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passingbat 29-03-2017 22:48
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35892325)
I must admit I don't like Trump at all but that's me he is not my President, I don't live there.

Just for the hell of it I signed up for daily updates from the White House due to the amount of vitriol by both the press and some members of this forum.

I like to think outside the box look at all sides and come to my own conclusion, I may live in Wales but I'm not a sheep. (not Welsh either:D).

What has surprised me is what he has done (all verifiable) that you don't get to hear about in the media, the meetings he's had with industry leaders, unions and womens groups.

The media just seem to concentrate on the negative side.

I still don't actually like him but I wouldn't run him down in the way the media does.

I've been doing that since he took office and most days watch the press briefings, including the questions as well.


If you want to know what is actually happening, it is a waste of time watching the BBC; they are even more biased against Trump than Brexit

pip08456 29-03-2017 22:51
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35892342)
I've been doing that since he took office and most days watch the press briefings, including the questions as well.


If you want to know what is actually happening, it is a waste of time watching the BBC; they are even more biased against Trump than Brexit
I agree pb, it's all the media though not just the BBC.

passingbat 29-03-2017 22:53
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35892335)
whilst the FBI is investigating the campaign..

They are also looking into surveillance and illegal unmasking of US citizens.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35892344)
it's all the media though not just the BBC.

True.

Hugh 30-03-2017 13:42
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That's right - the entire media is against Trump, even Fox.....

Try Occam's Razor sometimes - the simplest explanation is the most likely one (usually).

pip08456 30-03-2017 14:26
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35892461)
That's right - the entire media is against Trump, even Fox.....

Try Occam's Razor sometimes - the simplest explanation is the most likely one (usually).
But not always.

Mick 30-03-2017 14:49
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35892475)
But not always.
Agreed.

The evidence is there for all to see, except if one has a constant, negative and one-sided agenda.

Mr K 30-03-2017 14:56
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35892486)
Agreed.

The evidence is there for all to see, except if one has a constant, negative and one-sided agenda.
and the WH's daily press releases wouldn't be one sided ?? Best to listen to all sides, with the evidence and make up your own mind. Problem with Trump, he he has little evidence for anything, and isn't achieving anything.

1andrew1 30-03-2017 15:02
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I do agree that the Freedom Caucus is an issue for any Republican Politician to get legislation passed. It will be interesting to see how this works out.

Donald Trump has continued his attack against dozens of members of his own party, by urging his supporters to fight the influential Freedom Caucus.
Members of the conservative group effectively helped kill the White House-approved health care plan last week, sparking several attacks from the President on Twitter. And on Thursday, it was more of the same, with Mr Trump calling on his supporters to oppose Freedom Caucus members when they are up for re-election next year.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7658156.html

Osem 30-03-2017 15:19
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35892335)
If there is much positive to report. Trump has had healthcare legislation fallen though and a travel ban struck down by the courts whilst the FBI is investigating the campaign. So it's not surprising there hasn't been a lot of good news.
You're referring to laws but there's more to a presidency than that, especially so early on in proceedings and given opposition to him on both sides. Are you seriously claiming that he's not done, said, achieved or been the instigator of anything positive for anyone in the last few months?

All we ever hear about him is negative whether it be fact, spin or pure conjecture and it's really tiresome. We hear all about protests but never about rallies in support, why is that I wonder...

I don't expect the papers to be unbiased but I expect a lot better of the BBC who clearly are biased in a number of areas, Trump being just one.

pip08456 30-03-2017 15:22
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35892489)
and the WH's daily press releases wouldn't be one sided ?? Best to listen to all sides, with the evidence and make up your own mind. Problem with Trump, he he has little evidence for anything, and isn't achieving anything.
Of course they will be one sided you fool.

They have an agenda just the same as the media have.

What any sensible person should do is see both and then come to a balanced conclusion.

You would then have both sides of a story rather than the trash that is onesided and presented to you.

Don't forget, I said in the beginning I don't like the man.

Damien 30-03-2017 15:33
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35892502)
You're referring to laws but there's more to a presidency than that, especially so early on in proceedings and given opposition to him on both sides. Are you seriously claiming that he's not done, said, achieved or been the instigator of anything positive for anyone in the last few months?
I think he has done very little good in the last few months. Outside of the laws he has also sparked a massive storm over his accusations Obama had his phone tapped and gone to his golf course most weekends. His security adviser had to resign.

He is not leading a stable or effective administration so far. Today he has been using twitter to have go at members of his own party. This week he told people on Twitter to watch a TV news program which went on to eviscerate Paul Ryan, the Republican leader of the house, and call for him ro resign.

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All we ever hear about him is negative whether it be fact, spin or pure conjecture and it's really tiresome. We hear all about protests but never about rallies in support, why is that I wonder...
Because the rally at the weekend for example had 2,000 people in attendance whereas the one after his inauguration drew 400,000 in New York alone.

1andrew1 30-03-2017 15:36
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35892503)
Of course they will be one sided you fool.

They have an agenda just the same as the media have.

What any sensible person should do is see both and then come to a balanced conclusion.

You would then have both sides of a story rather than the trash that is onesided and presented to you.

Don't forget, I said in the beginning I don't like the man.
I think calling someone a fool dullens your argument, however strong and persuasive your argument might be. :D

Mick 30-03-2017 17:58
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35892506)

Because the rally at the weekend for example had 2,000 people in attendance whereas the one after his inauguration drew 400,000 in New York alone.
That's not quite true. The rallies happened across ALL of the US, so it was way more than 2,000. It was 2,000 in just one area of Southern California alone (Which leans typically Democrat).

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35892489)
and the WH's daily press releases wouldn't be one sided ??
I wouldn't know, I don't watch them religiously like you appear to do, I still live in the UK. US Domestic policy bears no relevance in my life and for you to have a constant negative agenda on Trump, I'd say you were a little obsessed paying too much attention to them in the first place.

Mr K 30-03-2017 18:08
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35892534)
That's not quite true. The rallies happened across ALL of the US, so it was way more than 2,000. It was 2,000 in just one area of Southern California alone (Which leans typically Democrat).

