Re: Operation Yewtree
 

Seems too many have been looking the other way.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-28182373

Re: Operation Yewtree
 

You made this statement

you then went on to say

my point is in the case of Rolf it does not matter how fired up or good Rolf felt about himself it was not solely his choice to get rich and famous other people were involved. Such as the BBC for example. Now say for example some guy who had no idea what Rolf was upto gave him a job on a show ok this made him money and raised his profile. Say for example another producer was looking at giving Rolf another show which would have made him even more famous however he heard a rumour that Rolf was dodgy and gave it to Bill Oddie instead. My point is what he was upto could just have easily lost him work as he himself being fired up gained him

Re: Operation Yewtree
 

So the house it was under should be sued too.

Re: Operation Yewtree
 

your turn to not make sense lol

Re: Operation Yewtree
 

The powerful people holding down high positions in companies you touched on should also be held responsible, sued as well.

Re: Operation Yewtree
 

I didn't say the victims shouldn't claim (although I don't honestly think getting money, not matter how much, will reduce their suffering). I was merely making the point that they aren't the only victims of these crimes. Should the family be made to suffer because of what the abuser did?

As for suing the companies, I have no problem with that.

Re: Operation Yewtree
 

Justice will make them feel good. His crimes coming to light, him rightly being convicted of the crimes and some form of compensation. The family can make their own claim(s).

Re: Operation Yewtree
 

That paragraph is so convoluted as to be meaningless.Who will feel good? The victims or his family?

Re: Operation Yewtree
 

victims.

family.

Re: Operation Yewtree
 

Hmm! So the blameless must be punished to suit your notions of right and wrong.What a black and white world you live in..Glad the rest of us don't live there.

Re: Operation Yewtree
 

:LOL: ok i pay tv license. why should my legally required contribution pay compo for something i had sod all to do with ?

Re: Operation Yewtree
 

http://news.sky.com/story/1295878/mp...r-abuse-claims

This item will probably come under the same operation. When l got abused, yes, l was young, but it always went unoticed, I got abused for five years. Did l know what was happening. No, as my parents thought it was an everyday thing.

When l went into employment, l worked for a company and l was always tasked to work at hotels and offices around parliament.

You were told by security that they would have to be escorted to your van. As at the time of say 1.30am You would see things that would make your hair curl.

IF this document has been mislaid, its because they dont want it revealed, as it would cause uproar in certain circles.

Nowadays, people are coming out of the woodwork, simply for the compo.

People should try and watch 'Johnny go home'. Would l like to bring up the past - No. I cannot change the past, l have revealed certain parts to my wife, and she alone is the only person who knows.

Re: Operation Yewtree
 

And how will that happen?

I haven't read of anyone suing the BBC...

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You do realise that it is likely that unless the family do pay compensation, we will all (as either or licence payers) be paying? All of the organisations under the spotlight are publicly funded.

Re: Operation Yewtree
 

may be because

as for Jimmy Saviles victims...

m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21440827

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why is it one or the other. couldnt the victims sue both where theres a legit case? and yes i do realise i couldnt care less. i say give the victims some comfort black and white

Re: Operation Yewtree
 

By making more victims? The families involved are, as far as we know, innocent of everything apart from being related to a child abuser. Why should they suffer?

Re: Operation Yewtree
 

Rolf Harris is responsible for that. His actions have consequences. Deal with it!

Re: Operation Yewtree
 

We seem to have reached the broken record stage in this thread..Neither side is going to change the other's mind so I reckon it's time to agree to disagree.

Good afternoon to you all.:)

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In which case shouldn't the abuser have shown more concern for his families financial well being, he did the crime and if the court decides financial compensation will ease the victims suffering so be it.

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I have already said that the victims should have compensation. I was just making the point that there are more victims than people are counting.

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Yes, there are innocent victims on both sides. To imagine that the families of the guilty aren't also suffering through no fault of their own is nonsense.

