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nomadking 03-12-2019 09:25
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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 36019031)
Oh look, another Asian sex gang in court....

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-shropshire-50633181
That's another gang alleged to have been operating in Telford.
Operation Chalice in Telford.
From 2013

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The court ruling marks the end of an investigation into a child prostitution ring in Telford.
As usual, the number facing prosecution bears little relation to the number having alleged to have taken part.

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In evidence, the girl, now an adult, said: "I lost count of how many men I was forced to have sex with."
Don't see many (names chosen purely for illustrative purposes only) Singh, Patel, Wong, Tanaka etc amongst the names.

Taf 06-12-2019 11:51
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https://metro.co.uk/2017/07/30/ringl...loaty.facebook

Russ 06-12-2019 12:03
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I love when people post that 2 year old article without realising he’s back in jail...

Taf 06-12-2019 14:55
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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 36019374)
I love when people post that 2 year old article without realising he’s back in jail...
Yes, but it was to show how many of these animals have been released early.

Taf 18-12-2019 18:38
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Sixteen men including a police officer have been charged with historical sex offences against children aged between 13 and 16.

West Yorkshire PC Amjad Ditta, also known as Amjad Hussain, 35, has been charged with sexual touching.

He and 15 other men are charged with offences against three girls in the Halifax area, dating from 2006 to 2009.
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Vaqaas Abbas, 30, charged with three counts of rape and three offences of supplying a class C drug
Nadeem Adalat, 34, charged with four counts of rape and four counts of supplying a class C drug
Sajid Adalat, 43, charged with rape
Vaseem Adalat, 33, charged with two counts of rape, trafficking and supplying a class C drug
Amjad Ditta, also known as Amjad Hussain, 35, charged with sexual touching
Christopher Eastwood, 45, charged with two counts of rape and two counts of supplying a class C drug
Metab Islam, 46, charged with six counts of rape, six counts of supplying a class C drug, two sexual assaults and conspiracy to pervert the course of justice
Mohammed Rizwan Iqbal, 34, charged with rape
Ishtiaq Latif, 32, charged with sexual activity with a child
Asad Mahmood, 33, charged with two counts of rape and trafficking
Arfan Mir, also known as Khalifa Mughal, 36, charged with six counts of rape, three counts of supplying a class C drug, supply of a class A drug and conspiracy to pervert the course of justice
Younis Mohammed aka Younis Khan, 34, charged with rape and causing a person to engage in sexual activity without consent
Nadeem Nassir, 39, charged with rape, supply of a class C drug and making threats to kill
Shahzad Nawaz, 40, charged with rape, supply of a class C drug and making threats to kill
Shazad Nazir, 44, charged with two counts of rape and two counts of supplying a class C drug
Sohail Zafar, 36, charged with rape and supplying a class C drug
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-50838823

nomadking 18-12-2019 19:07
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Update from Telford
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A fourth man from Telford has been convicted of sexually abusing a vulnerable young girl who was "passed around like a piece of meat".
Three defendants were on Tuesday found guilty of abusing the girl, who said she was forced to perform sex acts in a churchyard and was raped above a shop.
...
The victim said she was assaulted by other as-yet unidentified males, with the abuse continuing until she was in her mid-teens.
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An independent inquiry is ongoing into child sexual exploitation (CSE) in Telford, after claims thousands of girls may have been abused in the town since the 1980s.
Given that the 2001 census data for Telford and Wrekin says only 2,030 people were identified as Muslim, you have to ask how many Muslim men weren't taking part.:shocked::mad:

Taf 10-12-2020 19:22
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Another group found, and there's one of them who is not like the others.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-offences.html

nomadking 10-12-2020 19:53
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Originally Posted by Taf (Post 36061728)
Another group found, and there's one of them who is not like the others.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-offences.html
One out of 32 people in this case, one out of hundreds(probably thousands) overall.
One offence out of more than 150 in this case.
Not a huge proportion is it?:rolleyes:

I want to know how these gangs can so easily form and get together, when it is portrayed as being much more difficult for a non-Muslims to form such a group.

Looks like a connection with a case of 4 years ago. One of them is meant to be currently serving a 13 year sentence.
Link
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A gang of "devious and manipulative" men who raped, trafficked and groomed two teenage girls has been jailed.
Ismail Haji, 39, his brother Imran, 36, Ibrahim Kola, 36, and Mohammed Chothia, 37, all from the Kirklees area of West Yorkshire, were convicted at Leeds Crown Court of various sex offences.

