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Dave42 29-07-2015 11:19

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how to force update on pc or tablet

http://goodereader.com/blog/tablet-s...-pc-and-tablet

Tinky 29-07-2015 12:57

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Please encourage my laziness of not having to scroll through all the previous discussions and can someone please tell me simple terms answers to the following?

Will I lose all my pictures/documents etc? What prog/applications/features will I gain and what will I lose I'm on Windows 7? What is the best/worst features of Windows 10? How long on average to download it:confused:? Has anyone upgraded to 10 and wished they hadn't. Finally is it reversible?

truthspeaker 29-07-2015 13:10

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On Windows 10 insider preview in build 10240 does the expire date appear after 29th July?

Dave42 29-07-2015 13:31

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Quote:

Originally Posted by truthspeaker (Post 35790929)
On Windows 10 insider preview in build 10240 does the expire date appear after 29th July?

10240 is final build so no expiry date

heero_yuy 29-07-2015 13:31

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Tinky (Post 35790927)
Please encourage my laziness of not having to scroll through all the previous discussions and can someone please tell me simple terms answers to the following?

Will I lose all my pictures/documents etc? What prog/applications/features will I gain and what will I lose I'm on Windows 7? What is the best/worst features of Windows 10? How long on average to download it:confused:? Has anyone upgraded to 10 and wished they hadn't. Finally is it reversible?

Here's a fairly comprehensive review of W10 vs W8 and W7, pro's and cons.

As for your data always back up before making any significant system changes. Data should be preserved but if the upgrade crashed then who knows?

Dave42 29-07-2015 13:33

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Tinky (Post 35790927)
Please encourage my laziness of not having to scroll through all the previous discussions and can someone please tell me simple terms answers to the following?

Will I lose all my pictures/documents etc? What prog/applications/features will I gain and what will I lose I'm on Windows 7? What is the best/worst features of Windows 10? How long on average to download it:confused:? Has anyone upgraded to 10 and wished they hadn't. Finally is it reversible?

no you not lose your pictures or documents the prog/applications/features you gain is Cortana the modern apps that can run in windowed mode now and you will lose windows media center

GazCBG 29-07-2015 14:38

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 35790909)
how to force update on pc or tablet

http://goodereader.com/blog/tablet-s...-pc-and-tablet

Has anyone tried this?

alanbjames 29-07-2015 14:48

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Well its all installed and working, had a few issues with Kaspersky but all sorted.

Dave42 29-07-2015 14:48

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Quote:

Originally Posted by GazCBG (Post 35790950)
Has anyone tried this?

or better way use media creator tool and install over 7 or 8.1 be safest way

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/soft...load/windows10

Horizon 29-07-2015 14:52

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Quote:

Originally Posted by GazCBG (Post 35790950)
Has anyone tried this?

Didn't work for me, any other ways to force the download?

GazCBG 29-07-2015 14:57

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Quote:

Originally Posted by alanbjames (Post 35790953)
Well its all installed and working, had a few issues with Kaspersky but all sorted.

How did you get it installed, was it through a normal update or a force on, if so how did you force it?

damien c 29-07-2015 15:00

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I am getting close to giving up on this pos, done a upgrade on both machines and both machines will not activate, done a fresh install on both machines and they will not activate.

Spent nearly 2 hours on the phone to Microsoft who confirm that my keys will activate windows 10 via upgrade or clean install, but nothing will work.

I am now trying a fresh install of Windows 8.1 on one pc and Windows 8 on another and see if that works, if that doesn't work then Microsoft can go swivel and I will go to Linux instead, to bad you cannot play the likes of Battlefield or COD or most games that I play on Linux.

truthspeaker 29-07-2015 15:05

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@Dave42 you say preview build will never expire?
It's like a trail version of Windows 10.
You should remember I did a clean install not a upgrade.

Dave42 29-07-2015 15:10

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Quote:

Originally Posted by truthspeaker (Post 35790965)
@Dave42 you say preview build will never expire?
It's like a trail version of Windows 10.
You should remember I did a clean install not a upgrade.

well it final version MS did say got to upgrade before clean install it

damien c 29-07-2015 16:03

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Well update for me is 1 machine has Windows 8 on it and it's activated using my legit key, and the other machine has 8.1 on it activated so now installing updates and will go from there.

Issue is that the Windows 10 icon is no longer showing, so need to sort that out later.

Tinky 29-07-2015 16:07

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Is it reversible?

Osem 29-07-2015 16:42

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Tinky (Post 35790974)
Is it reversible?

You sound like me... :erm: ;)

Tinky 29-07-2015 16:58

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I listened to you on the other thread and we are both septic (lol) I would go for it right now, but no one is saying what we will lose Osem.:erm:

---------- Post added at 16:58 ---------- Previous post was at 16:55 ----------

Quote:

Originally Posted by damien c (Post 35790964)
I am getting close to giving up on this pos, done a upgrade on both machines and both machines will not activate, done a fresh install on both machines and they will not activate.

