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It would help if I could see the image.

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It's there in my post, about 15 posts back. You must have a block going on with your browser or something.

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I'm not seeing it either Mick. It might have something to do with the site you linked from?

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Ok I have uploaded it here...

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/at...7&d=1478849934

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Riots in Portland... Watching on FB live.

Yup and the riots need to spread ALL ACROSS THE COUNTRY!!!!!!!!

She won the most pop votes and it was stolen to ensure the total destruction of the US.... (Trump is part of thier agenda)

I am very worried about the future of our country!!

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I quite liked this, no idea who it is, but its very apt.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLG9g7BcjKs

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Ugh so sick of Jonathan Pie. He does the same thing every video.

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last figures I saw Clinton 59.4 million votes, Trump 59.2 million votes

a difference of 200,000 which is 0.16% of the total votes cast,

I hardly think she swept the board.

This "winning" the popular vote angle is bollocks a difference of 0.16% ! Trump is equally as popular.

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The popular vote doesn't matter because that's not how the President is elected. Clinton's margin is probably going to increase btw. They've not finished counting.

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The main issue is that the democratic/ Republican parties in the USA have the same problem as Labour/Conservative in that they only represent the metropolitans and the USA is a big country there's a lot of country and people in between California and Washington. Like wise in the UK most of it is outside the South East.

And they're sick of being ignored.

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Really!!!!!!!! I didn't know that!!!!!!!! thanks for pointing that out for me, All this time I thought Hillary had actually won :dozy:

I was responding to that post.

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Sorry.

I never heard of the guy before, still doesn't take away the fact what he says is pretty much spot on though.

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Sorry. I was just saying that you don't need to use the closeness of the popular vote as a rebuttal to that post, the fact it's irreverent is defense enough to it.

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I have trouble seeing how calling for nationwide riots in anyway helps a damn thing and cannot believe anyone would be so brainless and ridiculous to even suggest it. Honestly some in the west have become so entitled that anything that doesn't go their way instantly becomes wrong and must be opposed and acted against, the irony is usually most of the one's shouting the loudest didn't bother to vote so try to compensate for it in the strength of their opposition.

Trump won and he came very close to clinton in popular vote as well so the hilary fans need to suck it up and make the best of it and putting up a better candidate at the next election might be an idea instead of the crap one they had this time. Only reason clinton looked credible was because of her opponent and even then she couldn't win says it all really.

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He does that faux-journalist having a meltdown shtick in every video. It's very hard to follow along when he constantly speaks with such anger and outrage. I don't tend to respond well to shouting.

Some of what he says makes sense but it's a common postmortem every time the left loses an election, something that's been happening regularly for several years, and it's a bit artificial at this point. People can 'listen' but ultimately part of the problem is that we're talking about people a disagreement on what everyone wants. I think the issue with the left is that it doesn't currently have a good answer to those concerns, Pie spends most of his time shilling for Corbyn who couldn't be a better example of the problem he tries to articulate in this video. When he says 'listen' he means do that, pat people on the head, and come up with the same policies as before.

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Absolutely spot on but you know what is really worrying? The penny still hasn't dropped.

I suggest the losers stop trying to interfere with the democratic processes and accept that the systems, by majority, will be moving us in new directions both sides of the pond.

A lot of people are watching. Quietly but with expectation, and seething.

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Having a national popular vote means you don't elect your own local representative, likely you go to some nasty PR system that usually elects the least unpopular rather than the most popular.

And the US popular count is so close that there would be challenges, recounts, examinations and so on. The current method is clear cut enough to provide a definite result. You may not like the result but that is the way it is. Trump hasn't enacted any policy yet, just make sure that you let your representatives know your feelings in a calm and ordered way. Don't explode into riots, that just provided "the elite" with the reasons they need to "clamp down".

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Don't be silly.

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With the displayed intellect of yourself and some of those idiots protesting now turning to rioting and damaging property and beating up of Trump supporters, it is utterly repugnant, if they have that kind of mentality, if you destroy your country, it's on you, not Trump.

