

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They're trolling the Daily Mail. Both in suggesting this will happen after they privatise the rail networks but also referencing a Chairman Mao quote. An actually pretty dodgy quote at that. The 'a hundred flowers will bloom' is a reference to this campaign by Mao where he temporary allowed criticism of his regime only for many of those who did to later find themselves targetted.

The ban itself isn't so much but a commercial decision not to sell the Mail they're dressing up for PR purposes. Virgin are allowed to choose which papers they stock.

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But by doing so, they are being very political. I don’t read any newspaper, but I do not agree on censorship of this kind. We all have our different views on immigration, it does need tighter control, the U.K. cannot sustain hundreds of thousands of people coming here every year. People who claim this is xenophobia are talking nonsense. People who claim it’s racist, are equally doing the same.

This is Branson probably throwing a pathetic tantrum, because of Brexit, which he venomously opposed and he is likely using the Mail as a scapegoat.

Tim Farron had his views on gay sex, but I didn’t see anyone suggesting he should be banned from anywhere. It’s hypocrisy again, at it’s highest form from some liberals.

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I wouldn't ban The Mail. I think it's more evidence of American-style culture wars entering British life which I don't like. The Mail itself is probably the biggest cheerleader for such a war, far more than The Sun, with it's tendency to label judges as enemies of the people and opposition as traitors. The Mail is keener than anyone to frame everything as us vs them.

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Ah, but Mick would love an American style culture ! tbh not sure why he doesn't emigrate, would Trump let him in ?? ;)

Passengers are always free to buy a Daily Hate before they board the train, you can never rely on their stocks of toilet paper.....

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American style culture is here already. We’re living it.

Just a few things we don’t want. A Price board that doesn’t display true price, with added tax when you get to the tills.

We don’t start calling the pavement a sidewalk.

We don’t adopt the ‘No Jaywalking’ law.

Things we do want.

Free refills in cafes and restaurants.

Greater tipping culture.

More Election Enthusiasm.

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They maybe what you want Mick, but it's not for everyone !

Free refills, just makes the obesity epidemic worse. Greater tipping causes confusion all round, and even less wages for staff. Election enthusiasm ? Good luck with that !

We need to be British and proud, celebrate our own culture, not some country 5000 miles away. If anything the culture of our European neighbours is more relevant. Give me French wine and cheese rather than a Big Mac !

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Source

£320,000 is the starting price for a very modest terraced house in our area.

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Andrew Neil exposing Labour hypocrisy:

https://order-order.com/2018/01/10/d...lent-misogyny/

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Do you ever get deja-vu ? I do. Maybe I read the same (hate)site all the time .... :erm: :zzz:

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https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...ncrease-Budget

He does it to everyone..

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BOOOOOOO!

The tipping culture is a result of the fact they pay peanuts for wages for many service-based jobs that they have to make it up in tips. It turns tips into a near-compulsory act otherwise you're undermining someone's ability to live and, in my opinion, allows companies to exploit their staff.

In the UK you're still free to tip as you please but with the staff getting compensated better anyway. A tip is generally for good service as opposed to average service but that waiter needs to eat too.

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:clap:

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Many places the tips all go in the tronc to be shared by all the serving staff rather than the individual that you give the tip to.

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Which l don't agree with personally as we like to give a good tip for good waiting service by a individual rather then it going into a pot to be shared around when some of those waiters in that place might be a load of rubbish.

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It's not censorship, you can still read the Mail on the train you just can't buy it from Virgin, you can't buy The Sun, The Star, the Express, the Telegraph or the Guardian on them either which tells me it's a PR stunt designed to Virgin maximum publicity.

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Exactly. Virgin only sell something like 70 copies of the Mail a day so not worth their bother, best to use the retail space for something else. People buy their copies at WH Smith or read online. Virgin also sold the sister paper Mail on Sunday which supported Remain so the Brexit conspiracy theory is wrong.
Maybe rather than let the press talk about the Virgin East Coast bail-out they're distracting people to this non-story whilst trying to win over progressive customers and staff who previously might have favoured nationalisation.

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Newspapers are a waste of space in a Rail buffet car because you have to sell them at face value. It makes more sense for Rail companies to line the shelves with items they can sell at a ridiculous mark-up. There’s no story here, except perhaps the vainglorious posturing of Richard Branson. Anyone who wants to know what Paul Dacre thinks Immigrants are doing to the country or what Could Cause Cancer can buy the Daily Heil at a newsagent before they board the train, or else pay for Virgin’s ridiculously expensive Wi-Fi and access HeilOnline.

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If you book Standard tickets with Virgin East Coast direct, the WiFi is free.

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It’s being made free as a condition of franchise renewals across the national rail network. For the time being, my local inter city route (west coast) is still charging for it, thanks to the civil service franchising debacle that has delayed the west coast franchise renewal for a number of years.

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WiFi?! I'd be grateful for a train that isn't 40 years old, doesn't looks like a 1970s bus and has somewhere to sit down !

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Well, none of the VEC trains I’ve been on are like that...

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Neither are the Virgin West Coast trains

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Source

Be afraid. Be very afraid.

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[QUOTE=heero_yuy;35932606] [url=https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5344154/corbyn-tightens-grip-on-labour-as-three-of-his-allies-are-elected-to-powerful-ruling-body-defeating-moderates-including-eddie-izzard/ [/QUOTE]

I love the 'Lansome crowed' bit. Very Sun :D

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I suppose if you're hell-bent on cocking up the economy then you would be crowing.:D

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This Govt. don't appear to need any help with that.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/bu...-a8155296.html

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Don't be, Corbyn could be too old to be PM.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a8162761.html

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There's always Diane Abbott. :erm:

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKu7TYWNxqA


gulp.:shocked:

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As long as they give Jeremy regular hot cocoa and ensure he has his string vest on and gets his over-65's free flu jab, he'll be ok. He could guarantee his legacy if he and Diane were to start a family.

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Taxpayers face £199bn bill over PFI projects, watchdog says.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/t...-a3743011.html

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...s-audit-office

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Basically Wonga writ large

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Source

Looks like the far left is tightening its grip on the Labour party.

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Tone's not very happy:

Source

Original source

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That's the first time I've agreed with Tony Blair in a while.

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It's the only time EVER!

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Well they shouldn't just sit there like turkeys waiting for Christmas. The moderate Labour MPs need to form a new offshoot party while they still can, and show Joe Public how they are making a difference in the House of Commons.

If there are more of them than the hard Left who want to stick with Corbyn, they will immediately become the official opposition. That will also give them the opportunity to agree a new constitution for the new party, implementing sensible election rules and taking away the power of the unions.

If they do nothing, they deserve to get de-selected. Now is the time to be bold.

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The voters haven’t shown much encouragement to anyone thinking of starting a moderate centrist party. Moderates seem to be losing across politics other than in France.