Spent nearly 2 hours on the phone to Microsoft who confirm that my keys will activate windows 10 via upgrade or clean install, but nothing will work.

I am now trying a fresh install of Windows 8.1 on one pc and Windows 8 on another and see if that works, if that doesn't work then Microsoft can go swivel and I will go to Linux instead, to bad you cannot play the likes of Battlefield or COD or most games that I play on Linux.


This is a big worry for me, possibly better the devil you know Osem eh?

denphone 29-07-2015 17:01

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35790978)
You sound like me... :erm: ;)

This does not bode well.:)

Tinky 29-07-2015 17:12

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Quote:

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35790983)
This does not bode well.:)

mmm Den a lot at stake 'softly softly catchy monkey'. I was all for it, but then the doubts started creeping in. Too many unanswered questions.

Osem 29-07-2015 17:38

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Tinky (Post 35790985)
mmm Den a lot at stake 'softly softly catchy monkey'. I was all for it, but then the doubts started creeping in. Too many unanswered questions.

I volunteer Den do our trial. Then if it all goes pear shaped and can't be reversed he'll know why we were cautious... :D

denphone 29-07-2015 17:41

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35790993)
I volunteer Den do our trial. Then if it all goes pear shaped and can't be reversed he'll know why we were cautious... :D

Well l can't as nothing is showing up at the moment.:D

heero_yuy 29-07-2015 17:44

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I wouldn't have it as my main OS for at least 6 months. Needs to have a proper shake down first to get the bugs out and allow the registry hacks to be established. Got to be able to get rid of the worst of the frippery and undesirable behaviour.

Sirius 29-07-2015 18:04

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Quote:

Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35790997)
I wouldn't have it as my main OS for at least 6 months. Needs to have a proper shake down first to get the bugs out and allow the registry hacks to be established. Got to be able to get rid of the worst of the frippery and undesirable behaviour.

I have been using it on my main pc for a while now and i push my pc. Its been rock solid.

alanbjames 29-07-2015 18:05

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For Cortana it seems u have to have a seperate microphone as i cannot get the one built to my webcam to work.

dave6x 29-07-2015 18:11

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Quote:

Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35790997)
I wouldn't have it as my main OS for at least 6 months. Needs to have a proper shake down first to get the bugs out and allow the registry hacks to be established. Got to be able to get rid of the worst of the frippery and undesirable behaviour.

Fully agree, would never have any previous M$ OS before SP1 (well Win8 was 8.1) and intend to let the dust settle on Win 10 before it goes on the family PC. Will give it a go on my Win 7 lappy in about a month then hopefully I'll have the answers for my other half when I put it on Family desktop PC and she says "how do I do this?" or "It won't do that." etc!!!

SnoopZ 29-07-2015 18:45

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Quote:

Originally Posted by alanbjames (Post 35791002)
For Cortana it seems u have to have a seperate microphone as i cannot get the one built to my webcam to work.

It works with my Logitech webcam, I think I just had to tell it to use it when I first open Cortana.

---------- Post added at 18:45 ---------- Previous post was at 18:43 ----------

For all you guys pondering whether to install it, there is no rush you have 12 months to do it before you lose the free option.

I have run it for a good few months now and it has been rock solid here.

multiskilled 29-07-2015 19:07

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Just updated on my pc, took about an hour though I didn't time it. No obvious problems.

Should be fun and games when other half goes on as she has just got used to 8.1.

Dave42 29-07-2015 19:36

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Quote:

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35790996)
Well l can't as nothing is showing up at the moment.:D

if you use the media creator tool you get option to update pc now or create media so you can get it now

denphone 29-07-2015 19:38

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l think given the foreboding's of some on this thread perhaps the wisest idea is to wait.:Yikes::eeek:

damien c 29-07-2015 19:39

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So upgraded both pc's now to Windows 10.

M-ITX Lan/Media Server rig has Windows 10 Home

Main Gaming PC has Windows 10 Pro so happy about that.

Just doing a back up now of my main pc as that is the only one with a DVD drive in it, and then I am going to try a clean install using the Windows 10 Pro ISO that I am creating at the moment.

If it doesn't work with either the Windows 8 Pro key or the one that I have got from Magic Jelly Bean then I don't, know how I am going to be able to do a clean install in the future when I need to.


**Update**

Done a fresh install using the Windows 8 key, and the one from Magic Jelly Bean and both keys are not being activated, I cannot even change the product key within windows because it says my Windows 8 key is not valid even though I have already used it to upgrade to Windows 8.1 to Windows 10.

I wonder if Microsoft will ever launch a version of windows without issues like this, as its always the same pos service from them.

1st blocking legit keys, then telling you that your key is not valid after telling you twice that it is and then telling you that you have to buy a new key even though it will activate when upgrading but not when you try to do a clean install even though they say it should.