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There's no excuse for any rioting and I suspect many of those engaged in it have never voted in their pathetic lives.

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Yeah, I remember the nationwide riots when Obama was elected... twice...

Oh, hang on a mo......

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There will always be protests and riots no matter who is elected as even if Kermit the frog was elected president ;) l am sure there would be some out there would would still be pretty unhappy with their lot.

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There aren't nationwide riots, just some idiots in Oregon.

Related to that, Trump called for marchs on Washington after the last election.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.cbs...012-tweetstorm

Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump
We can't let this happen. We should march on Washington and stop this travesty. Our nation is totally divided!
4:29 AM - 7 Nov 2012
12,089 12,089 Retweets

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People who want to ignore democracy when it doesn't go in their favour. Lovely.

I'm starting to think up things Trump will write in his note to the next POTUS when he leaves office, "Tear my wall down and I'll break your legs"

It isn't a bad thing that Trump has no experience, its when he starts lying that you know he's experienced..

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Watch for his lips to move. :D

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Funny how it's always the left that riot when things don't go their way, funny how it's always the left that try to stifle debate and free speech, when the subject matter is against their ideology.

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.. and you think this will help :confused:

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The riots will calm down.

We should be more concerned who Trump appoints to his cabinet, they will be the first indication of what is going to happen.

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Can he do that now or must he wait till January to announce his cabinet ?

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There won't be any surprises.

Christie, giuliani, Gingrich, Will all get top jobs.

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MFI or Ikea :D

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He can't appoint them officially until January obviously but he'll recruit them now.

Christie looks like he might not. Too damaged from the bridge thing. God help us anyway, I've heard Sarah Palin might be in with a shout.

Anyway stuff like this is promising: http://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-t...law-1478895339

Trump's going to face a choice I think between recruiting different people or doubling down on the Bretbart thing. If he is willing to listen to former Presidents then it might be a sign he is going to go with the former and operate independently. Of course he was been consistently inconsistent so let's see.

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There is something coming out of the US. On December 10th
The electrol colleges meet to vote on changing or passing the vote. There sre many voters signing a petition to chsnge yhe decision. This has hwppen just once

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Are you drunk or just mashing the keyboard

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No quite sober. Its breaking news. Its becuase the 'colleges' can overturn the vote. Due to the fact of what is said by Trump. To promote violence.

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It's not breaking news. It's very, very old news. The Electoral College could theoretically vote for someone else if they wanted too, but they can't really. The same way the Queen could start throwing her weight around, but not really.

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So let's presume they actually did this, even though they won't? Then what? Clinton just becomes President and everything's swell? You think an isolated Riot in Oregon is something huge? You're heading into Civil war territory when you rob half the vote of their democracy. Do you remember why there's conflict in Syria? different circumstance but it still boils down to one side don't want their president and the other does.

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http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-n...-trump-9243534

Read this.

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So? It's not going to happen, it's fantasy journalism, total rubbish. Absolute nonsense like this is dangerous for democracy as a whole. Just clutching at straws like the criminals that need to riot because they can't grasp the concept of a peaceful protest, so they now look like absolute thugs.

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Just been watching newsnight special "Trumps America" .

It was average they had two commentators, a female black author and a white male from the American spectator.

It was the usual stuff.

But towards the end the black female author inadvertently laid out what this was all about.

Talking about Trumps alleged racism, the male guest tried to make a comment on it. she then then said, quite seriously, as a white male man that he has no right to have an opinion on racism.....................

Ladies and gentleman, there is the reason why Trump won.


Watch it on IPlayer.

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The Electoral College Vote system via the Electors who can vote 'rogue', is a weak argument and it shows how much the sore losers some of the Democrat supports are, by trying any which way they can, to try and remove the Presidency from Trump.

