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Maggy 11-08-2011 08:11
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According to Bloomberg this morning, today is the deadline for James Murdoch to return and face Parliament..

Cannot find anything about this anywhere else however.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/11/bu...news-corp.html

Quote:
While defending his company as it faces accusations of widespread phone hacking in Britain, Rupert Murdoch insisted on Wednesday that he had the backing of News Corporation’s board and would stay on as its chief executive for the foreseeable future. Meanwhile, his company reported a drop in fourth-quarter profit but a gain for the year.
Hmmm!

Sirius 16-08-2011 14:38
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Breaking news on the TV version of the sun

http://news.sky.com/home/uk-news/article/16050911

Quote:
James Murdoch is likely to be recalled to give evidence to MPs after a letter was published claiming phone hacking was "widely discussed" at the News Of The World.
Send him to the tower :)

denphone 16-08-2011 15:20
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35288842)
Breaking news on the TV version of the sun

http://news.sky.com/home/uk-news/article/16050911



Send him to the tower :)
l have always believed that he was not telling the truth and l have seen nothing to change my mind on that.

Maggy 16-08-2011 17:11
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http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/17/wo...r=1&ref=europe

Quote:
A high-profile parliamentary panel investigating phone hacking at Rupert Murdoch’s now-defunct News of the World tabloid released embarrassing new evidence Tuesday that the practice of intercepting voice mail had been widely discussed at the newspaper, contradicting assertions by its owners and editors.
Quote:
The newest allegations are contained in a four-year-old letter released for the first time from Clive Goodman, the News of the World’s former royal correspondent who served a jail term for hacking the mobile phones of members of the royal family, to a senior human resources executive who had informed him that he was being dismissed.
Quote:
In addition to the Goodman letter, the parliamentary panel also released a letter from Harbottle & Lewis, a law firm hired by the Murdochs, which they have repeatedly cited as having given the News of the World a “clean bill of health” in reviewing a cache of e-mails in 2007. The letter contradicts that assertion and says that its own investigation had been limited strictly to advising the company in its employment dispute with Mr. Goodman.
Trussed and stuffed.:)

Tuftus 16-08-2011 21:19
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Hmmm, if that letter proves to be the real deal, I fear that News Corp may be kind of stuffed...

Sirius 16-08-2011 23:27
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuftus (Post 35289080)
Hmmm, if that letter proves to be the real deal, I fear that News Corp may be kind of stuffed...
Then i for one hope that it is real.

RizzyKing 17-08-2011 16:56
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Oh please god let it be real seeing the back of murdoch's in any form can only be a good thing and the sooner the better maybe then journalism can return more to the old days of actually working for a story and doing so with dignity.

denphone 17-08-2011 17:01
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 35289335)
Oh please god let it be real seeing the back of murdoch's in any form can only be a good thing and the sooner the better maybe then journalism can return more to the old days of actually working for a story and doing so with dignity.
l will second that.

Dave42 17-08-2011 21:38
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35289149)
Then i for one hope that it is real.
same here

denphone 18-08-2011 11:19
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NOTW Hollywood reporter arrested.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011...s-of-the-world

Maggy 18-08-2011 12:00
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Quote:
Desborough was arrested on suspicion of conspiring to intercept communications, contrary to section 1 (1) of the Criminal Law Act 1977 after arriving at a south London police station on Thursday morning at 10.30am. He had arrived at the station by appointment for questioning about criminal activities at the paper.
Quote:
His move to the US makes his arrest, the 13th made by Operation Weeting, particularly significant. If Desborough was involved in hacking while in Britain, as police appear to believe he was, it raises the question of whether he practised those techniques in the US – and if so, whether he was the first and only News of the World journalist in the US to do so.
Hmmm!

Quote:
Desborough continued to win plaudits after his move to America. Ian Halperin, a Hollywood author, described him as someone who "never gets his facts wrong. He's a rock solid reporter." Hollyscope, an online site, also praised Desborough for "seem[ing] to have information that not even close family members … know."
Well,well,well.The waters get muddier and muddier

Dave42 18-08-2011 12:13
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35289562)
Hmmm!



Well,well,well.The waters get muddier and muddier
hopefully murdoch will have to sell his shares in sky and leave uk completely

denphone 18-08-2011 13:34
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 35289564)
hopefully murdoch will have to sell his shares in sky and leave uk completely
One would hope that will happen.