Mad Max 10-12-2020 20:27
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Originally Posted by Taf (Post 36061728)
Another group found, and there's one of them who is not like the others.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-offences.html
Hang them.

Paul 10-12-2020 23:00
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Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 36061751)
Hang them.
They havent been found guilty yet. :erm:

nomadking 10-12-2020 23:16
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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36061777)
They havent been found guilty yet. :erm:
One of them has been, 4 years ago for similar offences.

Mad Max 11-12-2020 00:31
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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36061780)
One of them has been, 4 years ago for similar offences.

Hang him.

Sephiroth 11-12-2020 09:56
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Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 36061787)
Hang him.
... by the nainonicles.

Russ 11-12-2020 13:27
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I saw a discussion on Twitter about this yesterday where someone pointed out that 80% of these gangs are made up of Asian men, somebody else’s replied saying “No, the common denominator is it always seem to be based in Yorkshire. It’s nothing to do with race”.

Absolute madness.

Mad Max 11-12-2020 13:42
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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 36061857)
I saw a discussion on Twitter about this yesterday where someone pointed out that 80% of these gangs are made up of Asian men, somebody else’s replied saying “No, the common denominator is it always seem to be based in Yorkshire. It’s nothing to do with race”.

Absolute madness.
Utter bollox.

nomadking 11-12-2020 13:45
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ (Post 36061857)
I saw a discussion on Twitter about this yesterday where someone pointed out that 80% of these gangs are made up of Asian men, somebody else’s replied saying “No, the common denominator is it always seem to be based in Yorkshire. It’s nothing to do with race”.

Absolute madness.
80%?:confused: Much more than that, especially if you include the hundreds of others who were not identified and prosecuted.
And whereabouts in Yorkshire are these places?

Rochdale, Heywood, Carlisle, Preston, Oldham, Oxford, High Wycombe, Blackpool, Telford, Burnley, Leicester, Newcastle, Peterborough, Derby, Aylesbury, Banbury, Middlesbrough,etc?
Plus areas they were trafficked to, eg Birmingham.


These gangs can't really be considered paedophile gangs. The age of the girls is more to do with being able to entice them into the situation and control them with alcohol, drugs, and violence.

Russ 11-12-2020 19:11
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It’s 84%

nomadking 11-12-2020 19:20
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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 36061931)
It’s 84%
Really, where's that from, and how out of date is it. Does it include the hundreds or thousands of "customers", the girls were trafficked out to?

Russ 11-12-2020 19:32
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3 years ago

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...01941.html?amp

nomadking 11-12-2020 19:57
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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 36061938)
So out of date, and only based upon convictions, ie doesn't include the hundreds or thousands of others included in the Muslim sex gang activities.

Also (deliberately?) muddying the waters is putting 2 distinct groups together.

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It says in “Type 1” offenders work in groups such as grooming gangs to target victims based on vulnerability, while “Type 2” offenders form paedophile rings to carry out abuse because of a specific sexual interest in children.
The people in the non-Muslim gangs tend to be spread widely across country, and find difficulty in forming. Eg How do they know they can trust somebody?
The Muslim gangs simply seem to be able to ask the person next to them. How is that not scary beyond belief?

Russ 11-12-2020 20:01
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Yep whatever.

nomadking 11-12-2020 21:37
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Telford (town of 170,000)
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An investigation has claimed up to 1,000 children could have suffered in "Britain’s worst known abuse scandal" over the last 40 years - where sex gangs allegedly targeted girls as young as 11.

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A police investigation called *Operation Chalice identified more than 100 potential victims abused between 2007 and 2009.
Cops also said there could be as many as 200 perpetrators – but just nine were caged and the case was then closed.
191 people missing from the crime statistics.
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March 2018 The Sunday Mirror reveals there could be up to 1,000 victims of the scandal and links five deaths to the abuse.
All that in one town. As somebody in a documentary said, if you haven't cases in a town, you haven't looked.
Police were touring the takeaways at night to warn young girls.
It isn't just White girls they targeted.
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Programme shown in the UK on BBC TV's 'Network East' in 1988 - report entitled 'Gang Warfare In Birmingham' - about Sikh girls and Indian girls in Birmingham,UK being targeted by Pakistani-Muslim sex gangs and attempts by the Sikh organisation 'Shere Panjab' to protect Sikh and Indian girls..............

