Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35684544)

Bottom line is we don't want a currency union with Scotland. Doesn't matter if it may or may not work. We don't, and won't have it.

Originally Posted by Mr Angry (Post 35684547)

Which is exactly what I said here.

"It's not a matter of it not being "doable" but more the fact that there is no will to do it"

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35684551)

Well that's all right then...........carry on!

Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 35684447)

How many more declarations need to be made before it is fully understood that voting yes means no pound this is getting farcical and is just dragging the whole debate totally off other issues which might be what the SNP want. It isn't just about getting independence it's about being credible if you get it which I doubt many believe the SNP are which is hardly going to get others to give salmond the sweetheart deals he has promised the Scottish people. This whole thing is making Scotland look a bit of a joke not what the Scottish people need.

Originally Posted by Jimi (Post 35684563)

I think we ALL know who the real jokers are,don't we.
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Originally Posted by Jimi (Post 35684563)

I think we ALL know who the real jokers are,don't we.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...ps70de4d2f.jpg

Originally Posted by Mr Pharmacist (Post 35684574)

What we'll hear next is "We'll do another deal. You let us keep the £ and we'll bin independence" :p: http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/at...1&d=1396168899

Originally Posted by Jimi (Post 35684563)

I think we ALL know who the real jokers are,don't we.

Originally Posted by Top banana (Post 35684573)

We certainly do Jimi! Funny that the GOVERNMENT say different to that paper. Wonder which one is telling the truth.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...itics-26477209

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35684628)

The Nats had better hope its the government. Because if it's "the minister", the Pound comes with some nuclear warhead-shaped strings attached.

Alec will get lynched if the hardcore seps start to believe he'll do a deal to keep Trident on the Clyde.

Originally Posted by Mr Angry (Post 35684634)

He's denying (no surprise there) there's any deal to be done over the nukes.

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35684639)

If there is a Yes vote the negotiations are going to be horrible.

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35684922)

The Government should pass a law that states any sharing of Sterling will require a referendum. Salmond will have a job trying to explain how Sterling will be shared then.

Originally Posted by Jimi (Post 35685110)

I think the background colour tells its own story Stephen.

Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 35685114)

I do know where its from, but its always good to name a source:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35685171)

The Telegraph seems to have the solution to Scotland's currency crisis:

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2014/04/59.jpg

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...ound-coin.html

:D

Originally Posted by Derek (Post 35685188)

In preparation for a yes vote the SBC has released their first TV schedule for an independent Scotland.

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2014/04/60.jpg

Originally Posted by Mr Pharmacist (Post 35685932)

Keith Morroni, a global transport consultant, explains the 'spiral interchange' method of crossing from a country which drives on the left to one that drives on the right. As part of post-independence planning, some nationalists have also begun a programme to replace all of Scotland's road signs http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/v...deo?CMP=twt_gu :D

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35684204)

This is so brain dead it's beyond parody.

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35685915)

I like Eddie Izzard. Why can't he come to London to do the show!? Honestly, all these Scotland-centric events that take place in Scotland, instead of London, are a joke.

Originally Posted by Stuart (Post 35685936)

A couple of other things to note:

1. Putin seems to be doing a good job of effectively annexing the old Soviet states, so probably not a good idea to rely on them for evidence.
2. A lot of the countries shown are part of Europe. How truly independant are they?

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35685989)

Even the Scots are bullying Scotland now!

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35685989)

Even the Scots are bullying Scotland now!

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35686381)

Strangely enough, only the results for the headline question have been released, and the rest will be released tomorrow - I don't know if it's connected, but this is the same polling company that gives consistently higher (than the other polling organisations) results for the yes vote, and whose questioning methodology was queried on its previous poll by having two very, how can I put it, 'leading*" questions before the main question.

Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 35686814)

Ok I watched and read the comments, however what's your point?

Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 35686814)

Ok I watched and read the comments, however what's your point?

Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35686865)

He never has a point :LOL:

Originally Posted by Jimi (Post 35687106)

The SNP don't have any problems.

Originally Posted by Jimi (Post 35687106)

The SNP don't have any problems.

Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 35687135)

If they vote to leave and it all goes wrong tough luck on coming back to the UK and why should we as soon as everything gets sorted no doubt at high cost to the UK they will kick off again. No you want out and vote for it your stuck with it come what may.

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35687199)

Just come back from a few days in Glasgow, And just like my few days in Edinburgh in Feb, all taxi drivers say........no.

( this is not a scientific poll)

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35687217)

What we have is the one polling organ favoured by Nats consistently showing a higher %age for Yes than any other poll, and a tacit admission that its sample has been skewed by its decision to close to new members a few weeks ago - I will find a link for that news story in the morning.

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35687710)

I think the Yes inclination has probably got as high as it's going to. The Daily Record/Survation poll quoted by the Graun shows a slight drop for Yes, the only polling organisation that shows steady or rising support for Yes is coincidentally the same one used by Yes Scotland, the SNP and Wings Over Scotland. Anyone who can spot what those three have in common, answers on a postcard please.

Meanwhile the Better Together camp is sticking to its plan, no matters how much the
Nats want everyone to believe they're panicking. They have got all the bad news out early, on the basis that when a family stops fighting, the facts they were fighting over are still facts. Come referendum day the arguments over the currency and the EU will have given way to cold, hard uncertainty over the consequences of a Yes vote for the currency everyone grew up with and nobody wants to lose. And, they haven't actually embarked on their own national campaign yet. So far, the UK Gov has done its bit, the EU has done its bit, but BT is yet to launch its full-on charm offensive. That gets underway after the European elections, much closer to the actual referendum, when it will matter.