Dave42 29-07-2015 20:46

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Quote:

Originally Posted by damien c (Post 35791030)
So upgraded both pc's now to Windows 10.

M-ITX Lan/Media Server rig has Windows 10 Home

Main Gaming PC has Windows 10 Pro so happy about that.

Just doing a back up now of my main pc as that is the only one with a DVD drive in it, and then I am going to try a clean install using the Windows 10 Pro ISO that I am creating at the moment.

If it doesn't work with either the Windows 8 Pro key or the one that I have got from Magic Jelly Bean then I don't, know how I am going to be able to do a clean install in the future when I need to.

if you upgraded and it activated you should be fine with clean install with magic jelly bean key

damien c 29-07-2015 21:01

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The fresh install would not accept the Windows 8 key but it accepted the one from Magic Jelly Bean but it will not activate using it, and I cannot change the key either.

It's just pathetic that they seem to have killed off doing fresh installs going by what I am seeing here, and have been seeing since 9am this morning trying to get both machines to have clean install on them.

Currently on the phone with Microsoft once again.

**Edit**

They just hung up on me again. that is the 9th time today they have hung up on me when trying to transfer me or claiming they cannot hear what I am saying when I am trying my hardest not to loose my cool with them since they cannot understand the difference between the numbers "2" & "3".

Dave42 29-07-2015 21:02

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Quote:

Originally Posted by damien c (Post 35791040)
The fresh install would not accept the Windows 8 key but it accepted the one from Magic Jelly Bean but it will not activate using it, and I cannot change the key either.

It's just pathetic that they seem to have killed off doing fresh installs going by what I am seeing here, and have been seeing since 9am this morning trying to get both machines to have clean install on them.

Currently on the phone with Microsoft once again.

did you use Microsoft account of local one

SnoopZ 29-07-2015 21:08

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Anyone who is currently on build 10240 as an insider doesn't need to upgrade today as we already have the latest.

When I want to get my free invite after I reinstall 8.1, how long does it take for the invite app to show up or can I just manually install that if I find out the update number?

Lew 29-07-2015 21:10

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Looks like the licensing servers for the Windows Store are being hammered right now. Loads of people (myself included) are unable to install any apps, getting error 0x803f7003

adduxi 29-07-2015 21:17

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Just upgraded one PC and one Laptop, both from Windows 8.1 without any issues, so far.
Took about 2 hours wait for the licenses to get activated, however they are now done. I did try initially to activate as soon as the upgrade was finished, but decided to leave them alone, and they did eventually activate on their own.
Have not tried a clean install from the ISO creation as yet, and may not either.

damien c 29-07-2015 21:23

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 35791041)
did you use Microsoft account of local one

Microsoft account, and I have just checked it and it was showing as logged in to the Microsoft account but needed to be verified, as soon as I did that and rebooted it activated.

What a PITA system that is, that you cannot activate until you have not only logged in with your account but also validated the account on your pc which, I can understand for security reasons but you would, have thought that Microsoft Customer Support would have asked for that to be verified first.


**Edit**

For those who have a similar issue to what I have had all day here is what I needed to do in the end.

1: Install Windows 7/8/8.1

2: Install all updates to the point there is none left

3: Upgrade Windows 8 to Windows 8.1

4: Install the Windows 10 Upgrade so that you have Windows 10 installed

5: Ensure you are logged in to a Microsoft Live Account for logging in etc

6: Ensure Windows 10 is activated

7: Download Windows 10 Media Creator Tool

8: Create the ISO file for the version of Windows 10 that is installed IE Home, Pro etc

9: Download Magic Jelly Bean, install it and run it to obtain the Windows 10 key.

10: Burn the ISO to DVD or create a USB Installer using Rufus

11: Carry out a clean install of Windows 10 using the ISO you created.

12: Ensure that when you install it, that you use the key you get from Magic Jelly Bean

13: Ensure once the install is complete that you are logged in using your Windows Live login details

14: Verify your Live account on the machine

15: Check the activation status to ensure you are fully activated

16: Store the key from Magic Jelly Bean somewhere safe as you will need that in the future for any further clean installs if, it does not pick it up from your live account.

It is a PITA way to have to do it, since Microsoft say your Windows 7/8/8.1 key should work but it only took me nearly 12 hours to finally figure it out after spending nearly, 4 hours in total on the phone to Microsoft and doing around 10 clean installs and upgrades of Windows 8/8.1 & 10.

Now my main pc is sorted I now have to deal with my lan/media pc.

Maggy 29-07-2015 22:17

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Got it installed but it seems Cortana won't work as it should..not that it's a problem..it just annoyed my son.

SnoopZ 29-07-2015 22:22

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35791063)
Got it installed but it seems Cortana won't work as it should..not that it's a problem..it just annoyed my son.