Pierre 11-12-2020 22:12
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ (Post 36061857)
I saw a discussion on Twitter about this yesterday where someone pointed out that 80% of these gangs are made up of Asian men, somebody else’s replied saying “No, the common denominator is it always seem to be based in Yorkshire. It’s nothing to do with race”.

Absolute madness.
That quaint Yorkshire town of Rochdale............

mrmistoffelees 16-12-2020 10:19
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https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-office-report

Nazir Afzal, the former chief crown prosecutor in the north-west, who brought prosecutions over the Rochdale grooming gangs, welcomed the report. “It confirms that white men remain the most common offenders, which is something rarely mentioned by rightwing commentators,” he said.

“However, it is not shy in reflecting that south Asian and British Pakistani men are disproportionately found in high-profile cases.

nomadking 16-12-2020 11:28
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What else could be expected when you redefine terms.
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The broad definition of child sexual exploitation in gangs and groups is this:
1) gang – mainly comprising men and boys aged 13 – 25 years old, who take part in many forms of
criminal activity, such as knife crime or robbery, who can engage in violence against other gangs,
and who have identifiable markers such as territory, a name, sometimes clothing etc. While
children can be sexually exploited by a gang, this is not the reason why a gang is formed.
2) By contrast, child sexual exploitation by a group involves people who come together in person
or online for the purpose of setting up, co-ordinating and/or taking part in the sexual exploitation
of children in either an organised or opportunistic way.
...
Definition of ‘gangs’ and ‘groups’
This Inquiry is not intended to cover all models of child sexual exploitation. It focuses specifically
on child sexual exploitation linked to gangs and groups (CSEGG). The full definitions for gangs and
groups that have been used in the Inquiry are as follows:
1) Gang: A relatively durable, predominantly street-based, social group of children, young
people and, not infrequently, young adults who see themselves, and are seen by others,
as affiliates of a discrete, named group who (1) engage in a range of criminal activity and
violence, (2) identify or lay claim to territory, (3) have some form of identifying structural
feature, and (4) are in conflict with similar groups.
2) Group: Two or more people of any age, connected through formal or informal associations
or networks, including, but not exclusive to, friendship groups.
If you're going to define a "gang" as mainly being 13-25 years old, then of course the age is going to be under 30.:rolleyes:

The "Asian gangs" come under that "group" heading and are very distinct from that definition of "gang". Again, using "Two or more people" as a measure widens the criteria, that is well outside these "Asian gangs".


Don't see how you can equate 2 paedophiles that perhaps met in prison, having just one victim, with a "gang" of 8 people with dozens of victims that are trafficked out to dozens of men. The two are not remotely similar.

The nearest non-"Asian" connection seems to be:-
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Operation Lenten in North Wales started in 2014, following concerns raised by Flintshire Justice Service and Social Services about children going missing and being picked up by vans.
Offenders were known to the police for crimes such as fraud, burglary, and vehicle offences, but not for child sexual abuse and exploitation. Offenders were from a White Traveller background and in contrast to other operations we looked at, offender networks were described by law enforcement partners as tight-knit, and offending as organised rather than opportunistic.
Whilst the base studies. the report is based upon covers a very wide range of situations, it cannot be used as a whole to make these specific comparisons.

mrmistoffelees 16-12-2020 14:48
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So in effect you're saying that Nazir & Pritti are wrong? Is that correct?

Carth 16-12-2020 15:15
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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36062451)
So in effect you're saying that Nazir & Pritti are wrong? Is that correct?

I think what he's saying is that the 'definitions' of certain criteria are so widespread that you could interpret it any way you want in order to 'prove' what you're saying . . as is usually the case :p:

nomadking 16-12-2020 15:20
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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36062451)
So in effect you're saying that Nazir & Pritti are wrong? Is that correct?
It's yet another report that has been misapplied.
Not long ago another report on gun crime came out. Yet again it was misused. The term "gun crime" covers an awful lot, ranging from marginally unsafe storage of validly registered shotguns to ownership and use to kill, in connection with several fully automatic weapons. Hardly the same are they? Yet they were conveniently lumped together to dilute the number of those responsible for the more serious gun crimes.
This misuse of reports and studies has been happening for some time. They widen the scope of definitions to include as many people as possible when there actually distinct groups.

