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Hadn't considered that actually and i must say it is a strong possibility thinking about it .





I work on the council estates in the N.E and to be honest the regeneration money is targeted at the wrong areas ,you've just proved as much with your examples above .Newcastle ,Sunderland,Hartlepool and Middlesborough all have had millions and millions thrown at them and as far as the ordinary bloke that lost his job when the factories or the docks closed is concerned it's all useless.When the Redcar steel works is pulled down what's the betting that the people who used to work there get didley squat apart from a nice view of some high end housing they have no hope of ever owning .



I fit windows in all those places for the LA's and associations and a large proportion of the tenants are unemployed ,probably used to work down the pits that closed and most definately have not benefited much at all from the regeneration money

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Why do you keep harping on about compulsory voting? We do not live in a dictatorship.

Voting is a right each and everyone has the option to excersise or not.

No-one will tell me I have to vote. That is my choice.

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No. The EU aren't interested in a race to the bottom on headline corporation tax rates - see Republic of Ireland and their 12.5% rate. The others haven't rushed to compete with that.

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Smart, but probably unpopular.

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Australia has compulsory voting. I wouldn't call it a dictatorship.

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There shouldn't be compulsory voting but we could make it a hell of a lot easier to vote, and actively try and get everyone on the register.

Why can't we vote online, this is the 21st Century ? Security is just an excuse; postal voting and just turning up at the polling station and saying a say a name is no less secure. The changes the Govt. have made recently resulted on many young not being on the register. There may be a political advantage for them in this, but it worked against them in the referendum.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...rm-voting-sys/

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No, we do not live in a dictatorship, but even in a democracy like ours there are rules and laws which people do have to obey.

The whole point about getting everyone to vote is so that politicians cannot accuse the public of voter apathy.

Because 28% of people did not vote in the referendum we now have the close result that some people are unhappy about.

No-one knows how that 28% would have voted but more importantly no-one is trying to find out.

If everybody votes, say, in a general election and a high percentage mark the box indicating that that they do not want to vote for the options presented the politicians cannot blame voter apathy and are forced to ask themselves why that is, as are the media.This may cause them to revise their policies.

Let's not forget that if you really do not want a vote you are free to remove yourself from the voting list. This won't affect the percentages as by not registering you will not be eligible to vote.

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No, I'm saying it's not a ghost town thats all

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As I only put myself on the voting list for the referendum I will be doing exactly that. The Last time I was on the voting list was 1975 for exactly the same reason.

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Thanks for posting that. I guess, for whatever reasons, you really do not like voting, but at least by removing yourself from the list the only person you are affecting is yourself.

28% of the electorate did register and for one reason or another did not vote despite the government ( or local council) paying to print out and distribute voting cards for voters attending polling stations or voting papers in the case of postal voters.

Though it's probably just a small amount it could have been saved if people registered to vote who were not intending to vote simply did what you were considerate enough to do and de-registered themselves next time there was a vote.

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Newcastle/Gateshead have had millions thrown at it and look at the changes, such as the Sage etc. Sunderland has had a lot lot less. Hartlepool and Middlesbrough less so.

There was very little regen money in the developments that I mentioned.

I kind of take issue with the comments regarding the steel works. look at the money that has been recently spent on Redcar seafront, again geared to generate revenue into the town, what happened, oh yes some little twonk set light to it.

Whilst the steelworks closing is a massive blow it's not unrecoverable from, look at Nissan in Sunderland and to some extent Hitachi at Newton Aycliffe

People have got to make the change happen for themselves. 18 months ago I had a choice of stay at earning 30k (not a bad wage) or commuting to York which I do now and earning significantly more. I then spend that money in the local economy (my car and my fiancees car both came from a local independent car dealer) We shop locally where possible

The hours that I put in now mean I've been able to afford a house at Acklam Hall for myself and my fiancee. Acklam Hall has the operations director for GSK, and multiple consultants for James Cook hospital live there, all of these calibre individuals are paying money into the local economy via things such as council tax, as are the residents of the Church Lane/Low Lane developments

You can also add in the new Persimmon development up by Cleveland Police, the one opposite Stewarts pack and the upcoming expansion of Coulby Newham and Ingleby Barwick.


None of these are cheap so money must be getting pulled into the economy from somewhere surely?