I have just read that Cortana isn't supported with the UK language pack on installs today which I find strange as my insider build works fine.

truthspeaker 29-07-2015 22:32

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don't do I clean install if you upgraded it won't activate automatically you have to buy I new key from Microsoft if you do clean install.
Gabe Aul was wrong about clean install after upgrading so be careful

damien c 29-07-2015 22:43

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Well the install on my M-ITX rig doesn't like the key at the moment, going to give it one more try and then call it a night and try again tomorrow.

jb66 30-07-2015 00:11

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Mine updated ok, so good so far

Dave42 30-07-2015 00:41

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SnoopZ (Post 35791065)
I have just read that Cortana isn't supported with the UK language pack on installs today which I find strange as my insider build works fine.

the uk is one of the 5 to 8 country cant remember exactly that's supported for Cortana at moment rest will come latter

---------- Post added at 00:41 ---------- Previous post was at 00:39 ----------

Quote:

Originally Posted by truthspeaker (Post 35791067)
don't do I clean install if you upgraded it won't activate automatically you have to buy I new key from Microsoft if you do clean install.
Gabe Aul was wrong about clean install after upgrading so be careful

I done it a few times to test activates every time here and some on windows forums say they needed to skip key to activate on clean install after upgrade

truthspeaker 30-07-2015 03:00

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@Dave42 yeah insider preview got activated on clean install. permanently activated. I have no problem with that.
but the windows 10 ISO that came out on 29th July I did a clean install and skip the serial key is not activated.
you can try it if you don't believe me.

I wanted to install windows 8.1 again my laptop can't even boot from USB anymore. I wish I didn't listen to Gabe Aul

you can see is quotes on twitter

Dave42 30-07-2015 03:06

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Quote:

Originally Posted by truthspeaker (Post 35791094)
@Dave42 yeah insider preview got activated on clean install. permanently activated. I have no problem with that.
but the windows 10 ISO that came out on 29th July I did a clean install and skip the serial key is not activated.
you can try it if you don't believe me.

I wanted to install windows 8.1 again my laptop can't even boot from USB anymore. I wish I didn't listen to Gabe Aul

you can see is quotes on twitter

I believe you I clean installed from official ISO today and it activated straight away just a few on some windows forums saying they got activated by skipping key try making a dvd from the windows 8.1 to install that way from official 8.1 media creator

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-GB/w...-refresh-media

Harryn9000 30-07-2015 07:38

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35791063)
Got it installed but it seems Cortana won't work as it should..not that it's a problem..it just annoyed my son.

Go to language pack and upgraded them then it should work

blackthorn 30-07-2015 07:49

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I`ve had the notification on the taskbar for ages now but this morning it has gone but when I go to windows update there are no updates to install. Does that mean I`m not getting it now even though it originally said It was reserved.

Ken W 30-07-2015 09:08

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Quote:

Originally Posted by blackthorn (Post 35791104)
I`ve had the notification on the taskbar for ages now but this morning it has gone but when I go to windows update there are no updates to install. Does that mean I`m not getting it now even though it originally said It was reserved.

Same here.

mrmistoffelees 30-07-2015 09:30

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Surface Pro 3 - upgraded yesterday All devices installed correctly in device manager but Windows 10 saying there are no wireless devices installed??

so no network access going to have to downgrade it :(

SnoopZ 30-07-2015 09:35

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Quote:

Originally Posted by blackthorn (Post 35791104)
I`ve had the notification on the taskbar for ages now but this morning it has gone but when I go to windows update there are no updates to install. Does that mean I`m not getting it now even though it originally said It was reserved.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ken W (Post 35791107)
Same here.

You can force it using the method in the link.

http://goodereader.com/blog/tablet-s...-pc-and-tablet

TAZMANUK 30-07-2015 09:36

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Force the update but first go into c:/windows/software distribution/download and delete everything in that folder.

Then load up windows update but don't click update.

Load up a CMD with administration permission and type in wuauclt.exe/update now

Press return then hit update on windows update, whilst it's searching do the CMD command again

Maggy 30-07-2015 09:47

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SnoopZ (Post 35791065)
I have just read that Cortana isn't supported with the UK language pack on installs today which I find strange as my insider build works fine.

Turns out he forgot to put the 'Hey Cortana' in front of the request..:D

SnoopZ 30-07-2015 10:59

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35791115)
Turns out he forgot to put the 'Hey Cortana' in front of the request..:D

Glad it is working.

---------- Post added at 10:59 ---------- Previous post was at 09:50 ----------

I think i will just stay on the 10240 insider preview for a good while until all the upgrade problems have been explained as don't feel like installing Windows 8.1 and all the updates again!

Dave42 30-07-2015 11:43

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Zac Bowden ‏@ZacB_ · 35m35 minutes ago
Looks like the new Windows 10 activation system is just slow, all my non-activated Windows 10 devices appear to have re-activated overnight

for those having trouble activating sit tight for a couple of days

Stop It 30-07-2015 11:58

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 35791137)
Zac Bowden ‏@ZacB_ · 35m35 minutes ago
Looks like the new Windows 10 activation system is just slow, all my non-activated Windows 10 devices appear to have re-activated overnight

for those having trouble activating sit tight for a couple of days

Yeah, the activation servers were clearly being hammered.