A classic example is use of the term BAME, to avoid separating out the distinct parts of that group. Use in this context of the term "Asian" is also misleading, not many Sikhs, Hindus, Chinese, Japanese etc, involved.

Damien 16-12-2020 15:57
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You would expect the majority of offenders to be white in a country that is 90% white.

If you read the report (or skim it) they don't make any real other insights into if one group is overrepresented due to poor data collection.

Still, I think this is better than basing your impression on media reports.

Pierre 12-05-2021 22:38
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http://news.sky.com/story/calderdale...ictim-12304695

I don’t know if this is a new one or a re-reporting of an existing one. I live in Calderdale so think I would have known about it.

Anyway, same old same old.

I wonder if those gentlemen that demonstrated outside Batley Grammar schools so passionately about the effect of their children being exposed to pictures of Mohammed will do so for a child raped by the worshippers of Mohammed?*


* that is an assumption on my part, but I expect to be accurate.

Julian 12-05-2021 22:39
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IT CONTINUES :(

Mad Max 13-05-2021 15:50
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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36079319)
http://news.sky.com/story/calderdale...ictim-12304695

I don’t know if this is a new one or a re-reporting of an existing one. I live in Calderdale so think I would have known about it.

Anyway, same old same old.

I wonder if those gentlemen that demonstrated outside Batley Grammar schools so passionately about the effect of their children being exposed to pictures of Mohammed will do so for a child raped by the worshippers of Mohammed?*


* that is an assumption on my part, but I expect to be accurate.

:clap::clap:

Russ 14-05-2021 02:29
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36062464)
You would expect the majority of offenders to be white in a country that is 90% white.

If you read the report (or skim it) they don't make any real other insights into if one group is overrepresented due to poor data collection.

Still, I think this is better than basing your impression on media reports.
I think an easy way to demonstrate this is to do a Google search for "Grooming gang in court" and see how many pages you need to go back through before you find such a gang made up of predominantly white men.

You're kind of left with 2 possible scenarios: that Google is involved in a wide-scale conspiracy to ensure only Asian-based gangs show highest in the rankings, or that the overwhelming number of these grooming gangs involve Asian-heritage men.

nomadking 14-05-2021 08:38
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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 36079389)
I think an easy way to demonstrate this is to do a Google search for "Grooming gang in court" and see how many pages you need to go back through before you find such a gang made up of predominantly white men.

You're kind of left with 2 possible scenarios: that Google is involved in a wide-scale conspiracy to ensure only Asian-based gangs show highest in the rankings, or that the overwhelming number of these grooming gangs involve Asian-heritage men.
"Asian"? How many Japanese, Chinese, Russian, Mongolian, Korean, etc are involved? The common factor isn't being "Asian".


As the somebody in a documentary a while back said, "If you haven't found a similar gang in a town, you haven't looked".

Russ 14-05-2021 08:42
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It’s because I find it easier to type “Asian” than “Indian/Pakistani/Bangladeshi” etc.

nomadking 14-05-2021 09:31
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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 36079394)
It’s because I find it easier to type “Asian” than “Indian/Pakistani/Bangladeshi” etc.
How is a six letter word more difficult than a five letter one?:confused:
Whereabouts in Asia, is Somalia?
Link
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Thirteen men have been convicted of a string of child sex crimes in Bristol involving the abuse, rape and prostitution of teenage girls.
Bristol Crown Court heard one victim, aged 16, was assaulted by five Somali men after she was moved to the city while in the care of another authority.
Her 14-year-old sister was raped by a member of the gang while visiting her.
The inquiry led to police uncovering another gang of Somali origin who had been abusing four other girls.
The four teenagers were paid £30 or given drugs, alcohol and gifts to perform sex acts on older men from the Somali community.
In this case, 2 of the men are clearly Sikh, but 7 of the 20 are called Mohammed, with others having a Muslim aspect to their name.
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A gang of men who embarked on a “campaign of rape and other sexual abuse” against vulnerable teenage girls in Huddersfield has been given lengthy jail sentences, it can now be reported.
Ringleader Amere Singh Dhaliwal, 35, was jailed for life earlier this year and told he must serve a minimum of 18 years in prison by a judge who said: “Your treatment of these girls was inhuman.”
It is Islam that binds the group, and gives it a form of internal protection, in that they are unlikely to report it.