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I wouldn't know, I don't watch them religiously like you appear to do, I still live in the UK. US Domestic policy bears no relevance in my life and for you to have a constant negative agenda on Trump, I'd say you were a little obsessed paying too much attention to them in the first place.
Lol - if anything Mick it's you that's a bit obsessed with US politics :)

1andrew1 30-03-2017 18:14
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35892534)
That's not quite true. The rallies happened across ALL of the US, so it was way more than 2,000. It was 2,000 in just one area of Southern California alone (Which leans typically Democrat).
I'm genuinely trying to see why a few rallies in the US are newsworthy in the UK. Things like Trumpcare which tested Trump's power base were significant and the two failed Muslim bans which had international ramifications were important too. In my book, you'd have to possess an unusually keen interest in Trump to consider supporter rallies newsworthy.

passingbat 30-03-2017 20:18
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35892489)
and the WH's daily press releases wouldn't be one sided ?? .

Yes.


But the questioning from reporters, especially the guy from CNN, gives another perspective.


Surely you listen to the official line, and then seek news outlets that are for and against the official line, and then make a judgement.


Anybody who depends on the BBC as the single source for Trump news wasting their time.

TheDaddy 31-03-2017 06:14
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Possibly interesting, wonder why you'd want immunity if you hadn't done anything wrong. Perhaps he's an attention seeker or they're just making things up again

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...probe-WSJ.html

passingbat 31-03-2017 06:47
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35892600)
Possibly interesting, wonder why you'd want immunity if you hadn't done anything wrong. Perhaps he's an attention seeker or they're just making things up again

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...probe-WSJ.html

It broke on the US networks last night. He wants to testify. There was no mention that it was specifically about Trump Russia collaboration. That doesn't mean it isn't but the Mail have added to what was announced.

Damien 31-03-2017 08:42
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As far as I know he wasn't suspected of criminal involvement was he? They're right to avoid giving him immunity until they know more about what he might say. You'll only get immunity if you're giving them evidence on a bigger 'catch', last thing you want is grant him immunity only for him to testify that he was up to criminal activity but doesn't have information on anyone else!

passingbat 31-03-2017 12:08
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Jean-Claude Juncker threatens to campaign for Ohio's independence in revenge for Donald Trump backing Brexit


Ya gotta smile :D


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7659471.html

Osem 31-03-2017 12:10
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
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Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35892635)
Jean-Claude Juncker threatens to campaign for Ohio's independence in revenge for Donald Trump backing Brexit


Ya gotta smile :D


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7659471.html
Blimey the EU's got its sights set on the US now. :D

1andrew1 31-03-2017 12:18
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Quote:
Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35892635)
Jean-Claude Juncker threatens to campaign for Ohio's independence in revenge for Donald Trump backing Brexit


Ya gotta smile :D


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7659471.html
lol:D

Hugh 31-03-2017 13:10
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35892600)
Possibly interesting, wonder why you'd want immunity if you hadn't done anything wrong. Perhaps he's an attention seeker or they're just making things up again

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...probe-WSJ.html
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39451358
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President Donald Trump's ex-national security adviser, Michael Flynn, wants immunity to testify on alleged Russian election meddling, his lawyer says.
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At last summer's Republican party convention, Mr Flynn led chants of "lock her up" aimed at Hillary Clinton over her use of a private email server.

In September, he said in a TV interview that it was unacceptable that some of the Democratic candidate's aides had been granted immunity from prosecution.

"When you get given immunity that means you've probably committed a crime," he told NBC News.

martyh 31-03-2017 17:44
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35892647)
We need a hypocrite crusher...........

Mick 31-03-2017 18:01
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35892676)
We need a hypocrite crusher...........
He's not a member of this forum so unable to provide such a service. :dozey:

Key differences, Michael Flynn is asking for immunity, for which noone knows why, where as Democratic Aides were given it where they could have possibly obstructed the course of justice by 'hard deleting' thousands of Hillary Clinton's emails off her private server.

passingbat 31-03-2017 18:12
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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35892676)
We need a hypocrite crusher...........
Actually, we need to wait until everything comes out on the, Russia-collusion/surveillance/unmasking investigations before making any judgements either way. There is a big can of worms to open. At this point, they could crawl in any direction.

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35892681)
He's not a member of this forum so unable to provide such a service. :dozey:

Key differences, Michael Flynn is asking for immunity, for which noone knows why, .

From that BBC article

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Michael Flynn may have a "story to tell", but what it is at this point is anybody's guess.
Donald Trump's critics will probably imagine grand revelations of possible campaign contacts with Russian operatives or even the "c" word - collusion. Beyond the news reports of ongoing conversations between Flynn's lawyer and federal investigators, however, there is no firm ground for such speculation.
It's entirely possible the immunity request is nothing more than the former senior Trump adviser attempting to insulate himself from legal trouble if he were to answer detailed questions about his foreign contacts and lobbying efforts. For instance, if he actively represented overseas interests, he may have run afoul of federal disclosure rules.
There's also the chance that Flynn could be uneasy about what he told FBI agents in January, when they asked about his conversations with Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak.
Either of those possibilities would be of great concern to Flynn, who has a six-figure military pension to preserve, but it wouldn't be the kind of political bombshell that would directly threaten Mr Trump or his administration.

Arthurgray50@blu 31-03-2017 23:49
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I bet that Trump is finished by the end of this year. Trump is a very clever man. Most of his family now work at the White House

I bet that Trump had dealings with the Russians to topple Clinton.

This is why he kept saying watch this space.

Stuart 01-04-2017 00:38
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35891783)
Oh isn't it very fitting now to say this. But when it comes to issuing executive orders, we've had comments from the likes of you and others saying he is not a dictator blah blah. Completely and utterly laughable. :rolleyes:
Trump is supposed to be a good deal maker. He clearly failed in this instance.

Also, a decent leader should be able to bring most of his party round to his way of thinking without having to order or dictate to them.

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On thing is for sure. Whether you like Trump, or not. Whether you believe his administration has committed dubious acts or not, these are interesting times..