So far so good for the devices I have chucked Win 10 on, including my partners laptop which totally rejected the preview build as the keyboard and touchpad didn't work before.

truthspeaker 30-07-2015 12:28

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I ring Microsoft he said wait for 2 or 3 days. if not still working ring again

SnoopZ 30-07-2015 12:41

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Has anyone figured out a way of making windows open in the exact same location each time they're opened in Windows 10?

damien c 30-07-2015 12:42

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Quote:

Originally Posted by truthspeaker (Post 35791145)
I ring Microsoft he said wait for 2 or 3 days. if not still working ring again

Yep my M-ITX system is back on Windows 8.1 at the moment, and then going to upgrade it to Windows 10 as although I did a back up previously I forgot I have no DVD drive in that system and my external one, is broke so I cannot use that.

Called Microsoft this morning to get my ITX system activated and they told me that my key had been blocked, for multiple activation attempts failing and that I would need to buy a new key, as soon as I refused I was told to wait 2 to 7 days for the system to be fixed and try again.

I am sorry but how can a company like Microsoft not understand, that a Windows 7/8/8.1 key will not activate a Windows 10 OS and that you need a Windows 10 key.

Microsoft could have saved themselves a whole heap of issues by just emailing people a Product Key, and saying to use that to activate your copy of Windows 10, but then again Microsoft and Common Sense don't go together that well.

downquark1 30-07-2015 13:02

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They are doing staggered updates. I think the UK isn't suppose to be upgrading yet, which may explain some of the issues.

Gavin78 30-07-2015 14:04

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I installed it by other means, a website giving a link to down load it. I had issues with my killer network card/ethernet.

Ethernet was dropping connection randomly and my wifi wouldn't connect at all so removed the driver and reinstalled and that totally bombed it wouldn't work at all. went to pc specialists site downloaded the windows 10 driver and that killed it full stop so had a back up of windows 8.1 driver and installed that and so far wifi is back working ok

Tinky 30-07-2015 18:21

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Gavin78 (Post 35791170)
I installed it by other means, a website giving a link to down load it. I had issues with my killer network card/ethernet.

Ethernet was dropping connection randomly and my wifi wouldn't connect at all so removed the driver and reinstalled and that totally bombed it wouldn't work at all. went to pc specialists site downloaded the windows 10 driver and that killed it full stop so had a back up of windows 8.1 driver and installed that and so far wifi is back working ok

This is the sort of thing I am afraid of. I decide to upgrade and something goes wrong, I have no way of getting back on here to get help, very worrying when you are not too IT savvy. :erm::shocking::Yikes:

joglynne 30-07-2015 18:36

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There is no way I am going to upgrade until I see lots of reports that the upgrade can be carried out smoothly. For instance at the moment there seem to be issues with certain drivers. Maybe after Microsoft issue their first update I will change my mind but this is only a day into the operation and we have a whole year in which to get Windows 10 for free.

Tinky 30-07-2015 18:48

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Jo I entirely agree, too many whatevers?, I can wait, early days yet.

damien c 30-07-2015 18:50

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So I finally have both machines running with clean installs that are fully activated, and in the process of loading programs, games and other software etc.

I have found though that suddenly I have 2 logins showing up on the login page which is preventing the auto login from happening which, I am now trying to figure out how to resolve as in the user accounts section there is only my main live account showing up, and everywhere I look there is only one user which is my live account, but the login page is showing a local account as well.

That is on both pc's and I am wondering if it has something to do with me changing the computer names so they are not "PC-XXXXXXX" and instead, are labelled correctly as "Gaming" & "Media", if that is what has caused it then it's yet another PITA issue to fix.

Gavin78 30-07-2015 19:17

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I also have issues with the Soundblaster cinema card in my laptop tried to load that up and windows 10 doesn't like it says there is no card even though the software is loading the card installs ok driver wise. luckily the laptop must have alternative sound as using Via HD audio deck and that is working ok.

Just had a look at the creative website and they wont have any drivers available for most of their sound cards till at least October.

I've also having problems with firefox it loads ok but wants to check it's the default browser everytime I open it even though I have checked the box saying it is.

Also windows bit defender is on by default and is greyed out so you can't turn it off I'm sure there is a work around for this but it doesn't appear to be conflicting with my Norton software.

Other than that I haven't noticed anything else yet but not had a chance to play around with it yet.

As with any op system it's finding things but I aren't keen on upgrades like fresh installs as things tend to work better so I might try a fresh install.