Maggy 18-08-2011 15:44
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 35289564)
hopefully murdoch will have to sell his shares in sky and leave uk completely
With all due respect if this US based reporter is found to have been using the same hacking methods in the US then it may drag the US into checking out NI and the Murdochs.Then they won't have the US to hide in.

Sirius 19-08-2011 16:15
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****Breaking news*****


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-14596815


Quote:
A 51-year-old man has been arrested over leaks during the phone-hacking investigation, Scotland Yard confirms.
Q Flyboy ;)

Maggy 19-08-2011 16:24
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Is that the police officer?Just heard that on the BBC news.No link about it.

Sirius 19-08-2011 16:26
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35290028)
Is that the police officer?Just heard that on the BBC news.No link about it.
Yep police office

Sky news is now covering it as well

Maggy 19-08-2011 16:30
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There has been another arrest today as well.Seems that the officer is on the investigating team.

Sirius 19-08-2011 16:42
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35290031)
There has been another arrest today as well.Seems that the officer is on the investigating team.
More has come out

Quote:
A police officer has been arrested in relation to leaks during the Scotland Yard phone-hacking investigation.

The 51-year-old detective constable was arrested at work on Thursday and has been released on bail until 29 September. He has also been suspended.

A 35-year-old has also been arrested by appointment as part of the hacking investigation, Operation Weeting.

The Met's Deputy Assistant Commissioner Sue Akers said the officer's arrest was "hugely disappointing".

She said: "I made it very clear when I took on this investigation the need for operational and information security. It is hugely disappointing that this may not have been adhered to.

"The MPS (Metropolitan Police Service) takes the unauthorised disclosure of information extremely seriously and has acted swiftly in making these arrests."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-14596815

Maggy 19-08-2011 16:53
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The Beeb have interviewed someone who thinks it may have something to do with the Guardian having got one or two scoops this week..:erm:

denphone 21-08-2011 18:50
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Milly Dowler phone hackers 'used more than one voicemail'


http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011...ing-voicemails

Damien 21-08-2011 20:05
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35290048)
The Beeb have interviewed someone who thinks it may have something to do with the Guardian having got one or two scoops this week..:erm:
I thought it was prior to this week. Practically all of the The Guardian's stories regarding phone hacking would have come from leaks and inside information.

Maggy 22-08-2011 22:55
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-14624167

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Andy Coulson, the former editor of the News of the World who has been arrested on suspicion of involvement in phone hacking and bribing the police, received several hundred thousand pounds from News International after starting work as the Conservative Party's Director of Communications in July 2007.


These payments were part of his severance package, under what is known as a "compromise agreement".


According to sources, Mr Coulson's contractual leaving pay was given to him in instalments until the end of 2007 - which means he continued to be financially linked to News International for several months of his tenure as David Cameron's main media adviser.
Quote:
According to a senior member of the government, Tory Party managers at the time say they were not aware Mr Coulson was receiving these payments from News International while employed by the Conservative Party.
What can one say?How much investigation if any was taken over hiring Coulson?How careful or thorough was the investigation?

Plus what can anyone do if someone just lies through their teeth or is 'economical with the truth'?

Been watching episodes of Yes Minister recently.Somehow it doesn't seem as funny as it once was, just worryingly true to life.

Hugh 22-08-2011 22:58
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tbf, I received payments from a previous employer under a compromise agreement for nine months after I left (I had a good solicitor), and worked for another company for four of those - it's quite common in business.

However, you might think that perhaps Mr Coulson should have mentioned it to DC......

Maggy 22-08-2011 23:02
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35291224)
tbf, I received payments from a previous employer under a compromise agreement for nine months after I left (I had a good solicitor), and worked for another company for four of those - it's quite common in business.

However, you might think that perhaps Mr Coulson should have mentioned it to DC......
Especially with the nature of the job and the access he was afforded to the inner workings of government..

tweetiepooh 23-08-2011 12:36
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Don't forget (aka Yes (Prime) Minister), the civil service don't tell the MP's (PM) everything (anything?). Deliberate non communication is part of politics.

devilincarnate 23-08-2011 17:23
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At least Coulson got to keep the car?

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The severance package also allowed him to keep hold of his company car, our correspondent revealed.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14627871

Chris 23-08-2011 18:05
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What Coulson got is uncontentious. Severance packages are not uncommon; even I got to keep a company car for 3 months after getting made redundant many moons ago now.

What is contentious is the fact that he was working for the Conservative Party whilst still receiving all that lovely lolly from Uncle Rupert. What is also contentious is that the Party apparently didn't know this.