Let's not forget, there has never been a settled majority in favour of separatism in Scotland, the SNP did not win an outright majority at the Holyrood elections in 2011, and the deliberate feeding of unremittingly negative messages into the campaign by the No camp has not resulted in the sort of mass movement against the UK that the seps predicted and are still desperately hoping for.

Once Better Together really gets started, and shows the seps off for the narrow minded, insular, reckless lot they are, they will be sunk.

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I think the Yes inclination has probably got as high as it's going to. The Daily Record/Survation poll quoted by the Graun shows a slight drop for Yes, the only polling organisation that shows steady or rising support for Yes is coincidentally the same one used by Yes Scotland, the SNP and Wings Over Scotland. Anyone who can spot what those three have in common, answers on a postcard please.

Meanwhile the Better Together camp is sticking to its plan, no matters how much the
Nats want everyone to believe they're panicking. They have got all the bad news out early, on the basis that when a family stops fighting, the facts they were fighting over are still facts. Come referendum day the arguments over the currency and the EU will have given way to cold, hard uncertainty over the consequences of a Yes vote for the currency everyone grew up with and nobody wants to lose. And, they haven't actually embarked on their own national campaign yet. So far, the UK Gov has done its bit, the EU has done its bit, but BT is yet to launch its full-on charm offensive. That gets underway after the European elections, much closer to the actual referendum, when it will matter.

Let's not forget, there has never been a settled majority in favour of separatism in Scotland, the SNP did not win an outright majority at the Holyrood elections in 2011, and the deliberate feeding of unremittingly negative messages into the campaign by the No camp has not resulted in the sort of mass movement against the UK that the seps predicted and are still desperately hoping for.

Once Better Together really gets started, and shows the seps off for the narrow minded, insular, reckless lot they are, they will be sunk.

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35687710)

I think the Yes inclination has probably got as high as it's going to. The Daily Record/Survation poll quoted by the Graun shows a slight drop for Yes, the only polling organisation that shows steady or rising support for Yes is coincidentally the same one used by Yes Scotland, the SNP and Wings Over Scotland. Anyone who can spot what those three have in common, answers on a postcard please.

Meanwhile the Better Together camp is sticking to its plan, no matters how much the
Nats want everyone to believe they're panicking. They have got all the bad news out early, on the basis that when a family stops fighting, the facts they were fighting over are still facts. Come referendum day the arguments over the currency and the EU will have given way to cold, hard uncertainty over the consequences of a Yes vote for the currency everyone grew up with and nobody wants to lose. And, they haven't actually embarked on their own national campaign yet. So far, the UK Gov has done its bit, the EU has done its bit, but BT is yet to launch its full-on charm offensive. That gets underway after the European elections, much closer to the actual referendum, when it will matter.

Let's not forget, there has never been a settled majority in favour of separatism in Scotland, the SNP did not win an outright majority at the Holyrood elections in 2011, and the deliberate feeding of unremittingly negative messages into the campaign by the No camp has not resulted in the sort of mass movement against the UK that the seps predicted and are still desperately hoping for.

Once Better Together really gets started, and shows the seps off for the narrow minded, insular, reckless lot they are, the seps will be sunk.

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35687707)

Recent opinion Polls haven't shown an increase in support for the Yes vote:

http://blog.whatscotlandthinks.org/2...gress-stalled/

I am also not really sure what's going on with The Guardian's recent set of stories where some unnamed source adds something to the debate. The last story didn't take off precisely because the minister who said the Currency Union happened didn't show their face so we had no way of knowing if they were credible or not. Also the 'diplomatic corps' don't have a say nor are they psephologists.....

Originally Posted by Mr Angry (Post 35687718)

Damien, I'm merely linking to reports covering poll results. Anyone can argue with the results but we cannot, reasonably, deny them. Prof Curtice himself merely proffers his opinion on the poll results he does not deny an increase.

I too am somewhat perplexed by the nature of recent stories which have appeared in the Guardian (hence "Drip, drip, drip).

That said, you don't have to be a psephologist just to have an opinion.

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35687719)

Opinions/Anecdotal evidence are not the plural of facts.... ;)

Originally Posted by Mr Angry (Post 35687718)

Damien, I'm merely linking to reports covering poll results. Anyone can argue with the results but we cannot, reasonably, deny them. Prof Curtice himself merely proffers his opinion on the poll results he does not deny an increase.

I too am somewhat perplexed by the nature of recent stories which have appeared in the Guardian (hence "Drip, drip, drip").

That said, you don't have to be a psephologist just to have an opinion.

Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35687714)

When are they going to get started?

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35687721)

You don't but the results do not show an increase in Yes. It appears to have stabilised. However I would suggest that an opinion that Yes is gaining is simply incorrect as the polls have not moved in their direction. I am not arguing with the results. The numbers are there. Yes has not gained in the last few polls.

Originally Posted by Derek (Post 35687786)

How come all the people with positive things to say about the yes campaign want to keep their identity secret?

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35687894)

I think he's getting excited about the 5-point gap between Yes and No.

However, I say again, Panelbase's panel base was compromised late last year by a cybernat mass sign-up campaign. They are the only polling organisation used by nationalists and they are the only polling organisation that shows Yes support at this level.

A far more reliable poll would be the Survation/Daily Record poll also issued this week which puts Yes on 37, 10 points behind No on 47. That poll also shows a statistically significant 4-point drop in support for Yes amongst women, possibly as a result of the SNP's child care policy blowing up in Eck's face when someone pointed out there aren't enough working women in Scotland to pay for it.

Originally Posted by Jimi (Post 35687911)

Forget the polls,you guys know the score,no matter how much you run down the SNP,they will win the day,the BT guys are in a sweat,they know they are being pilloried day in,day out,come polling day we will totally wipe the floor with BT.

Originally Posted by Jimi (Post 35687925)

AS does not dislike the English,a total fallacy.