Martin_D 30-07-2015 20:26

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3 Laptops & 2 PCs now running windows 10 No problems so far 2 more PCs to go :)

truthspeaker 30-07-2015 20:40

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I get Error code: 0xC004C003 on clean install

damien c 30-07-2015 20:50

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Quote:

Originally Posted by truthspeaker (Post 35791255)
I get Error code: 0xC004C003 on clean install

Yep basically your key is blocked from activating at the moment, took ages for mine to activate and about 3 upgrades from windows 8.1 plus 3 clean installs of windows 10 just to get it to activate.

At the moment though this stupid issue with having 2 login accounts showing on the login screen, is really doing my head in when there is only 1 user account on the pc.

The 2nd user account has a password but I don't know what it is, I have tried all the usual passwords that I would have used, I have tried all the none usual ones, tried pins etc and nothing works I cannot log in to them and cannot remove them at the moment.

alferret 30-07-2015 20:52

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Question, you update to 10 and you want to do a clean install on a new drive, are you given a key for the fresh install.

Sirius 30-07-2015 21:11

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Originally Posted by Gavin78 (Post 35791235)
I also have issues with the Soundblaster cinema card in my laptop tried to load that up and windows 10 doesn't like it says there is no card even though the software is loading the card installs ok driver wise. luckily the laptop must have alternative sound as using Via HD audio deck and that is working ok.

Just had a look at the creative website and they wont have any drivers available for most of their sound cards till at least October.

I've also having problems with firefox it loads ok but wants to check it's the default browser everytime I open it even though I have checked the box saying it is.

Also windows bit defender is on by default and is greyed out so you can't turn it off I'm sure there is a work around for this but it doesn't appear to be conflicting with my Norton software.

Other than that I haven't noticed anything else yet but not had a chance to play around with it yet.

As with any op system it's finding things but I aren't keen on upgrades like fresh installs as things tend to work better so I might try a fresh install.

I had that, an uninstall of firefox and reinstall fixes it, don't delete the settings if asked when you unistall.

damien c 30-07-2015 21:21

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Well I finally figured out the reason for the 2 user logins appearing, and it was because I was telling it that I didn't want to enter the password and instead wanted to boot, directly in to the desktop without asking for a password.

As soon as I changed it back so it asked me for a password or pin, the 2nd user account disappeared.


As for the firefox thing, I found it was asking me each time I opened it and then I found that if I opened up the properties for Firefox where you change your home page there, was a tick box that was ticked even though I had unticked it when the pop up appeared, I then also had to change the default browser within the settings.

Got to Settings, then System, then scroll down to Default Apps and you can change it there as well but it will still keep asking you until you untick the box with Firefox's properties.

alanbjames 31-07-2015 00:09

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Can someone link me to this magic jelly bean please.

Also a report on YouTube suggests sp1 for 10 in August.

thenry 31-07-2015 00:12

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What is everyone running as an A/V on W10?

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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35791292)
The same as before Windows 10..Eset's Nod32.

I've found nod32 to be a bit of a lag recently. Looking at AV-Comparatives..

http://chart.av-comparatives.org/chart1.php

http://www.av-comparatives.org/wp-co..._201505_en.pdf

Avira looks the best bet with Avast for outright performance.

Maggy 31-07-2015 00:15

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Originally Posted by joglynne (Post 35791228)
There is no way I am going to upgrade until I see lots of reports that the upgrade can be carried out smoothly. For instance at the moment there seem to be issues with certain drivers. Maybe after Microsoft issue their first update I will change my mind but this is only a day into the operation and we have a whole year in which to get Windows 10 for free.

I have had no issues apart from Cortana failing to work at first..and the screen saver going grey but sorted after a play around with the settings..nothing major.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by thenry (Post 35791294)
What is everyone running as an A/V on W10?



I've found nod32 to be a bit of a lag recently. Looking at AV-Comparatives..

http://chart.av-comparatives.org/chart1.php

http://www.av-comparatives.org/wp-co..._201505_en.pdf

Avira looks the best bet with Avast for outright performance.

Still no issues for me..no lag of any kind and the CS is second to none.you should have emailed CS..they might have solved the issue for you..

videodj 31-07-2015 00:15

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Originally Posted by damien c (Post 35791050)
Microsoft account, and I have just checked it and it was showing as logged in to the Microsoft account but needed to be verified, as soon as I did that and rebooted it activated.

What a PITA system that is, that you cannot activate until you have not only logged in with your account but also validated the account on your pc which, I can understand for security reasons but you would, have thought that Microsoft Customer Support would have asked for that to be verified first.


**Edit**

For those who have a similar issue to what I have had all day here is what I needed to do in the end.

1: Install Windows 7/8/8.1

2: Install all updates to the point there is none left

3: Upgrade Windows 8 to Windows 8.1

4: Install the Windows 10 Upgrade so that you have Windows 10 installed

5: Ensure you are logged in to a Microsoft Live Account for logging in etc

6: Ensure Windows 10 is activated

7: Download Windows 10 Media Creator Tool

8: Create the ISO file for the version of Windows 10 that is installed IE Home, Pro etc

9: Download Magic Jelly Bean, install it and run it to obtain the Windows 10 key.