Mick 01-04-2017 01:04
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Oh I don't doubt that for one minute Stuart.

adzii_nufc 01-04-2017 01:32
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It's amusing how many people still believe Trump is going to be impeached. The entire media circus is an absolute sham. It'd take at least two years if it even got that far. Can anyone actually see a Republican house doing so? :erm:

It's a lopsided story continuously pushed despite having no evidence at all to provide to it's case and backed by the still sore public that didn't get their own way.

But there's more, a complete failure to report that the unmasking of General Flynn and the leaks coming are going to see quite a few people from the Obama Administration end up in front of a judge and likely imprisoned. Nine sources have been traced and they all face a fine of $100,000 and 10 years in prison. So where in the current media are reports that senior Obama administration officials are committing a federal offence and leaking classified documents? You don't, the anti-trump side of the public that are so high and mighty when it comes to breaking laws and wanting folks impeached and removed have nothing at all to say, it doesn't fit the lopsided anti-trump agenda. It's perfectly fine to break laws to remove the guy you don't like...Brilliant. It's getting very tedious. I'd rather see it all right down the middle than have to deal with this bias crap each and every day.

So like above, interesting times ahead but there's going to be further disappointment for anyone still living the dream that Trump has weeks at best.

Trump will back Flynn for immunity leading me to speculate it's so he can give information without incriminating himself for an unrelated crime.
The second scenario is essentially a game breaking move, deliberately incriminating himself in everything, removing The Donald from the picture by saying he essentially had no idea what his aides were doing and receiving a juicy pardon for his troubles. Trump's public backing of him getting immunity leads me to wonder if there's a bigger game being played here.

nomadking 01-04-2017 01:56
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I'm forever puzzled as to what this massive Russian interference is meant to have been. Even if they did the hacking, then there was no guarantee that the hacking attempt would work, and no guarantee that they would find anything that might make a difference.

RizzyKing 01-04-2017 05:02
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Meanwhile trumps core support strengthens as he is perceived as the victim of an orchestrated campaign and there's more then a little truth to that. Of course the biggest problem is if they did manage to oust him in weeks they would then be facing another election this time against a far more capable republican candidate. Trouble for the democrats is outside of their traditional power bases ordinary americans are fed up of the liberal globalist agenda and are ready to express that with their vote and even some of the democrats that I've known for a longtime are no longer as convinced as they used to be.

Hugh 01-04-2017 08:43
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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35892721)
I'm forever puzzled as to what this massive Russian interference is meant to have been. Even if they did the hacking, then there was no guarantee that the hacking attempt would work, and no guarantee that they would find anything that might make a difference.
Perhaps this will help, from a (US) Conservative publication.

http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...ersy-explained

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First, and most importantly, did Russia actually “hack” the 2016 presidential election?

No, and the use of that term to describe what Russia did needs to stop. The Russians hacked a few computers, but they did not “hack” an election. The media’s persistent insinuations otherwise are leading millions of Americans to believe that the Russians actually meddled with the election process itself, including with voting machines. There is zero evidence that occurred. None. Zilch. Nada.

Well, if the Russians didn’t “hack” the election, what did they do?

They sowed confusion and chaos, and there’s strong evidence (according to multiple intelligence agencies) that they ultimately sought to help Donald Trump beat Hillary Clinton. Their most infamous move was the theft of e-mails from the Democratic National Committee, which were likely passed to WikiLeaks before becoming the basis of a slow drip of damaging information about Clinton and the Democratic party released into the news cycle. At the same time, Russia was allegedly using “trolls” and “bots” to impact the news cycle by creating artificial “surges” of commentary online. They also used propaganda outlets such as RT to try to affect the national debate, and intentionally tried to plant certain ideas and themes into the American electorate’s consciousness, including the notion that the election was “rigged” against Trump (a theme Trump himself picked up).

nomadking 01-04-2017 10:18
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35892735)
Perhaps this will help, from a (US) Conservative publication.

http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...ersy-explained
So nothing specific, apart from an alleged single hack.

Anyway.....
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Comey later added that "there was evidence of hacking directed at state-level organizations, state-level campaigns, and the RNC, but old domains of the RNC, meaning old emails they weren't using. None of that was released."Comey said there was no sign "that the Trump campaign or the current RNC was successfully hacked."
Asked by Sen. Mark Warner, a Virginia Democrat, whether the hacker had the ability to selectively leak that old information, Comey indicated that they did.
Comey also said that the Russians "got far deeper and wider into the (Democratic National Committee) than the RNC," adding that "similar techniques were used in both cases."
Attempts were made to hack both sides, but only one side was stupid enough to be successful. So who was hacking the Republican side? The Democrats?

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Russia hacked the election to "denigrate" Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton and contrast her unfavorably to Republican Donald Trump.
That would only work if there was something to be found. If there was, that was down to Hillary and the Democrats and NOBODY ELSE.

Mick 01-04-2017 10:36
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Quote:
Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35892741)

That would only work if there was something to be found. If there was, that was down to Hillary and the Democrats and NOBODY ELSE.
Trump needed no help from anybody win him the Election. Hillary was a totally bad choice, and when it comes to the Democrats, they were no angels, just look at Hillary getting the questions prior to the TV debates during the Primaries, to give her an advantage over Bernie Sanders and she got them in collusion with a TV network.

Bottom line is, a lot of Americans had decided way before any campaigning that they did not want another 8 years of dull Obama and they would have got that with her.

Damien 01-04-2017 11:02
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Trump won the election. No one here is disputing that as far as I can see and nobody of significance is either. However if there was interference from Russia, even if it was not needed, and there was collusion with anybody in the states then the FBI will investigate it and depending on the results prosecute who they would need too.

nomadking 01-04-2017 11:11
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Still waiting to find out what any one-sided set of attacks was. Well apart from those by the Democrats, whether aimed at Trump or Sanders.

1andrew1 01-04-2017 11:20
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More comedy gold. Unsurprisingly, this was later censored from the White House YouTube channel

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Donald Trump has stormed out of an executive order signing ceremony without signing the orders after being questioned over Michael Flynn and Russia.
Exactly a week after his vow to “repeal and replace” Obamacare imploded in Congress, the President told assembled reporters he was going to “get down to some serious business”.
The two executive orders, sitting on his desk in the Oval Office, aimed to put his drive for American trade and manufacturing jobs back at the top of the agenda, ordering a study into the cause of US trade deficits and a crackdown on import duty evasion.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7661406.html

Mick 01-04-2017 11:34
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35892751)
More comedy gold. Unsurprisingly, this was later censored from the White House YouTube channel



http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7661406.html
Fail to see the comedy here?