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See every aspect of public life is being investigated now. Would be devastated if the Chuckle Brothers are implicated in any way. Must stress that I am not making any insinuation, but they are the last good thing of my childhood. Would be horrible for that to be ruined as well.

Re: Operation Yewtree
 

In which case the point stands, the abuser should have considered them above his perversions and they're a different level of victim at least they weren't abused, hopefully.

Re: Operation Yewtree
 

Sir Cliff Richard's home searched by police.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-28790718

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Don't know what's going on nowadays with our police. Why would they release this statement without him being arrested or charged.

Re: Operation Yewtree
 

No idea, it does seem very unfair at this early stage.

Re: Operation Yewtree
 

According to the "World at One" on R4 he's abroad at the moment. Perhaps he won't come back. :)

Re: Operation Yewtree
 

Wow. I must admit that when this whole operation began, there were loads of people on Twitter saying Cliff would be quizzed. Until today, I paid no attention to those rumours. I hope he isn't arrested or charged, but seems weird that they would search his property at all if he wasn't around. I'm just in shock.

I pray that the Chuckle brothers aren't dragged into this now, that would be my whole childhood ruined for me then.

Re: Operation Yewtree
 

Apparently, according to LBC News, this matter isn't being investigated as part of Operation Yewtree.

Re: Operation Yewtree
 

There is a statement from Cliff here, looks like its South Yorkshire police who instigated this, rather than Operation Yewtree. Still seems odd that they would release a statement like this as mud tends to stick wether found guilty or not.

Saying that we all know that South Yorks police have a way of doing things different.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2...l-abuse-claims

Re: Operation Yewtree
 

Since when has it been within the law for the police to gain entry to a probety without the owners consent, as far as I know they have to give the owner a search warrent or arrest him to search the house.

Re: Operation Yewtree
 

I do get a sense that these house searches are just a fishing expedition. If an allegation has been made that photos were taken and might still be there, that is one thing, but to search on the off chance there is evidence of other wrongdoing is quite another.

Re: Operation Yewtree
 

Im sure one of them has been handsomely rewarded for tipping off the press.

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No, if the owner is not present they can force entry.

Gwent police did this to my property last year, the IPCC were not particularly interested about it. They refused to pay for the damage because 'They had good reason to believe that I was running a large scale drugs operation' although the warrant was obtained under questionable means.

The senior officer involved was very sheepish and apologetic about it as they were made to look like a bunch of incompetent idiots. He actually tried his best to get the damage paid for, all I asked for was the cost of the replacement door and frame I was not even concerned about the fitting costs.

For me it wasn't the fact that they were incompetent, it was the arrogance of their legal department who didn't want to admit their incompetence. The general opinion from others who have experienced the same is it appears to be that Gwent police seem to have somewhat of a reputation for it, and they will not admit any liability.

The information leading to them searching my house came from an incompetent PCSO. They would not admit it, but he disappeared from this beat immediately when I pointed the finger and rushes off like a scalded cat when he sees me. It's quite funny to see him look uncomfortable and run off in the opposite direction, his day will come.

What they have now is a member of the public who would never help them, and would certainly not go to the assistance of an officer in distress.

So the reality is., that they will do as they please when it comes to obtaining a warrant, forcing entry and searching your home.

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I hope that this is just someone trying to get money out of McCartney or some twisted type of fame. It's disheartening seeing so many icons of our recent history turning out to be evil paedos.

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TBH honest most of them are absolute cretins.

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If the house is empty and a warrant is obtained they won't wait until the occupier comes back home. The warrant empowers the Police to force entry.

There needs to be some evidence of criminality before a warrant is granted, there isn't just a stack of them sitting about waiting for a celebrity to move to the area so they can punt his door in.

To stop rumours for a start. The press etc would know fine well a search was ongoing thanks to neighbours and twitter. A Police press release gets the facts straight before the Internet gossip squads can start.