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:clap::D

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Nothing wrong with compulsory voting for referendums ,it is after all only the government asking for your opinion ,it's not a legally binding vote as an election is .If there where a "none of the above" option for elections then i probably wouldn't have an objection to them becoming compulsory either.

Online voting is no where near secure enough imo ,postal and in person voting we have at the moment is probably the best we can do for now .

As for those young people you say where disadvantaged by the registration changes ,well they could have taken 30 secs out of their day to register on line ,there's been plenty of time and plenty of public awareness campaigns to make people aware.Of course for that to work they have to be bothered in the first place

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Unless you live in Australia where voting is compulsory.

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And which way did you vote in 1975. I voted NO.

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and a lot more besides it's not as rare as some may think

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Oh I say old chap. there are flats by the river in Sunderland like that where some of the Sunderland players live or lived.

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...ding-french-p/

You reap what you sow. As well as a predicted surge of migrants before we shut the gates, looks like a few thousand happy campers will be joining us from over the channel. That'll be nice, handy for fruit picking in Kent anyway.

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I expect that to happen too but surely that's a good reason for invoking A50 and then maybe we can use some kind of emergency brake to prevent that happening.

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Sorry but that looks so funny sow instead of sew.

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Emergency brake? Lol. Think our emegency brake has been dumped in the channel. We have no power or influence to make demands any longer.

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Few years before anything like that could happen if it happens at all and by then Brexit negotiations will be well under way ,so no panic.

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@BigBrian:

It is sow, not sew, he's not fixing clothes, he's sowing seeds.. (in the metaphor anyway)

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clever sow and sew :)

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I'd say more likely France will use it for leverage during the exit negotiations, given that they are going to be handled by the Council rather than the Commission.

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And I was going to be nice and not mention it ;)

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I stand corrected. Just brought images of pigs to mind.

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it's the easy words I have difficulty with. The hard ones I usually get right. Take Farage for example. I've been calling him Ferage. Long as that's all I call him I'm sure he won't mind. Shame he's resigned though.

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Well it was a question actually, I don't know what they can do.

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Is it right Theresa May in prepared to accept freedom of movement for the single market? If this is the case, why the referendum? We may as well stay as we are.

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This was stated many many times by the 'remain' campaign. Access to the single market is dependent on the freedom of movement

I think Switzerland may be about to also find out this one...

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Some interesting thoughts by Kenneth Clarke, the former Conservative chancellor, mocking three of the leading candidates in the Tory leadership contest.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...-jeremy-corbyn

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I like Ken Clarke, he really doesn't give a toss who he upsets. Loved it when he was made Health minister - an overweight, chain smoking. spirit drinker...... He and Hestletine were usually right on the EU but his party never listened.

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Don't forget his hush puppies....:)

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Indeed. I love politicians like that

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M&G and Aviva suspend property fund redemptions as Brexit fears mount.

https://www.theguardian.com/business...-business-live

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Just watched that and it's hysterical ,but i wouldn't be very happy with Sky for showing it ,it's only going to needlessly antagonise the situation

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http://news.sky.com/story/1721982/wa...ory-candidates

do you think he knew he was being recorded ? See his sartorial elegance has improved...

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Just watched that and it's hysterical ,but i wouldn't be very happy with Sky for showing it ,it's only going to needlessly antagonise the situation :D

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It was cool. Channel 5 News played it. The thing is, he's right from what I can tell.

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I know ,but i can smell the burning bridges up here :D

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Corbyn made his mistake last week. Always treat cameras and mics as live....

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Yes l remember Brown making that mistake as well.

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That may be the mix of scotch and cigarettes on his breath.

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definitely not Brylocream ,does the bloke own a comb ?

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In other news I purchased something in US Dollars today.

Got a majestic $1.29 to the Pound, so the items were about 20% more expensive than normal.

Ouch. :(

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I got an email from OnePlus, saying that due to the Sterling exchange rate, the OnePlus3 was going to be £20 more expensive, a rise of 7% - I'm glad I order before the price rise.'

Could be worse - we could import half of our food....

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The good news is that we are now excellent value for foreign tourists. Maybe some of them will decide to stay ;)

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Been getting gas and electricity quotes.

25-30% higher than 2 months ago.........

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Well that would happen whether the £ was low or high. Money-grabbing twonks the lot. I fear a lot will take advantage and put up prices using it as an excuse. Give a man an inch and he'll take a mile.

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Energy purchased overseas will increase in price. Oil is dominated in dollars.