He thanked his audience and just left the room normally, did not see any 'storming out'.

1andrew1 01-04-2017 11:43
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35892755)
Fail to see the comedy here?

He thanked his audience and just left the room normally, did not see any 'storming out'.
The comedy gold is that he forgot to sign the papers in front of the press because he was distracted by their questions! :D

Kursk 01-04-2017 12:05
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35892762)
The comedy gold is that he forgot to sign the papers in front of the press because he was distracted by their questions! :D
Good grief. Thank goodness he didn't break wind, you'd have been in stitches :dozey:

TheDaddy 01-04-2017 16:18
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35892762)
The comedy gold is that he forgot to sign the papers in front of the press because he was distracted by their questions! :D
Maybe he forgot that messy pen presidents use for signing stuff, the ones that just seem to vomit ink all over the page.

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Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 35892768)
Good grief. Thank goodness he didn't break wind, you'd have been in stitches :dozey:
Tbf that would be pretty funny

1andrew1 01-04-2017 16:27
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35892810)
Tbf that would be pretty funny
Maybe that was why he scarpered so quickly, nowt to do with the press questions! ;)

TheDaddy 01-04-2017 18:45
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35892812)
Maybe that was why he scarpered so quickly, nowt to do with the press questions! ;)
But he did leave them with a little something to remember him by, plus and this hasn't been confirmed the donald may have been touching cloth

adzii_nufc 01-04-2017 19:46
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When Edward Snowden leaks classified documents it's treason.
When the Obama Administration do it, it's heroism.

Two different outcomes, same administration.

God bless Obama and America whom show us all it's perfectly fine to take a poo all over the law to suit their own agenda. :tu: I guess Obama's war on leaks is over then. When agenda's change, people change.

We're stuck, Flynn will take immunity and can just take it all on the chin himself, or he can merely plead the fifth. Would be an absolute shame if the Media had nothing anti-trump/Russia to report for a day.

Arthurgray50@blu 01-04-2017 20:07
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It always frustrates me about this whole sick matter.

1) all this crap of Russia interfered with the election, l believe did happen. And for a decorated soldier who is prepared to spill the beans. Has been told he cannot have immunity.

2) Idiot Trump only won the election on the Electoral Colleges gave the go ahead. Clinton WON the overall vote.

We know that the FBI cocked it up by saying there was something wrong with emails. WHO told the FBI to check.

It could be that the FBI balled it up with Clinton, and now prepared to put the ]record straight with Trump and Russia.

3) And for Trump to employ virtually all his family at the White House beggars belief.

Its like having Theresa Mays old man as Chauffeur

No all this Trump stuff stinks

adzii_nufc 01-04-2017 20:48
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Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35892838)
It always frustrates me about this whole sick matter.

1) all this crap of Russia interfered with the election, l believe did happen. And for a decorated soldier who is prepared to spill the beans. Has been told he cannot have immunity.

2) Idiot Trump only won the election on the Electoral Colleges gave the go ahead. Clinton WON the overall vote.

We know that the FBI cocked it up by saying there was something wrong with emails. WHO told the FBI to check.

It could be that the FBI balled it up with Clinton, and now prepared to put the ]record straight with Trump and Russia.

3) And for Trump to employ virtually all his family at the White House beggars belief.

Its like having Theresa Mays old man as Chauffeur

No all this Trump stuff stinks
Yeah, you've made that same boring point over and over again. You know fine well that's not how it works, get over it.

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Trump is a very clever man. Most of his family now work at the White House
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Just to point out, IF, the whole country went for the popular vote. Clinton would have won comfortably. She had more that 300.00 votes than Trump did.
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Clinton won the overall majority vote BUT Trump won by the Electoral College Vote.
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Trump got in as President, by the ELECTORAL COLLEGE. NOT, the popular vote. That was Clinton, who won that by some 300.000 votes.
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Just to clear a point. Clinton WON the public vote. Its just college votes that won it for Trump.
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Clinton WON the peoples vote. So therefore she should have won the election
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Clinton won the vote of the Nation

1andrew1 01-04-2017 20:53
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Originally Posted by adzii_nufc (Post 35892843)
Yeah, you've made that same boring point over and over again. You know fine well that's not how it works, get over it.
Credit where it's due. There's no prediction of Trump being assassinated on this occasion. ;)

ianch99 01-04-2017 21:00
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35892844)
Credit where it's due. There's no prediction of Trump being assassinated on this occasion. ;)
What is interesting is that Trump is sailing very close to the line on the federal anti-nepotism law with respect to his daughter working in the White House.

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Nepotism : the practice among those with power or influence of favouring relatives or friends, especially by giving them jobs.
Seems to fit the bill to me ..

adzii_nufc 01-04-2017 21:03
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35892844)
Credit where it's due. There's no prediction of Trump being assassinated on this occasion. ;)
He retracted it and has since never posted that again. I'm hoping today marks the end of how many votes Clinton had. His first point is valid to the current topic of discussion, I just don't get why it then needs to go full history repost. :erm:

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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35892845)
What is interesting is that Trump is sailing very close to the line on the federal anti-nepotism law with respect to his daughter working in the White House.



Seems to fit the bill to me ..
To think that's an issue that solely falls on Trump though, in my view half of the modern world is built upon those same practices. But if we go there, we'll end up in power mongering and greed debates.

All in all, we have to make debate with what we have but I and I assume others still think neither Clinton or Trump should've got that far, so something is broken and that something that is broken is a bigger issue than the current media circus. If we all suddenly went UKIP next election there'd be a reason why we did it.

1andrew1 01-04-2017 21:46
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Originally Posted by adzii_nufc (Post 35892846)

To think that's an issue that solely falls on Trump though, in my view half of the modern world is built upon those same practices. But if we go there, we'll end up in power mongering and greed debates.