Couple of months ago.
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A new police unit to investigate child sex grooming gangs in Greater Manchester has already identified more than 800 offenders.
It is running three major investigations into historic abuse of young girls in Manchester and Rochdale.
...
Across the force there are now 70 investigations which involve multiple victims of child sexual exploitation.
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After the death of Victoria Agoglia, aged 15, in 2003, Augusta, was set up to see if there was a wider issue of child sexual exploitation in south Manchester. Victoria was sexually abused and injected with heroin.
Officers managed to identify a network of nearly 100 men potentially involved in the abuse of scores of girls via takeaways in and around Rusholme, but Augusta was shut down shortly afterwards due to resources, ‘rather than a sound understanding’ of whether lines of inquiry had been exhausted.
So you have a death and 100 criminals and a lack of resources was the problem? 2003 was 5 years before 2008.
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A second investigation which the new CSE Unit is handling is Operation Green Jacket. It was launched in May 2019 as a response to the flawed Operation Augusta.
...
Operation Green Jacket has assessed 122 victims - 82 of whom have declared themselves as victims. It has identified 124 perpetrators of whom eight have been arrested as suspects.
Of the eight arrested four relate the case of Victoria Agoglia.
8 arrests out of 124 identified perpetrators.

Hugh 14-05-2021 09:39
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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36079393)
"Asian"? How many Japanese, Chinese, Russian, Mongolian, Korean, etc are involved? The common factor isn't being "Asian".


As the somebody in a documentary a while back said, "If you haven't found a similar gang in a town, you haven't looked".
https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures..../ethnic-groups
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1. List of ethnic groups

Asian or Asian British
Indian
Pakistani
Bangladeshi
Chinese
Any other Asian background

Russ 14-05-2021 09:44
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Quote:
Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36079405)
How is a six letter word more difficult than a five letter one?:confused:
Whereabouts in Asia, is Somalia?
Link

In this case, 2 of the men are clearly Sikh, but 7 of the 20 are called Mohammed, with others having a Muslim aspect to their name.

It is Islam that binds the group, and gives it a form of internal protection, in that they are unlikely to report it.

Couple of months ago.

So you have a death and 100 criminals and a lack of resources was the problem? 2003 was 5 years before 2008.
8 arrests out of 124 identified perpetrators.
(Sigh)

When I used to live in Leicester there were a lot of rumoured grooming gangs. These gangs were made up of Indian men as well as Bangladeshi and Pakistani.

Now call me lazy if you wish but I find it easier to just say "Asian" that say all those nationalities in one sentence.

nomadking 14-05-2021 09:55
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36079408)
But if eg a particular set of people were overwhelmingly Italian, you wouldn't try to describe them as European. Where somebody would do that is to obscure the truth.
Link

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Almost universally, the one word all the papers avoid is “Muslim”. But that’s what this gang is, not “Asian”: of the gang of seven only five were of Pakistani origin: the other two were variously described as being from Eritrea or North Africa. What do these very different parts of the world have in common? Simply that they are Muslim: it’s a religious problem we have here, not a racial one: the gang were not all of the same race. My point was made for me, in effect by Julie Siddiqui, of the Islamic Society of Britain and co-founder of the Community Alliance Against Sexual Exploitation, whose comment on the verdicts was that “The damage these men have done and evil they have wrought will last a lifetime for their victims which can never be fully healed. The men and those who sheltered them must now examine their consciences as they reflect on the terrible nature of their crimes. It is imperative that there is no hiding place for abuse or abusers within any of our communities.” That word “our’” means “Muslim”: it doesn’t mean “Asian”. If you go to the part of Cowley around which most of the relatively small Islamic community in Oxford has settled, you can see in front of you what holds them all — Pakistanis, Bangladeshis, Eritreans, Somalians – together: it’s the mosque, a handsome building, complete with dome and minaret, on the Cowley Road.
As I have to keep pointing out:mad:, the number of those convicted are just the tip of the iceberg.

Hugh 14-05-2021 10:14
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Amusing that you quote the Catholic Herald when commenting on child grooming

Mad Max 14-05-2021 15:58
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36079413)
Amusing that you quote the Catholic Herald when commenting on child grooming
Good point.