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The political editor of The Sun isn't impressed: https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/stat...72008479539200

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Well, he may be looking for a new job soon then?

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That is a bit rich seeing The Sun backed Brexit.

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Views of the Political editor doesn't have to reflect that of the paper. Not sure how The Sun decides what to back but I imagine it's the editor/team of editors/Murdoch combo.

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Brexit can be started without parliament vote, government lawyers say

Oliver Letwin, heading Whitehall’s Brexit unit, says legal advice is that article 50 can be invoked under royal prerogative

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...nt-lawyers-say

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It's not unexpected and it will settle down when we know a bit more of what a post EU will be like. No one claimed it was gonna be easy.

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According to the guy on BBC world business news this morning this will continue for the next 3 months at least.

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Remain said 2 quarters so I guess that's good news.

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The chronic uncertainty and 'shock'? Yes.

The weak pound will probably last for a couple of years as a minimum. It's probably got a little way further to fall against the US Dollar.

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He was generally talking about the falling financial markets but he did state that the pound would be weak for a while near the end of his talk.

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Onwards and upwards for tech prices.

Funny, I'm sure the investment banking goddess Andrea Leadsom who almost single-handedly saved the world from the collapse of Barings said there would be no impact.

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Jesus 10% of the prices of laptops/phones is a lot.

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And there is us saving for a new laptop later this year and now we better save a little bit more it seems.:(

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Well, TBF, the Leavers did say they would pay "any price" to leave the EU ;)

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Yeah but I need to upgrade my Mac this year. :dunce:

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in the past freedom cost millions of lives this time it cost 10% on the price of a laptop ,i think you got a good deal .;)

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Bit over dramatic to compare leaving the EU to the people who've died for freedom.

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Well that's fine and dandy papa but don't go moaning about it when some items you buy are 10% to 20% more in the future.:)

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what can i say - this threads become nothing but "over dramatic" since the brexit side won the referendum .

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Sterling hits a 31 year low against the Dollar? A mere inconvenience ... pay the fellows and damn their impudence!

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l am sure if papa looks at some of his posts in the past the old boy can be pretty dramatic at times.:)

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but never over dramatic

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:notme::no::Yes::)

I am waiting for the first leaver to say either "we don't use a computer" or "no worries we will build our own, we have plenty of British apples no need for American ones"

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aren't crapple made in china and India :erm:

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Some stuff I buy has increased in price and I'll pay it and still be happy with how I voted because I knew when I voted that there would be a short term economic hit of course at that time I didn't know our politicians had all the spine of a jellyfish and would throw the country under the bus.

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Err, isn't that because the ones who led us Out had no plan. You voted for the "We Have No Real Idea What We Are Doing But We're Sure It Will Be OK In The End" plan ..

They knew what they were leaving but had no idea where they were going ..

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The pound has dropped 12% against the yuan since Brexit

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are we still talking about American apples :shrug:


Originally Posted by Anypermitedroute View Post
I am waiting for the first leaver to say either "we don't use a computer" or "no worries we will build our own, we have plenty of British apples no need for American ones"

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No it's because Cameron said he'd stay and see it through and invoke article 50 upon conclusion of the vote and then he quit throwing everything into uncertainty land oh and of course Cameron was a remainer guess none of them could be trusted so anyone feeling smug is a bit of a prat.

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Peaches seem to be cheap (and tasty) at the moment, but that's about it...
Think folks are deluded if they think the current turmoil is temporary. Project Fear might be looked back on in a different light. Can't blame politicians either, all the main parties warned of the consequences.

They are also built in California where the pound had fallen to record low against the dollar

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Also most American tech products are built in China. It's still dollars they charge.

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Not true really. We knew for example we were heading for free trade with the rest of the world. We knew that there would be a period of uncertainty and once we know how the talks with the EU go that the Markets and the £ will pick up again. After Christmas we should start to see a difference and hopefully by then the talks will be well underway.

We knew that other countries would be queuing up to trade with us so we knew there would be only short term problems.

We knew that we'd be rid of the bureaucracy of Brussels freeing us up to negotiate with other countries once A50 is invoked.

The plan was to invoke A50 and begin negotiations with both the EU and the rest of the world.

We know remain wouldn't accept the result and try to delay it. They have had lawyers trying to see how legal it is and if it has to have an Act of Parliament. Actually it doesn't. As far as I know there are 2 ways of doing it. Repeal the 1972 Act that took us into the EU or a Royal intervention. However, I'm betting they'll take the Parliament rout. I expect A50 to invoked in September.