All in all, we have to make debate with what we have but I and I assume others still think neither Clinton or Trump should've got that far, so something is broken and that something that is broken is a bigger issue than the current media circus. If we all suddenly went UKIP next election there'd be a reason why we did it.
We're discussing Trump so I reckon the nepotism question is relevant.
I just don't see a good reason from a risk-benefit perspective for Trump to employ his daughter. She doesn't need the money and he must have lots of loyal and capable employees from his companies who would happily serve him in his presidential role. If she's not being paid though, then I can't see any problem with it.
In contrast, I can see how in France a poorer Francois Fillon might feel that employing his wife helps the family coffers, despite the potential reputational risks.

Arthurgray50@blu 01-04-2017 23:10
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Remember Trump likes to get his own way. He has the USA has his toy. He likes to win.

Sadly, Judges in America overrule him. Trump knows about money. I will give him another six months.

pip08456 01-04-2017 23:13
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35892848)
We're discussing Trump so I reckon the nepotism question is relevant.
I just don't see a good reason from a risk-benefit perspective for Trump to employ his daughter. She doesn't need the money and he must have lots of loyal and capable employees from his companies who would happily serve him in his presidential role. If she's not being paid though, then I can't see any problem with it.
In contrast, I can see how in France a poorer Francois Fillon might feel that employing his wife helps the family coffers, despite the potential reputational risks.
Hardly nepotism as she's unpaid.

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Ivanka Trump is taking an official but unpaid role as a special assistant to her father, the White House has confirmed.
Link

Hugh 01-04-2017 23:21
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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35892859)
Hardly nepotism as she's unpaid.



Link
Nepotism isn't about pay,. It's about power and influence, favouring family and friends.

Osem 01-04-2017 23:34
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What you mean like the Clinton, Bush and Kennedy clans?
;)

1andrew1 01-04-2017 23:54
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35892859)
Hardly nepotism as she's unpaid.

Link
Although it's still nepotism, I have stated that I don't have a problem with it if she's unpaid.

ianch99 02-04-2017 00:12
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35892848)
We're discussing Trump so I reckon the nepotism question is relevant.
I just don't see a good reason from a risk-benefit perspective for Trump to employ his daughter. She doesn't need the money and he must have lots of loyal and capable employees from his companies who would happily serve him in his presidential role. If she's not being paid though, then I can't see any problem with it.
In contrast, I can see how in France a poorer Francois Fillon might feel that employing his wife helps the family coffers, despite the potential reputational risks.
I have to disagree with you here. What a White House staffer gets paid is peanuts compared to her personal wealth or indeed the wealth of most families who occupy the White House.

She has the position because she is his daughter .. and that's nepotism.

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35892865)
Although it's still nepotism, I have stated that I don't have a problem with it if she's unpaid.
This I do not understand. What has pay got to do with it? The pay would be an irrelevance to her ..

1andrew1 02-04-2017 00:16
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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35892867)
I have to disagree with you here. What a White House staffer gets paid is peanuts compared to her personal wealth or indeed the wealth of most families who occupy the White House.

She has the position because she is his daughter .. and that's nepotism.

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This I do not understand. What has pay got to do with it? The pay would be an irrelevance to her ..
First off - yes, I agree it's nepotism. I don't have a problem with Trump having her as an adviser. He should absolutely have a range of advisers from different, complementary backgrounds and skills. It's a highly stressful job being a US President and having an adviser in the family may be useful.

Kursk 02-04-2017 02:02
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35892869)
First off - yes, I agree it's nepotism. I don't have a problem with Trump having her as an adviser. He should absolutely have a range of advisers from different, complementary backgrounds and skills. It's a highly stressful job being a US President and having an adviser in the family may be useful.
I agree. She's a bilingual, successful, business woman with an economics degree and strong leadership skills and family members all take a role in supporting each other anyway.

And she's very easy on the eye which is qualification enough in my book :p:

martyh 02-04-2017 07:56
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35892869)
First off - yes, I agree it's nepotism. I don't have a problem with Trump having her as an adviser. He should absolutely have a range of advisers from different, complementary backgrounds and skills. It's a highly stressful job being a US President and having an adviser in the family may be useful.
The problem is that not only is it blatant nepotism but Ivanka is one of the children running Trumps Business empire along with the other 2 who are on his transition team advising Trump who to put into positions of power and of course she is married to Jared Kushner who is also on the white house staff.The fact that she is not getting paid is irrelevant ,she has access to all sorts of sensitive information and she sits in on meetings with high profile leaders and daddy has put her in the perfect position to further not only her own career but his own fortunes.Add to that the fact that Trump sold himself as a leader different to all the 'Clintons' of the world he has shown himself time and time again to be no different ,probably worse than them ,basically he's made complete mugs of half of America

Mick 02-04-2017 09:18
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35892873)
The problem is that not only is it blatant nepotism but Ivanka is one of the children running Trumps Business empire along with the other 2 who are on his transition team advising Trump who to put into positions of power and of course she is married to Jared Kushner who is also on the white house staff.The fact that she is not getting paid is irrelevant ,she has access to all sorts of sensitive information and she sits in on meetings with high profile leaders and daddy has put her in the perfect position to further not only her own career but his own fortunes.Add to that the fact that Trump sold himself as a leader different to all the 'Clintons' of the world he has shown himself time and time again to be no different ,probably worse than them ,basically he's made complete mugs of half of America
Why is it irrelevant ? Can you provide valid reasons this time without the one sided, negative, less than factual crap ?

martyh 02-04-2017 16:19
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35892879)
Why is it irrelevant ? Can you provide valid reasons this time without the one sided, negative, less than factual crap ?
i have given valid reasons if you bothered to read ,if you disagree and think nepotism is a good thing for trump then how about you post some valid reasons to justify it instead of the dismissive rubbish you usually post

Paul 02-04-2017 17:31
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How about you both stop acting like children.

Mick 02-04-2017 17:44
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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35892944)
i have given valid reasons
Where ?

Mr K 03-04-2017 13:10
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39475178
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US President Donald Trump has said the United States will "solve" the nuclear threat from North Korea, with or without China's help.
Super, that's all we need. Its worrying that a conflict might be the only way to deflect from Donald's problems... A tried and tested strategy by many a struggling world leader.