Taf 16-07-2021 18:59
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3 more convicted.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...g-girl-12.html

Pierre 30-07-2021 21:39
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More of the same, best guess names involved will be more Khan than Smith?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-58030849

Mr K 30-07-2021 21:46
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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36088042)
More of the same, best guess names involved will be more Khan than Smith?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-58030849
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Nearly 90% of those convicted of wider child abuse offences and on the sex offenders register are white men.
https://fullfact.org/crime/what-do-w...inst-children/

Pierre 30-07-2021 22:06
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36088045)
So when the names of these are reported you are confident they will be white males with English/European names?

Do you fancy a wager?

Sephiroth 30-07-2021 22:12
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The fullfact report, and possibly Mr K have conflated child sex offences in
general with the specific child grooming gangs. That is misleading and prolly driven by wokeism.

Mr K 30-07-2021 22:30
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36088048)
So when the names of these are reported you are confident they will be white males with English/European names?

Do you fancy a wager?
The names don't necessarily mean anything these days. Whoever are guilty should be punished.

However the full fact report is an 'inconvenient truth' about sex offences.

nomadking 30-07-2021 23:02
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36088045)
The thread is titled "child grooming gang.....", not individuals.:rolleyes:
Yet again I have to point out that in these sort of cases the girls are trafficked around to others around the country, who don't end up in the convicted column, because they are not full identified. So even if you include individuals, then the gang figures multiply up and will even be higher than the lone White individuals.
Eg Nine convictions, but several times that involved and NOT in any figures.

Link

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One teenager told the jury she was forced to have sex with 20 men in one night.
Link

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She said: "I was taken to Birmingham a lot - for three years I was repeatedly missing. There were hundreds of men involved in Birmingham.
"They brought lots of girls from Derby to Birmingham - men from Birmingham would pick us up - and men from Derby would take us to Birmingham.

Pierre 30-07-2021 23:05
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36088051)
The names don't necessarily mean anything these days. Whoever are guilty should be punished.

However the full fact report is an 'inconvenient truth' about sex offences.
So you are confident that these 40 people will be 40 John smiths as opposed to 40 Mo Khans?

Can you please confirm?

Mr K 30-07-2021 23:24
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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36088057)
So you are confident that these 40 people will be 40 John smiths as opposed to 40 Mo Khans?

Can you please confirm?
I haven't a clue, but you seem to be confident it must be 'Mr Khan'. It might be, as long as you are equally outraged by the 90% of sex offences that are committed by white men.

Sephiroth 30-07-2021 23:31
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Mr Khan? Mr K? Nah.

Pierre 31-07-2021 00:19
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36088060)
I haven't a clue,
Really? But you immediately posted that most child abusers are white, so I assume you think that grooming gang will be mostly white, why else counter the original post? I suggested that most likely they will be of sub-continent decent, by the name suggestion and you immediately countered. So what do you really believe? When the names are released, as has happened many times in the past few years. We’re you just trying to excuse this , now very well known pattern, of Asian ( sub-continent) grooming gangs as some kind of racism?

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but you seem to be confident it must be 'Mr Khan'.
I’m very confident, more than happy to be wrong, but doubt I am. Do you think I’m wrong?

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as long as you are equally outraged by the 90% of sex offences that are committed by white men.
Of course, but your desire to deflect criticism away from an obvious issue with a particular social group is one of the very reasons why the Left is disappearing up it’s own ********, they can’t see the hypocrisy and ambiguity in their own arguments.

Your immediate stance of defence and whataboutism on this is appalling.

Maggy 31-07-2021 09:16
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Birds of a feather flock together..and race may play a part but not the only part.

nomadking 31-07-2021 12:39
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Originally Posted by Maggy (Post 36088070)
Birds of a feather flock together..and race may play a part but not the only part.
They've haven't "flocked" together, they often already knew each other, eg relatives, same workplace, living on same street, going to same mosque. They were not individuals, who with great difficulty found others with the same attitudes.
Not sure it has too much to do with the age of the girls(ie paedophilia), but more to do with availability and controlling with alcohol and drugs, along with threats and use of violence. Using them for sex is one thing, but the other aspects of trafficking, use of alcohol and drugs, and threats and use of violence, take things to another level completely.
To be able to easily find other "birds" who were prepared to treat the girls in that way(outside of having sex with them), suggests something innate in that breed of "birds".
In general people would likely to be unable to find acquaintances that they could risk asking to join them in illegal activities. The risk of being reported to police would be very high.