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We cannot have any official trade negotiations until the article 50 two years is over and we are officially no longer a member of the EU, invoking article 50 is the start of the exit process it will not be the beginning of any official trade talks.

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Well that point has been disputed.

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You have some data and/or expert opinions based on data that indicate that after Christmas Sterling will pick up again, right?

The data and opinions I've seen point to Sterling not bottoming out until 2017.

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None of the contenders for Prime Minister have said they'll invoke Article 50 in September, they've all veered towards right at the end of the year at the earliest, what is your expectation based on?

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Exactly who has thrown our country under the bus remains to be seen.

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I appreciate all is fine, no need for panic, etc, but I can't help but feel this isn't a promising indicator.

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2016/07/10.png

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Everyone I know personally including myself who voted leave has said they would vote remain if the referendum was redone. e.g. me and my dad voted out as a protest vote not expecting out to win, whilst others have simply changed their mind.

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yeah I read about crabb a few days ago, I agree with that investment, but its odd for a tory to have that idea.

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Sorry Chrysalis but if you decided to use a referendum as a protest then you have no right complaining about the vote absolutely stupid to protest vote in a referendum.

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I have the right to tell you that not everyone that voted remain would do so again, which is what my post was saying.

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We can have exploratory talks though.

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You have some data and/or expert opinions based on data that indicate that after Christmas Sterling will pick up again, right?

The data and opinions I've seen point to Sterling not bottoming out until 2017.

Based on remains' claim that a recession would only last 2 quarters.

None of the contenders for Prime Minister have said they'll invoke Article 50 in September, they've all veered towards right at the end of the year at the earliest, what is your expectation based on?

Theresa May said it at the weekend on the News with a part of her speech on what she'd do if elected. She also said out is out and she would do her best to carry out the wishes of the people.

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Everyone I know personally including myself who voted leave has said they would vote remain if the referendum was redone. e.g. me and my dad voted out as a protest vote not expecting out to win, whilst others have simply changed their mind.

I've heard some stupid reasons for casting a vote in this referendum but that takes the biscuit. Protest vote? Protesting against what? Us who voted leave can claim that - a protest against the EU and its policies and anti-democratic ways but what exactly were you protesting about? If it was Cameron and the Tories, the Tories are still there. Cameron's days were numbered anyway.

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Can we? You must of missed it when Merkel, Juncker et all have said no talks until Article 50 is triggered.....

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Indeed that is what l heard.

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@Big Brian isn't saying that informal talks can start berore A50 is triggered but that they can take place during the 2 yr exit negotiation period.

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His post suggests that we can have exploratory talks prior to Article 50 being triggered, we can't

Originally Posted by RizzyKing View Post
We cannot have any official trade negotiations until the article 50 two years is over and we are officially no longer a member of the EU, invoking article 50 is the start of the exit process it will not be the beginning of any official trade talks.


Brian - We can have exploratory talks though.

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That's correct

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In what world would a protest vote do anything in a referendum and what the hell where you protesting about .Do you even understand what a referendum is ?

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He's not the average Tory, he's a Blue Labour type Tory, one of their more liberal types that took the centre where Blair used to be.

A big infrastructure spend is an extremely good idea to try and counter the impact, both in terms of employment and economically, of the vote.

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Well done you for being honest enough to say so. I'm hearing smilar from others who voted to leave; its already become apparent it isn't going to result in what was promised. Not your fault you were lied to.

I suspect there there will be another vote in the fullness of time, especially if Theresa becomes PM. She's not stupid.

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My cousin is a Black cab driver in London, he tells me many many Remainers wish they could vote leave. Mostly from British Muslims in London who have seen their community's over run with Eastern Europeans. I would say immigration is not a reason to leave the EU,

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There may well be some who voted leave that wouldn't again but the same applies to some who voted remain who would now vote leave so swings and roundabouts not something for either side to get excited about. Given the damage done with the last referendum no politician is going to rerun it anytime soon so those hoping for another vote sorry but not going to happen.

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Leavers be proud... We Saved Our Democracy

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Indeed. Bliddy wingers. I'm proud and don't regret my vote.

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yes even old people have a vote :rofl:

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I see no point in ever voting again because everyone lies their tits off to get your vote.:mad:

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That's what one of the elders of our family said so you are not on your own Maggy.