So as it stands, the Electors can vote on December 19th and could go faithless and vote for HC to be President and it hasn't happened 100's of times at all as per what the mirror says, it's exceedingly rare and they have never swung an Election. However, on Jan 6th. The Republican controlled congress meets to either approve or void the 'Faithless Electors' vote and keep the new Presidency to Trump.

I am aware there is a Petition on Change Org insisting the Electors go rogue but it is seriously clutching at straws.

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-war-2016.html

Going through various newspapers to find out about Trump. And found thisitem.

And EVERYTHING CAME TRUE

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As l said several weeks ago Trump will be the worst President in US history, he will depend heavily on Pence, his running mate. Who has the experience

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Are you actually serious at this point? :rolleyes: I'm actually astonished you've actually managed to post something as crap as that, also, what does it have to do with the US election?

You know she never actually wrote anything down, made completely vague random predictions that were almost guaranteed to happen. Example in question, Volcano's will erupt, coasts will be flooded etc in the next X amount of years, the conclusions, ''Miracle Woman predicted 2004 Tsunami, I mean come on...

Bold - You still don't fact check a damn thing then, apart from her vague and boring predictions that were borderline the same as any other, World War III never happened. There's actually no evidence she ever made any of these predictions, so yeah, saying they all came true when she never actually predicted a thing... awkward. They most likely originated from Social Media in Eastern Europe and were attributed to her name by trolls and facebook like button farmers. Anyone close to her also backed this up by saying she never said any of it. The newspaper is merely jumping on a sensationalist story.

What worries me most is you'd actually believe anything you read and not question it a single bit.

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Are you able to actually form any opinion of your own Arthur without relying on baseless facts from biased news stories or what you see on the TV?

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Baba Vanga will now show him the way :erm:

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I personally think he should go back to worrying who gets voted off X-Factor this week, or whatever floats his boat. :banghead:

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I'm trying to work out why Arthur is getting so worked up about all this you'd think he's personally impacted by trump becoming president and his repeated mentions\calls for assassination show something very wrong. Trump will moderate once in position that's how it is I'm sure he'll go through with somethings and others will disappear as is the norm when people find that the position of president doesn't actually mean they can do as they want.

Obama was elected on a massive wave of hope for change and once elected he found out things are harder to do then to say trump will have the same sobering experience soon and although he could have an easier ride then obama given the republican hold it will restrain his more erratic and flamboyant ideas.

No mate I guess your right,might make things worse!!

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There are signs he's already moderating some of his more extreme views. He now incredibly likes bits of Obamacare, and is not answering questions on his promise to keep Muslims out (good news for the Mayor of London !). No mention of 'the wall' either. Abortion is going to be a big one - keeps changing his views on this, as with everything else. Think he might be more a problem for Republicans than Democrats. In some ways he might be more left wing than Clinton.

As for protests whats wrong with that? The vast majority is peaceful and cameras will only be showing any trouble. Most of the country didn't vote for him which hopefully he'll bear in mind.

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You have a strange concept of "most" seeing as it was almost a tie in the popular vote.

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53% didn't vote for him. There were 2 other candidates besides Clinton.

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Well that's that then, a short lived folly

http://southendnewsnetwork.com/news/...read-protests/

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Thought this was funny - Hillary gets pipped at the post:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ql4YDKaKqVA

:D

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President Donald J. Trump on the Alex Jones Show.



And here's the original from 2015 :D

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Ah, infowars - for those who aren't paranoid enough yet.... :D

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Enjoy.

http://i.imgur.com/PVH5TKd.gifv

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Beat you to it. ;)

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/sh...postcount=1053

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It's longer and better with sound :D Had never seen that version.

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Gotta love the liberal response and the clarity they now provide to their position that democracy is everything unless you don't vote how they want you too. Personally i see trump as a one term president that despite his personal beliefs\ideologies will find he is quite constrained in what he can actually do. It is possible he could be a good president for the US i know most of my friends are a bit more hopeful with him then they would have been with Clinton so who knows.