Perhaps it's being withheld to assist investigators, but I haven't seen any indication of how the separate groups in separate parts of the country found each other. These cases tend to have happened a long time ago, before the level of social media it is today, and in some cases before the internet.

Russ 31-07-2021 12:40
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36088060)
I haven't a clue, but you seem to be confident it must be 'Mr Khan'. It might be, as long as you are equally outraged by the 90% of sex offences that are committed by white men.
This has been discussed loads of times, I thought we were long past this now.

“Lone wolf” sex attackers can rightly be any race or colour.

But grooming gangs are almost always exclusively Asian. Only those who chose to be blind can deny that.

Sephiroth 31-07-2021 12:45
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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 36088084)
This has been discussed loads of times, I thought we were long past this now.

“Lone wolf” sex attackers can rightly be any race or colour.

But grooming gangs are almost always exclusively Asian. Only those who chose to be blind can deny that.
Asian: Including Chinese? Indians? Malays? Kazakhs? etc?

Russ 31-07-2021 12:46
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36088087)
Asian: Including Chinese? Indians? Malays? Kazakhs? etc?
I’ve not personally done any background checks on them but who knows, perhaps.

Sephiroth 31-07-2021 12:51
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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 36088088)
I’ve not personally done any background checks on them but who knows, perhaps.
Or were you trying to stay on the PC side of the discussion?
I think that Pierre has it right.

Russ 31-07-2021 12:54
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36088089)
Or were you trying to stay on the PC side of the discussion?
I think that Pierre has it right.
Anyone who knows me knows I’m not PC.

They might be Indian, Pakistani, Sri Lanken, Bangladeshi etc.

I’m not PC but what I am is lazy, and I find it easier to type “Asian” than all those nationalities.

Sephiroth 31-07-2021 13:00
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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 36088091)
Anyone who knows me knows I’m not PC.

They might be Indian, Pakistani, Sri Lanken, Bangladeshi etc.

I’m not PC but what I am is lazy, and I find it easier to type “Asian” than all those nationalities.
Fair enough.

nomadking 31-07-2021 13:31
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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 36088091)
Anyone who knows me knows I’m not PC.

They might be Indian, Pakistani, Sri Lanken, Bangladeshi etc.

I’m not PC but what I am is lazy, and I find it easier to type “Asian” than all those nationalities.
The common link is Islam. Islam is the binding factor. There have been cases of gangs whose origins are geographically outside Asia, eg Somalia. Not many non-Muslims are involved in these gangs, so not many from Sri Lanka, Japan.

Gangs with origins such as Albania, China, Cambodia, Ukraine, etc tend to be money-making exercises, and the gangs have formed beforehand.

Russ 04-08-2021 12:09
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https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-leeds-58084134

I wonder if the names will be Jones, Smith, Williams etc

Sephiroth 04-08-2021 12:15
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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 36088440)
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-leeds-58084134

I wonder if the names will be Jones, Smith, Williams etc

It surprised me too!

https://www.thetelegraphandargus.co....mmon-surnames/

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10 of West Yorkshire's most common surnames

Smith- 27,190.
Hussain- 13,357.
Taylor- 12,866.
Wilson- 11,085.
Khan- 10,927.
Walker- 10,692.
Brown- 10,651.
Wood- 10,525.

Russ 04-08-2021 12:23
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Who said I was surprised? I think you’ll find it was quite the opposite.

RichardCoulter 04-08-2021 13:15
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Just been said on the BBC One O'clock news that a further 19 men from Bradford have been arrested for historic child sex abuse offences between 2000 and 2005 against one girl. They are aged between 36 and 55.

Looks like they passed her around. No details of their race/religion were given.

From 0:25:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000yhwx

Russ 04-08-2021 13:21
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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 36088440)
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-leeds-58084134

I wonder if the names will be Jones, Smith, Williams etc
*cough*

TheDaddy 04-08-2021 17:43
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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 36088458)
*cough*
Is that a new and persistent cough Russ :Yikes:

No it's the same one people have been ignoring for years for fear of upsetting community relations

Mad Max 05-08-2021 20:51
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Hanging would be too good for them.


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