(ps. where have 'the children' gone, it's no fun anylonger ;) )

passingbat 03-04-2017 13:28
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35893044)
(ps. where have 'the children' gone, it's no fun anylonger ;) )
Oh, your posts provide enough fun for all of us, though maybe not in the way you expect? ;)

Mr K 05-04-2017 09:43
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Donald Trump's response to Syria gas attack: blame Obama
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...foreign-policy

The same Obama that wasn't born in the US and tapped his phones ?

Mick 05-04-2017 10:46
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35893367)
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...foreign-policy

The same Obama that wasn't born in the US and tapped his phones ?
Ah, those while 'Obama isn't a US citizen claims' that the Democratic party also used and took advantage of, when Hillary Clinton was up against Obama, when he was running for president... pre-2008-2009 era.

As for tapping, Trump team was put under surveillance, google 'Susan Rice Trump', this is still being investigated and it appears more likely they were and I believe they were given that Obama Administration has form when it comes to spying on folk, even their own friends, ask France, ask UN Secretary General Ban Ki Moon, ask German chancellor, Angela Merkel.

martyh 05-04-2017 19:24
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35893372)
Ah, those while 'Obama isn't a US citizen claims' that the Democratic party also used and took advantage of, when Hillary Clinton was up against Obama, when he was running for president... pre-2008-2009 era.

As for tapping, Trump team was put under surveillance, google 'Susan Rice Trump', this is still being investigated and it appears more likely they were and I believe they were given that Obama Administration has form when it comes to spying on folk, even their own friends, ask France, ask UN Secretary General Ban Ki Moon, ask German chancellor, Angela Merkel.
He's very quick to slag of the previous administration but doesn't seem to have much to offer as an alternative

Mick 05-04-2017 19:36
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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35893451)
He's very quick to slag of the previous administration but doesn't seem to have much to offer as an alternative
I'm quick to slag off the previous administration, Obama was a crap President, along with his previous Secretary of State, we have them to thank for the troubles in Syria and be it the Middle East, today.

martyh 05-04-2017 19:42
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35893458)
I'm quick to slag off the previous administration, Obama was a crap President, along with his previous Secretary of State, we have them to thank for the troubles in Syria and be it the Middle East, today.
So what is Trump going to different then ,he's already ruled out attacking Siria

adzii_nufc 05-04-2017 19:46
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Obama's approval rating and God like status really did overshadow some of the most devastating revelations of his tenure as president. Stuff that Trump or Clinton's administration's would've been vilified for.

None of those candidates would've survived the NSA scandal, the Russian nuclear treaty botch and the bogus civilian drone numbers situation the way the Obama administration sailed through them.

His past administration have been leaking classified information to smear Trump. Something that's going to see a lot of people go to jail. Despite this it's still failed to make mainstream news and in the eyes of many they've done nothing wrong. Would be ok if they hadn't set about a witch hunt on the likes of Snowden for the same thing.

martyh 05-04-2017 20:18
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Quote:
Originally Posted by adzii_nufc (Post 35893462)
Obama's approval rating and God like status really did overshadow some of the most devastating revelations of his tenure as president. Stuff that Trump or Clinton's administration's would've been vilified for.

None of those candidates would've survived the NSA scandal, the Russian nuclear treaty botch and the bogus civilian drone numbers situation the way the Obama administration sailed through them.

His past administration have been leaking classified information to smear Trump. Something that's going to see a lot of people go to jail. Despite this it's still failed to make mainstream news and in the eyes of many they've done nothing wrong. Would be ok if they hadn't set about a witch hunt on the likes of Snowden for the same thing.

It is totally irrelevant what Obama did or didn't do ,Trump is in power now and Trump needs to start having some results instead of blaming past administrations.It is reprehensible that Trump saw the gassing of civilians in Syria as an opportunity for some political point scoring .

This is what Trump twitted in 2013 following the gas attack

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We should stay the hell out of Syria, the "rebels" are just as bad as the current regime. WHAT WILL WE GET FOR OUR LIVES AND $ BILLIONS?ZERO
1:33 AM - 16 Jun 2013
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President Obama, do not attack Syria. There is no upside and tremendous downside. Save your "powder" for another (and more important) day!
2:21 PM - 7 Sep 2013
http://www.npr.org/2017/04/04/522627...trump-on-syria

The list of tweets from trump goes on and on and on ad nauseum and every single one is telling Obama to stay away from Syria but now he is criticising him for doing just that ,............Hypocrite

Mick 05-04-2017 20:19
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35893460)
So what is Trump going to different then ,he's already ruled out attacking Siria
Not quite, he has actually said today when he was asked, 'We'll see'. One thing Trump has said is that any action he takes he will not necessarily announce, he was heavily critical of the prior Administration announcing they were going to go in to Mosul to destroy ISIS leaders, three months prior to attacking there, giving them ample opportunity to flee.

martyh 05-04-2017 20:28
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35893473)
Not quite, he has actually said today when he was asked, 'We'll see'. One thing Trump has said is that any action he takes he will not necessarily announce, he was heavily critical of the prior Administration announcing they were going to go in to Mosul to destroy ISIS leaders, three months prior to attacking there, giving them ample opportunity to flee.
He's been very adamant over the last few years that Obama should "stay the hell out of Syria" it's all over twitter so it must be true

Mick 05-04-2017 20:29
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35893472)

but now he is criticising him for doing just that ,............Hypocrite
When ? Which of Trump tweets, are criticizing him for 'not' doing anything in Syria. I can find none he has posted of late ? Or are you just making stuff up as usual ? :rolleyes:

Hugh 05-04-2017 20:35
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35893367)
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...foreign-policy

The same Obama that wasn't born in the US and tapped his phones ?
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/04/u...bama.html?_r=0
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Donald J Trump
@realDonaldTrump

The only reason President Obama wants to attack Syria is to save face over his very dumb RED LINE statement. Do NOT attack Syria,fix U.S.A.

12.13 PM - 5th September 2013
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In a May 2016 interview on MSNBC, Mr. Trump said the United States had “bigger problems than Assad.” He added, “I would have stayed out of Syria and wouldn’t have fought so much for Assad, against Assad.”