10: Burn the ISO to DVD or create a USB Installer using Rufus

11: Carry out a clean install of Windows 10 using the ISO you created.

12: Ensure that when you install it, that you use the key you get from Magic Jelly Bean

13: Ensure once the install is complete that you are logged in using your Windows Live login details

14: Verify your Live account on the machine

15: Check the activation status to ensure you are fully activated

16: Store the key from Magic Jelly Bean somewhere safe as you will need that in the future for any further clean installs if, it does not pick it up from your live account.

It is a PITA way to have to do it, since Microsoft say your Windows 7/8/8.1 key should work but it only took me nearly 12 hours to finally figure it out after spending nearly, 4 hours in total on the phone to Microsoft and doing around 10 clean installs and upgrades of Windows 8/8.1 & 10.

Now my main pc is sorted I now have to deal with my lan/media pc.

I didn't have these issues, I upgraded my laptop first, then created the ISO/USB. When I did a clean install I skipped adding a product key and once I got into windows, I logged back into my MS account and Windows activated on it's own. My research suggests that once you've upgrade MS remembers the PC, so if you reinstall it activates on it's own.

truthspeaker 31-07-2015 00:16

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@alferret
you just do a upgrade and install windows 10. maybe it changed the key for windows 10.
I didn't use KeyFinder Magical Jelly Bean to find windows 10 key.

I was thinking clean install will automatically detect my BIOS ID (motherboard) to activate windows 10. Microsoft didn't give me windows 10 serial key by E-mail or anything else.
it would have made life easy if Microsoft just gave the windows 10 key by e-mail.

they did say you should upgrade first then do a clean install, so I was thinking Microsoft will save my computer ID on there system. so you can install and clean install anytime.
but will wait for few days and see what happens

thenry 31-07-2015 00:38

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35791295)
Still no issues for me..no lag of any kind and the CS is second to none.you should have emailed CS..they might have solved the issue for you..

ESET CS was good when approached but its still a bit of a hound on system resources. av test has Avira AV, Bitdefender IS and Kaspersky IS for all round performance and protection for home users...

https://www.av-test.org/en/compare-m...turer-results/

I'm not sure who to go for. a stand alone a/v would do nicely so Avira it is :confused:

Dave42 31-07-2015 01:49

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Quote:

Originally Posted by truthspeaker (Post 35791298)
@alferret
you just do a upgrade and install windows 10. maybe it changed the key for windows 10.
I didn't use KeyFinder Magical Jelly Bean to find windows 10 key.

I was thinking clean install will automatically detect my BIOS ID (motherboard) to activate windows 10. Microsoft didn't give me windows 10 serial key by E-mail or anything else.
it would have made life easy if Microsoft just gave the windows 10 key by e-mail.

they did say you should upgrade first then do a clean install, so I was thinking Microsoft will save my computer ID on there system. so you can install and clean install anytime.
but will wait for few days and see what happens

try this found it on another windows forum in command prompt as admin type slmgr.vbs /ato

Dave42 31-07-2015 08:49

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Microsoft announces 14 million Windows 10 installs since launch

http://www.winbeta.org/news/microsof...edium=facebook

SnoopZ 31-07-2015 08:52

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Quote:

Originally Posted by thenry (Post 35791294)
What is everyone running as an A/V on W10?



I've found nod32 to be a bit of a lag recently. Looking at AV-Comparatives..

http://chart.av-comparatives.org/chart1.php

http://www.av-comparatives.org/wp-co..._201505_en.pdf

Avira looks the best bet with Avast for outright performance.

Been using Avast for months on Windows 10 without issue.

TAZMANUK 31-07-2015 09:27

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Found a bug, if you own windows 8.1 with media centre, then you may incur the issues I had as in windows 10 downloads, then does prepare installation, then error saying check PC followed by no further windows updates.

Reason is the media center only way I got it to install was the migration tool from Microsoft and choose upgrade to clean.

Or you could uninstall media center if that's possible.

damien c 31-07-2015 10:05

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Quote:

Originally Posted by videodj (Post 35791297)
I didn't have these issues, I upgraded my laptop first, then created the ISO/USB. When I did a clean install I skipped adding a product key and once I got into windows, I logged back into my MS account and Windows activated on it's own. My research suggests that once you've upgrade MS remembers the PC, so if you reinstall it activates on it's own.

I wish that was the experience I had with it as it would have been so much easier and both machines would, have been up and running a long time ago but as it is, my experience with upgrading was fine as it upgraded with no problems it was when I wanted to do a clean install that I ran in to issues.