Re: Operation Yewtree
 

I can understand searching premises where there is an allegation of theft or something involving a physical object eg drugs, but what physical evidence after all this time could there be about this specific allegation? They seem to just look on the off chance there is evidence of unconnected offences.

Re: Operation Yewtree
 

what bugs me - and I wrote a letter to the home secretary to which I got no reply

even if people are as guilty as hell - there should be no trial by media

it's not right

Re: Operation Yewtree
 

Just goes to show, you never know what dangers lurk in the shadows :)

Boodum tish

Re: Operation Yewtree
 

Well off the top of my head thee could be photographs, diaries etc. all of which could give corroboration to the allegations.

Re: Operation Yewtree
 

Since Cliff Richard has homes abroad and spends a lot of his time there, surely if these allegations are true and photos do exist he would have had the sense not to leave them in his UK residence?

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Yes, I thought that. Wonder if his properties abroad will also be searched?

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Probably. Mind you if people thought things through Gary Glitter wouldn't have taken a hard drive chock full of child pornography into PC World for them to fix.

Re: Operation Yewtree
 

Can you believe Cliff Richard is going to prison?

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He has not been arrested, they are just looking for clues. but it would kill christmas if he is charged, everybody sings his x-mas hits.

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Police saying more have come forward since yesterday.

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Well I know from industry insiders that there were a lot of rumours circulating in the eighties. There's no smoke without fire as they say.

Re: Operation Yewtree
 

There is also no guilt without a charge and a trial.

Re: Operation Yewtree
 

Two points to make.

Police can enter properties, if owners are not there - l believe its called a section 18. But needs a senior officers / mags order.

This news is again somthing brought by someone who cannot be named. I cannot beleive it. In fact l would go as far to say - its ********.

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That's why the police invented the word 'suspicion'

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Whilst we're all going on a summer holiday as well

Re: Operation Yewtree
 

In my case they just made it up, and to avoid providing the reason/said evidence of criminality they hid behind a story that it was a reliable informer who would be put at risk if they were exposed.

The bottom line is, it was a PCSO who had uncovered a few small drug operations and got ambitious. He had a hunch, thought 2+2=5 and because he had some previous success his superiors had faith in him. They didn't have any evidence that anything criminal was going on so they fabricate excuses of a reliable informer to obtain the warrant.

The result is a PCSO who no longer covers the whole area although he is still the official listed PCSO for the area, police that on 2 occasions that visit every house in my street following burglaries but mine is the only one they walk past. The said PCSO now crosses the road if he sees my parents, and rushes off in the opposite direction or will not make eye contact if he has to pass me in the street.

The subsequent attitude of Gwent police over the incident means that I now think they are ****, and would walk past if a copper was getting a beating. It's no wonder the public loose faith when this sort of things happen. (Not that I had any faith in the effectiveness of Gwent police before this)

It is evident that the police will lie to obtain a warrant and lie to protect their own when they are in the wrong.

Re: Operation Yewtree
 

Rubbish. Mistakes do happen but it's not like life on mars anymore. I might suggest that there is another side to the story that you haven't given us.

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That says a lot about you that you would ignore someone getting beaten up to satisfy some perverse revenge for a slight.

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To be honest though Derek, if it was someone like Rolf Harris would you walk past? I know I would. I know there is a difference between a cop getting a kicking and a paedophile getting one, but principle is the same.

Re: Operation Yewtree
 

Depends if you believe in justice or vigilantism?

One small step along the road.....

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Then I believe in vigilantism then, as if it was someone like Rolf I would walk past without helping him.

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Unless you have a smoke machine...

Jim Davidson and Freddy Starr had the same rumours spread, but these were not found to have substance.