Also much as i hate giving him any credit after the brexit campaign i agree with boris not going to the special EU meeting about trump winning and see it as a bit more proif of the EU arrogance that they assumed Clinton would win and now need a special meeting.

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Yes, Boris is a great lover of Trump.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/poli...ald-Trump.html

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perhaps the EU will order America to vote again until Hillary wins ,that seems to be how it works these days.

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Yep, it's disturbing too.

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News tonight is that Nick Farage is meeting Trump tonight at Trump tower. That's a kick in the groin for Theresa May isn't it

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And for Nick's brother, Nigel ...

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I put comments on this forum, which is my own personnel opinion. If members don't like it. You don't have to read the comment, or even reply.

I say what l think. I have been on this plant for 64 years. Been through the poverty years. Seen the hard life.
And at the present time we are going through the worst period that l know.

With the Trump election. People are talking with there voice and feet.

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Yes, there's no doubt these times are in every way worse than the actual brink of an actual nuclear standoff in Cuba. Or the three day week, rota power cuts or unburied bodies. Absolutely without question Arthur, these are the worst times you've lived through. :erm:

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If you'd been on a plant for 64 years you'd think the same. :D

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Stunning result but as i said on here i predicted it.

The issues which cost Hilary winning:

1) a lot of angry people felt they had been ignored for a while (rightly or wrongly)
2) a lot of b.s rubbish on social media from "bernie fans" ie milleninals or couldnt accept losing. it was absolutely toxic. people who voted against hilary even though they claimed to be democrats

(we are entering a new cult of personality era were political beliefs dont matter but the actual person...look at corbyn in the uk for reference. look at stalin before)

3) General lies from people. Hilarys rather mundane and careless idiocy being rammed up by the social media generation. What hilary did was stupid yes. Careless emails. But its been done for years previously. It was never questioned. Never queried. Makes you question trump saying the media was against him!

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I agree in part. The main reason there's been a lurch to the right in politics here, in Europe and the US is because ordinary people have been told what to think and be grateful for what they get for far too long, usually by complete hypocrites who refuse to listen and say one thing whilst doing the other. They're as deluded as they are patronising, simply refusing to accept that the majority don't want more of the same. What they have sown, we are now reaping...

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Just noticed what l have sent - been on a 'plant' for 64 years. ha ha I grow by the day ha ha

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Well the Germans are getting all tetchy. They don't seem very keen on Trump or any trade deals the UK might do with the US but maybe that's all about them seeing their position at the top of the EU tree telling everyone else what to do is coming under threat.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37936207

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Assuming it's a majority would be the same mistake 'they'/'we' made. We've got a divide here. The argument about hypocrisy can be made about pretty much anyone though, it's rare to find someone completely consistent.

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I can say without hesitation that I'm totally consistent in my hatred for what Europe's become at the hands of those who always 'know best'... ;)

It's interesting how many times I see/hear the 'nobody expected this to happen' comment from just the sort of people I alluded to above - those who know best on our behalf. 'They' didn't expect it to happen because 'they' can't believe for a second that 'they' could ever be wrong about anything and that 'we' might think differently. That's their biggest problem and look where it's got us.

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Every now and then politics needs a good kick up the behind to remind politicians they work for us and not for their own agendas and preferred ambitions i think we're entering a period where that kick is delivered by many on a more regular basis then before. I am certain there is a growing sense of dread creeping into a few politicians in a few western european countries about what upcoming elections will bring and after brexit anti eu parties i think will fancy their chances.

I'm not sure trump is a practical answer to many of the problems the US has but if nothing else he is going to cause a lot of thinking amongst some and maybe even some change so that never again are large groups of people forgotten and marginalised. I still have a sneaking suspicion he might be another Reagan the worst expected when elected but ending up being a decent president trump may yet shock again.