So emphatic was Mr. Trump’s stance on Syria that he disavowed the stance of his own running mate. After the October 2016 vice-presidential debate, when Mike Pence, then governor of Indiana, backed strikes against Mr. Assad, Mr. Trump stated, “I disagree.”

martyh 05-04-2017 20:37
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35893476)
When ? Which of Trump tweets, are criticizing him for 'not' doing anything in Syria. I can find none he has posted of late ? Or are you just making stuff up as usual ? :rolleyes:
I didn't say Trump had tweeted criticism of obama for not doing anything in Syria ,Trump has repeatedly told Obama to stay away from Syria but then criticizes Obama (Mr k's link)

Mick 05-04-2017 20:44
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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35893479)
I didn't say Trump had tweeted criticism of obama for not doing anything in Syria ,Trump has repeatedly told Obama to stay away from Syria but then criticizes Obama (Mr k's link)
Mr K's link which just happens to be a questionable, one sided, Anti-Trump, Anti-Brexit source in my eyes, which I have no intention of reading.

1andrew1 05-04-2017 20:51
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35893481)
Mr K's link which just happens to be a questionable, one sided, Anti-Trump, Anti-Brexit source in my eyes, which I have no intention of reading.
What about Hugh's link though?

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35893477)

martyh 05-04-2017 20:53
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35893481)
Mr K's link which just happens to be a questionable, one sided, Anti-Trump, Anti-Brexit source in my eyes, which I have no intention of reading.
So you haven't read the link but are prepared to discount it as wrong anyway ......awesome ,it happens to be the official whitehouse statement on the Syria gas attack yesterday


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The scale and horror of Tuesday’s gas attack on civilians in Idlib highlighted the vacuum in the Trump administration’s foreign policy making: the incident was met first by silence, then by criticism of Barack Obama.

Donald Trump described the attack, which killed scores of victims, including many children, as a direct “consequence” of his predecessor’s Syria policy.“These heinous actions by the Bashar al-Assad regime are a consequence of the last administration’s weakness and irresolution,” he said in a statement. “President Obama said in 2012 that he would establish a ‘red line’ against the use of chemical weapons and then did nothing.”

Mick 05-04-2017 21:16
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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35893484)
So you haven't read the link but are prepared to discount it as wrong anyway ......awesome ,it happens to be the official whitehouse statement on the Syria gas attack yesterday
And ?

martyh 05-04-2017 21:50
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35893491)
And ?
and it proves Trump is a hypocritical ass

Mick 05-04-2017 21:56
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35893497)
and it proves Trump is a hypocritical ass
It proves no such thing because what you quoted was not a White House press release. :rolleyes:

Mr K 05-04-2017 22:03
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35893499)
It proves no such thing because what you quoted was not a White House press release. :rolleyes:
Ooh you've actually read it now Mick?
It's a Trump statement which makes it so much better :erm:

martyh 05-04-2017 22:04
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35893499)
It proves no such thing because what you quoted was not a White House press release. :rolleyes:
How do you know you refused to read it ,but just so you know it was a direct quote from Trump hence the " "

Mick 05-04-2017 22:12
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Quote:
Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35893502)
How do you know you refused to read it ,but just so you know it was a direct quote from Trump hence the " "
Er you quoted the selective quotes FFS.

Anyway, you're still wrong. Trump has said today he is considering action in Syria, just seen his reaction at Press conference earlier with Jordan's King Abdullah.

I stand by my original point though and I can say it no matter what, Obama was a crap President.

Mr K 05-04-2017 22:26
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 3589)

I stand by my original point though and I can say it no matter what, Obama was a crap President.
A very succinct analysis Mick. You should have applied for Paxo' s Newsnight job.

1andrew1 05-04-2017 23:03
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35893504)
I stand by my original point though and I can say it no matter what, Obama was a crap President.
He did deliver on healthcare and he rescued the auto industry and left the economy in a better state than he took it on.

Back to Trump, it's now reported that he has 'responsibility' to act over Syria. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...l-assad-syria/

adzii_nufc 06-04-2017 00:21
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35893509)
He did deliver on healthcare and he rescued the auto industry and left the economy in a better state than he took it on.

Back to Trump, it's now reported that he has 'responsibility' to act over Syria. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...l-assad-syria/
There's always negative points and positive ones. I genuinely used to believe Obama was some kind of American cult hero that could literally do no wrong. I was gobsmacked at the sheer amount of things he'd actually got wrong that people just want to pass over because like above, he can do no wrong.

There was a whole heap of crap listed that was merely opinion and not fact whichever way you looked at it but the amount I was able to cross check and verify was surprising. I'd originally wrote off the good riddance and hate Obama posts off as racist rednecks.

As for what Trump's meant to do, I don't know, his predecessor made some bad choices in that aspect. Training rebels was an absolute failure, arming them arguably just made it worse, but I don't hold that against him, choices have to be made, some turn out to be crap, it happens.

So if you take the bogus issue of blame out the window and just forget who did what and when, what is the best course of action?

Mick 06-04-2017 01:15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35893509)
He did deliver on healthcare and he rescued the auto industry and left the economy in a better state than he took it on.
Utter rubbish on both accounts. He did not deliver on healthcare at all. I don't call tripling bills a better system at all and neither do my American friends who says he lied and made it worse! As for the economy, the debt doubled under his Administration.

TheDaddy 06-04-2017 06:13
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35893515)
Utter rubbish on both accounts. He did not deliver on healthcare at all. I don't call tripling bills a better system at all and neither do my American friends who says he lied and made it worse! As for the economy, the debt doubled under his Administration.
There's a lot of Americans walking around now, living lives that wouldn't have been pre obama that would disagree with you and your American pals I'd imagine

Mick 06-04-2017 06:24
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35893520)
There's a lot of Americans walking around now, living lives that wouldn't have been pre obama that would disagree with you and your American pals I'd imagine
Rubbish. Got evidence to back that up or you just made that up ? And there are many more with more expensive and useless plans.

Stuart 06-04-2017 10:34
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What I never understood during the whole Hillary email thing was this. When I was reading up on the whole thing (I do actually like to research stuff I argue about), I read that it's actually quite common for federal employees (up to and including senators) to use their own email systems. It's tolerated because apparently the federal email system is essentially, crap, and it seems no one is willing to invest to fix it.