Re: Operation Yewtree
 

Yes Derek, of course there must be another side to the story. How could I not be guilty of something if the police somehow thought I was. What was clear that when they realised there wasn't any drugs being cultivated in the premises there was signs that they started quickly searching for something else before I arrived. They searched items which I believe they suspected to contain firearms, again not had anything like that since I had an 0.77 air rifle in my teens.:rolleyes:

Remember this was a well organised raid that was held in conjunction with officers also arriving at my parents house. After all, they seemed to think without a shred of evidence that I was 'Mr Big' around here in the drugs business. The bottom line, is that they were so far from the truth (Apart from having one drag on a joint about 12 years ago) I have no involvement with drugs or any other illegal activity.

The only reason the DI could come up with for carrying out the raid was that they had 'sufficient evidence that I was running a large scale drugs operation' and that 'I have a security camera outside my front door'. Then the legal department said the reason they wasn't going to pay compensation was because my back door was barricaded from inside. In reality they are referring to the fact it was well secured with bolts top and bottom to stop intruders, but a bit of a lame excuse to use because they had already started smashing it down before they discovered that. Everything from them was damage limitation as they seem to have a habit of doing this sort of thing around here and getting away with it.

To be fair to him, the DI involved took the time to meet with me and couldn't have been more apologetic about the 'mistake' and said that they realised they had no business being in my property within minutes of forcing entry. He also appeared to try his best to get their legal department to compensate for the damage, It appears that they just didn't want to admit any liability for their incompetence through fear that I would be making a big claim. The reality was I just wanted to be paid for the cost of a door and frame, I wasn't too annoyed with them at the time. I actually had a laugh, and all my close friends thought it unbelievably funny that I could be involved in drugs and annoyed that the police was so incompetent.

The PCSO who had been asking questions around here about me for weeks, immediately disappeared from this area of his beat. Over the period of a few years previously he used to pop into my parents for a cup of tea when on his round, very strange how he is still only seen in the Southern part of this area now. He crosses the road if he sees my parents, has turned around and gone in a different direction when spotting me and couldn't even make eye contact with me as I passed him in the street when he was with a copper. He was obviously hauled over the hot coals, but it was obviously done quietly to save the force embarrassment.

I guess though in the eyes of some I must be guilty because the police thought so, obviously I must be up to something, so what am I leaving out of the story and what do you think I'm hiding then Derek?:rolleyes:

BTW: I have in the past assisted the police, on one occasion I got into a police car to go and assist an officer catch 2 guys who had seriously assaulted someone outside my house. Why the hell would I help hem now after the way I was treated?

Gwent police didn't have the guts to admit 'officially' that they got it wrong, instead they abused their authority to walk over an innocent member of the public. (No matter what you may think Derek)

Re: Operation Yewtree
 

Jeremy Hunt to apologise for misleading parliament over compensation money.

LINK

Taxpayers will dish out the dosh.

BBC - double standards?
 

They sack Tony Blackburn on the basis that evidence he gave to an inquiry fell below the standards expected but have allowed Alan Yentob to retain a typically cosy and suitably well remunerated BBC number in spite of the fact that his behaviour also left a great deal to be desired in so many ways. Odd that eh? :rolleyes:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-35662448
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...nutes-air.html
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/bbc-e...s-6616087.html

Re: BBC - double standards?
 

That report was a waste of money and time. All the senior people get absolved of blame, the minnows get the blame. Sound familiar?

Re: BBC - double standards?
 

Yes it does rather.

Re: BBC - double standards?
 

To say that senior management never knew what was going on for all those years beggars belief in my opinion.

Re: BBC - double standards?
 

Like many a large organisation, the Beeb is infested with greedy self serving senior executives who look after themselves.

Re: BBC - double standards?
 

As a contractor working at the BBC, at White City, in the time that this all happened. All the management are hypocrites.

They blame anyone, to get themselves off the hook. I worked in several departments in 'The Circle' doing Hygiene work.

You knew what you had to keep quiet, and where you could go. And sometimes, you were told to keep away from certain places.

The worst thing was, that when you was in the White City complex. The management would walk round quite smug, and look at you if you were the crap.

I feel for Tony Blackburn. He was a loyal employee for the Beeb.