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The Donald and the Nigel

NIGEL FARAGE has met Donald Trump making him the first British politician to meet the President-elect since his victory.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/731...ks-Theresa-May

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1) He isn't an American citizen
2) This would mean his main job is representing the US interests first when dealing the UK.
3) It would also mean a giant middle finger to the Government from Trump which would appeal to Trump, Farage and many of his supporters but would be undiplomatic from the President.

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from the article
On Thursday night, Number 10 said Mr Farage will not be representing Mrs May in any official or unofficial capacity.

Several Conservative Party MPs have urged the Prime Minister not to be too proud to make use of Mr Farage's relationship with the President Elect.

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America has the State Department, we have the Foreign Office. Hopefully these manage the relationship. We're not teenagers getting our friends to see if America likes us.

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Sky comment on NATO.

http://news.sky.com/story/sky-views-...fence-10655677

I happen to agree with this and Trumps statements on NATO that he made pre-election.

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Me also, lots of misreporting from bad journalism going on here. Trump is NOT against NATO nor is he pulling back from it, but at the same time, he also expects Nations that expect US protection to contribute their fair share.

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too proud to ask for the Nigel's help ?

Several Conservative Party MPs have urged the Prime Minister not to be too proud to make use of Mr Farage's relationship with the President Elect.

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Good old Nige, a brilliant opportunist.

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its the American way :)

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The reporting on trump's position on NATO has like in so many area's involving trump been woeful at best outright fabrication at worst but i actually agree with him that NATO members should pay their fair share. Too many nations have cut their defence spending over relying on the US to take up the slack. I think the way this will be gotten round is the single eu military that brussels wants and has the plans for.

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Isn't there a fixed percentage of GDP as the "fair share"?

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yup it's supposed to be 2% minimum, we just about do that, many other members don't.

I can see why the US get mardy over that.

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The US are right to be upset about that. Obama has been as well. However he shouldn't question the principle of an attack on one being an attack on all nor should he consider removing NATO defences from Eastern Europe. We should increase our percentage anyway although we're, rightfully, renewing our deterrent.

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His position is a little more complicated then that Damien he supports NATO fully based on the time we made the deal with the russians that we have since broken handing Putin a legitimate reason to whip up a bit of hatred. That doesn't mean what Putin has done is acceptable but the west cannot deny it's part in events that have happened.

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The same tactics employed to undermine Brexit. Some serious scaremongering, distortion and exaggeration going on even allowing for some of Trump's rather absurd statements.

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Same tactics used to exaggerate benefits of brexit and indeed Hilary

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US President-elect Donald Trump has said he will deport or jail up to three million illegal migrants initially.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37969112

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They have contributed their fair share in blood alone, remind me who is the one nation that has benefitted from article 5 actually being used

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Mother kicks son out of house because he voted for Donald Trump in school.

Heartbreaking.

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If that video is real i hope she's prosecuted to the full extent of the law as that's just disgusting and she is no parent by any measure i use absolutely pathetic. We have one group tired of the same ol political merry go round that constantly marginalises and walks over large sections of society and then we have the group who have total belief that their way is the only way and when things dont go their way attack the people not the cause of the problem. The latter group cannot see beyond their own arrogance and self righteousness that maybe just maybe their way isn't right and doesn't work, i think more elections are going to go against the old structure with some pretty unpleasant people getting elected before a new and hopefully better way of doing things emerges.

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It won't be, it's just a pathetic stunt.

If it were real, the kid would be better off away from them anyway.

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It wouldn't surprise me if it's real. There are some very weird parents out there but they'd be the last people to see that, it's far easier to blame other people for their shortcomings.

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Which would be more impressive if had gone the route of a blind trust for his business: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/1...d-trust-231179

As it is, unless he really is never going to talk to his children about business, he'll be making decisions in the White House that could impact his company. I had assumed a blind trust was a legal requirement but it turns out it's not. :rolleyes:

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you can buy a lot of jets and tanks with that.............Pretty much every European country during the Cold War.

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Article 5 has been used once and it wasn't during the cold war, the fact it may have deterred war doesn't detract from the fact it's still only been used once