That's what I don't understand. Where I work, we have to use the work email system for work related emails, purely because we may be in a position where we are discussing personal details, and we have to keep in line with the Data Protection Act. We aren't even officially allowed to forward our mail to an external service (such as Google), but some users seem to get away with that.

Yet the US government seems to tolerate senators using personal email systems even if what they are sending/receiving is potentially classified?

Note: Hillary is far from the only person that has done this. There is also the small matter of the 2 million or so email that vanished from the Republican National Congress server during the last Bush government (something which, oddly, the Republicans forgot to mention when criticising Hillary).

Now, I am not questioning the need for both the RNC and DNC to operate their own email systems. They are their own organisations. They need their own email systems, but I do wonder why the US government doesn't fix it's email system rather than tolerate employees using their own.

Mick 06-04-2017 15:04
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuart (Post 35893535)
What I never understood during the whole Hillary email thing was this. When I was reading up on the whole thing (I do actually like to research stuff I argue about)....
You're like me, even though we may not share same views, we have a need to research stuff before jumping on a hysteria bandwagon.

I never got the Hillary email thing in the beginning until, I too, looked in to the issue deeper.

The problem is, Hillary Clinton did not help herself during her testimony, she is said to have lied under oath that she did not send or receive classified material through her own email server, yet FBI Director James Comey said there was was such emails found.

Because of her high position in Government and tenure as US Secretary of State, she was in receipt and sending of, Top Secret and classified emails. But in her absent mind, was sending and receiving them through her own private email server, that was a unsecured system, a system that was said to be running from a bathroom closet by the private company she was using.

In the following youtube clip showing her testimony, which she gave under oath which highlights she lied under that oath, about her saying she had not sent and received classified emails through her private server and at about 2 minutes 30 seconds in on this clip, James Comey said she did otherwise.

ianch99 06-04-2017 15:51
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35893564)
You're like me, even though we may not share same views, we have a need to research stuff before jumping on a hysteria bandwagon.

I never got the Hillary email thing in the beginning until, I too, looked in to the issue deeper.

The problem is, Hillary Clinton did not help herself during her testimony, she is said to have lied under oath that she did not send or receive classified material through her own email server, yet FBI Director James Comey said there was was such emails found.

Because of her high position in Government and tenure as US Secretary of State, she was in receipt and sending of, Top Secret and classified emails. But in her absent mind, was sending and receiving them through her own private email server, that was a unsecured system, a system that was said to be running from a bathroom closet by the private company she was using.

In the following youtube clip showing her testimony, which she gave under oath which highlights she lied under that oath, about her saying she had not sent and received classified emails through her private server and at about 2 minutes 30 seconds in on this clip, James Comey said she did otherwise.
So you hate Hillary because she lied? Dude, all politicians lie especially the one you find no fault with, a certain Mr Trump.

BTW, you ignored Stuart's point:

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Note: Hillary is far from the only person that has done this. There is also the small matter of the 2 million or so email that vanished from the Republican National Congress server during the last Bush government (something which, oddly, the Republicans forgot to mention when criticising Hillary).
Care to comment?

Mick 06-04-2017 16:07
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35893567)
So you hate Hillary because she lied? Dude, all politicians lie especially the one you find no fault with, a certain Mr Trump.
No, I hate her for far more reasons than just her lies.

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Originally Posted by ianch99
BTW, you ignored Stuart's point:



Care to comment?
No I didn't ignore it and no.

Maggy 06-04-2017 16:54
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39515098#

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The head of a key US congressional investigation into alleged Russian hacking has temporarily stepped down amid an ethics inquiry into him.
House Intelligence Committee chairman Devin Nunes is now himself under investigation by the House Ethics Committee.
The panel is looking into claims that the Republican disclosed classified intelligence.
What is going on within the White House? Why would a Congressman behave like this?

Hugh 06-04-2017 18:00
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35893515)
Utter rubbish on both accounts. He did not deliver on healthcare at all. I don't call tripling bills a better system at all and neither do my American friends who says he lied and made it worse! As for the economy, the debt doubled under his Administration.
http://time.com/money/4503325/obama-...sts-obamacare/
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During the first quarter of 2008, 14.6% of Americans did not have health insurance coverage, according to a Gallup poll. The uninsured rate spiked to an all-time high of 18% in the third quarter of 2013—after the Affordable Care Act was passed, but before people were required to have insurance. By the first quarter of 2016, the uninsured rate had fallen to 11%, per the latest Gallup numbers.

In terms of raw numbers, a 2012 CDC survey reported that an estimated 45.5 million Americans were uninsured at the time the study was conducted. The ranks of uninsured Americans were down to 36 million in 2014, falling further to 28.6 million in 2015. Data has not yet been released for 2016, but the U.S. Department of Health & Human Services announced earlier this year that some 20 million Americans—including 6.1 million young adults ages 19 to 25—have gained health insurance since the Affordable Care Act was passed in 2010.
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In 2008, the average employer-sponsored family plan cost a total of $12,680, with employees footing $3,354 of the bill, according to Kaiser data. By 2016, the cost of the average employer family plan was up to $18,142 for the year, with workers picking up $5,277 of the tab.

These increased costs for employers and employees alike may seem steep—up around 50% over the past eight years—but they could have risen far higher had the Affordable Care Act never passed. The Kaiser study shows that average family premiums rose 20% from 2011 to 2016. That rate of increase is actually much lower than the previous five years (up 31% from 2006 to 2011) and the five years before that (up 63% from 2001 to 2006).

passingbat 06-04-2017 18:06
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35893580)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39515098#



What is going on within the White House? Why would a Congressman behave like this?

Because the liberal media (CNN etc.) want to focus solely on the alleged Russia/Trump Collusion, which has yet to be proved one way or the other, and completely ignore the surveillance/unmasking issue, the full facts of which, have still to come out.


Trump is threatening some of the 'liberal' aims of the Democrats; Sanctuary cities, Bathroom Laws, high numbers of immigration, Planned Parenthood, Border control with Mexico, appointing non liberal Supreme Court Judges his support for Israel etc. There is a battle going on, just as there is over Hard and Soft Brexit in the UK.


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