Yes, he is the scapegoat. Just annoys me that the Beeb are paying part of the compo to that producer.

I believe there is more to this crap, than meets the eye

Re: BBC - double standards?
 

I'd rather feel for what ever is left of the dead girls family and I hope this is just the start

Re: BBC - double standards?
 

It's a damn shame that Tony Blackburn's reputation is being dragged through the mud.

Re: BBC - double standards?
 

I feel sorry for Tony Blackburn as well, but are you referring to that Top Gear producer? If you are, do you not think he deserves something for being attacked at work?

Re: BBC - double standards?
 

If she killed herself purely over what allegedly went on, why did she keep going back there? More likely to be because the diary was discovered and the mother kicked up a fuss over the contents. Doesn't mean the contents were true.

Re: BBC - double standards?
 

From what I've read, Blackburn said she seemed to be a fantasist. If true, then maybe she was going to be exposed as a liar. I don't know, only surmising.

Re: BBC - double standards?
 

Nobody at the Beeb (or anywhere else for that matter) should be beyond scrutiny and punishment but they're not. Some people clearly are fair game to be hung out to dry whilst the upper echelons who turned a blind eye to what was happening largely get away with it, scuttling off to enjoy their bloated perks and pensions.

Re: BBC - double standards?
 

And so it appears to trundle on, nothing has changed and the establishment at the higher levels looks after it's own whether it be the BBC, Parliament, etc. And if people get in the way or try to change the status quo then they will be got rid of!

Re: BBC - double standards?
 

Call me cynical, but I can't be the only one thinking that the "difference of opinion" between Blackburn and the BBC was engineered either to distract attention from a report which seems to suggest a massive management failure at the BBC, or to conveniently get rid of Blackburn for other contractual reasons.

Re: BBC - double standards?
 

Neither (or both) of those suggestions would surprise me.

Re: BBC - double standards?
 

Fish rot from the head downwards.

Those in the top eschelons should be getting dawn raids from plod as well.

Re: BBC - double standards?
 

Darn right she kicked up a fuss and was ignored, fobbed of and lied to pretty much up until the day she died. If people want to lie to enquiry and get sacked over it tough, I hope it goes much further and if people are covering things up they get what's coming to, with a bit of luck it'll lead to actual abusers facing justice

Re: BBC - double standards?
 

You do wonder what actual practical steps the BBC has taken to prevent this kind of thing ever happening again.

It is worrying too that so many of these sexual abuse cases are connected to the BBC and management were supposedly unaware of them.

Re: BBC - double standards?
 

Hopefully they will take future accusations seriously. Let's not pretend this was only an issue at the BBC. Saville seemed to be doing this in institutions across the country, the police didn't seem to follow up on what they did know, even the 'establishment' as as senior politicians and the royals seemed to welcome him into their world.

I think society in general allowed people in positions of power to get away with it. It also seems that society had, maybe still has, a problem with believing victims of sexual assault especially when those victims are from difficult backgrounds or are otherwise 'troubled'. Hell, look at Rotherham.

Watching all these inquiries come in and all the arrests form Yewtree it's weird how society seems to have forgotten that it is culpable to some extent as well. I mean where were the press in going after Saville, Harris and Clifford?

Re: BBC - double standards?
 

Well either a lot of managers weren't doing their jobs properly or they turned a blind eye to some very serious wrongdoing. It's not good either way.

Re: BBC - double standards?
 

Yep, despite feeble attempts to deflect criticism from the bbc, they are massively culpable if not complicit in what has gone on.

Their actions and inactions throughout have been shameful.

Re: Operation Yewtree
 

What a waste of public money for the things we already surmised.

Re: Operation Yewtree
 

Is yewtree still ongoing?

Re: Operation Yewtree
 

Probably, buy under a different name

Re: Operation Yewtree
 

If it is it's probably been called something different since they are probably finding so many working at the BBC alone that are just as bad or close to as bad Savile and Glitter!