As it is I am slowly working out the ways of doing things, now I just need to figure out how to get Numlock to be on when the pc boots, as for some reason it isn't and I cannot find a option for it in the bios on both machines, but it worked fine on Windows 7 and Windows 8.1

admars 31-07-2015 12:41

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I switched to free bitdefender from free avast, and free avira as the missus and I got fed up with annoying nag windows/pop up adverts for their other services etc.

all worked in win 10 fine though.

joglynne 31-07-2015 13:03

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I have been using Panda free 2015 for some months and hopefully it will be OK with Windows 10.

If anyone else uses it with W10 I would be interested in hearing how they have gone on.

MalteseFalcon 31-07-2015 14:33

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I am using, and have been using, the F Secure service through Virgin Media. Picks up 99.9% of bugs/viruses and what isn't picked up by that Malwarebytes does. Certainly thinking about doing the £25 for a year when the free trial ends in September.

Paul 31-07-2015 16:16

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I'm glad you are all having so much fun :erm:

I'm not in any hurry to upgrade my Windows 7, and I have a full year to do it in anyway.

I think i'll wait a month or two, then image one of my machines and give it a try, if all else fails I can just restore the image.

qasdfdsaq 31-07-2015 16:27

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I've been waiting for Win 10 for a while because I technically don't have a legal copy of Windows running on my laptop. But since I only use it once a month or two I'm not in a desperate rush either.

figgyburn 31-07-2015 18:06

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notice that the little windows 10 upgrade box on the bottom taskbar has reappeared again after disappearing for a couple of days.

broadbandking 31-07-2015 19:22

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laptop has upgraded fine, just running ccleaner to delete my old windows install according to ccleaner it cleaning 23gb of data hmmmmm. my desktop is running windows 10 from the insiders program so I am just leaving that as it set up just the way I need it for my media needs.

truthspeaker 31-07-2015 20:16

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looks like people on windows insider build got a free licence to RTM build.

alanbjames 31-07-2015 20:36

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well so far i have this to say.

A big + is that Windows 10 seems to always allow me to remove safely external media once ive finished with it where as windows 8.1 would claim it was still in use until a reboot.

A - though is Cortana. I think shes giving me the silent treatment its like being married again. I say Hey Cortana! and it responds but when i ask a question nothing happens.

SnoopZ 31-07-2015 22:05

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Quote:

Originally Posted by truthspeaker (Post 35791450)
looks like people on windows insider build got a free licence to RTM build.

Where did you get that from as we have been told if we stay in the program we have Windows 10 but if we leave it we still have to upgrade from Windows 7/8.1?

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Quote:

Originally Posted by alanbjames (Post 35791452)
well so far i have this to say.

A big + is that Windows 10 seems to always allow me to remove safely external media once ive finished with it where as windows 8.1 would claim it was still in use until a reboot.

A - though is Cortana. I think shes giving me the silent treatment its like being married again. I say Hey Cortana! and it responds but when i ask a question nothing happens.

Are you pressing the microphone button before you speak?

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There is something you guys may want to change in your update settings!

The settings are set to download updates but also share them on your local network and Internet as default!!! ..... i smell a class action lawsuit coming!

http://www.winbeta.org/news/windows-...medium=twitter

truthspeaker 01-08-2015 01:02

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My bad
yeah Windows 10 insider preview have to upgrade from Windows 7 or 8.1 to get a license then they can clean install.

Jimmy-J 01-08-2015 01:06

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Some talk on the net about the Windows 10 privacy agreement.

"We will access, disclose and preserve personal data, including your content (such as the content of your emails, other private communications or files in private folders), when we have a good faith belief that doing so is necessary to."

I think you can opt out, but most of the privacy settings are set to opt in by default.

So I've heard, anyone checked this out yet?

thenry 01-08-2015 11:02

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Is anyone having issues with shut down as in the machine is still operational after the display is knocked out?

Maggy 01-08-2015 11:33

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Sigh! The inability to block ads in MS Edge is causing a whining, whinging noise to come from my other half..I guess he's going to have to get use to Firefox..

SnoopZ 01-08-2015 11:52

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Originally Posted by thenry (Post 35791537)
Is anyone having issues with shut down as in the machine is still operational after the display is knocked out?

I don't have issues but sometimes it installs the updates when it is shut down.

Not really related but did you see my post about your PC being used to distribute updates to other people on the internet as the default is ON a few posts up the page?

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35791546)
Sigh! The inability to block ads in MS Edge is causing a whining, whinging noise to come from my other half..I guess he's going to have to get use to Firefox..

I want to try Edge but until they enable extension support i can't.

thenry 01-08-2015 14:25

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It isn't update related although I have adjusted update settings thanks :tu:

To be a little clearer the final phase during shutdown the screen goes blank but the machine remains on for 10 odd seconds. Seems a bit odd.

truthspeaker 01-08-2015 15:35

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i just read on google search some people did clean install without windows 7 or windows 8.1 and got windows 10 insider preview got a free RTM.

command prompt slmgr /xpr it says permanently activated.
some people got windows pirate and got free windows 10.


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