I am curious to know the extent to which all parties concerned were playing that favourite political game, "ask no questions, tell no lies".

devilincarnate 23-08-2011 18:17
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35291508)
What Coulson got is uncontentious. Severance packages are not uncommon; even I got to keep a company car for 3 months after getting made redundant many moons ago now.

What is contentious is the fact that he was working for the Conservative Party whilst still receiving all that lovely lolly from Uncle Rupert. What is also contentious is that the Party apparently didn't know this.

I am curious to know the extent to which all parties concerned were playing that favourite political game, "ask no questions, tell no lies".
Yes very true Chris, But you got made redundant and he resigned? But I like this bit of the article that I linked to:

Quote:
Meanwhile, the Electoral Commission said it had received a letter from Labour MP Tom Watson, who has asked the watchdog to investigate whether the News International payments complied with British laws.

The commission said it would be responding to the request.

Mr Watson, said: "Given that Andy Coulson resigned in disgrace from the News of the World over the phone-hacking scandal, he took responsibility for what happened on his watch - his words, not mine - it seems remarkable that News International would feel obliged to give him any payments at all.

"And if those payments were discretionary then I think in law they would count as a hidden donation."

Hugh 23-08-2011 19:23
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Emotive words from Mr Watson - not trying to score some cheap political points, is he?

Quote:
Given that Andy Coulson resigned in disgrace from the News of the World over the phone-hacking scandal....

...... I think in law they would count as a hidden donation."
He took responsibility - that is not the same as resigning in disgrace (imho).

devilincarnate 23-08-2011 19:30
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35291565)
Emotive words from Mr Watson - not trying to score some cheap political points, is he?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35291565)
He took responsibility - that is not the same as resigning in disgrace (imho).
Yes he is trying to get some cheap points or could they be early points? As from the quote below he took responsibility of what happened on his watch? IMHO


Quote:
he took responsibility for what happened on his watch - his words, not mine

TheDaddy 24-08-2011 15:23
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35291508)
What Coulson got is uncontentious. Severance packages are not uncommon; even I got to keep a company car for 3 months after getting made redundant many moons ago now.

What is contentious is the fact that he was working for the Conservative Party whilst still receiving all that lovely lolly from Uncle Rupert. What is also contentious is that the Party apparently didn't know this.

I am curious to know the extent to which all parties concerned were playing that favourite political game, "ask no questions, tell no lies".
Do I remember him telling them that he wasn't recieving any payments other than his Downing street salary? That's contentious if I do remember him saying that.

denphone 24-08-2011 15:43
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News Corp's BSkyB deal: what do the documents reveal?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011...bid?CMP=twt_fd

denphone 24-08-2011 17:55
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Andy Coulson 'broke' Commons pass rules by failing to declare NI payments


http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011...ional-payments

Maggy 24-08-2011 18:11
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011...-international

Quote:
Andy Coulson was just a little too indiscreet, telling a handful of colleagues at Conservative campaign headquarters that he was still receiving substantial severance payments from News International months after he joined as David Cameron's aide and the party's director of communications in May 2007. His new salary was reported to be £275,000.
What Coulson said stayed quiet for years but finally enough of the story reached the BBC's Robert Peston about a week ago for him to try to broadcast what he knew. However, News International was not prepared to co-operate, or at least confirm the outlines of his story, until Tuesday – a behind-the-scenes battle for clarification that suggests the revelation was not leaked to Peston on a day when Libya would be guaranteed to dominate the news.

Hugh 24-08-2011 18:38
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35291948)
Andy Coulson 'broke' Commons pass rules by failing to declare NI payments


http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011...ional-payments
He either did or he didn't - putting broke in quotes is the Guardian covering their arses.

denphone 03-09-2011 06:27
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Phone hacking: victims' lawyers were targeted

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...d-2348387.html


Phone hacking: 30-year-old man arrested

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011...hacking-arrest

devilincarnate 05-09-2011 14:22
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This shows how close Blair was with Murdoch?

Quote:
Tony Blair is the godfather to one of Rupert Murdoch's young children, according to a forthcoming edition of fashion magazine Vogue.

The former UK prime minister was reportedly present last March when Mr Murdoch's two daughters by his third wife, Wendi Deng, were baptised.

The revelation comes in an interview with Ms Deng in Vogue.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-14785501

denphone 06-09-2011 05:17
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Steve Coogan: Why I won't let News Corp off the hook

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011...king-interview

denphone 06-09-2011 07:27
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Steve Coogan: What I really think of Coulson, Dacre and the Daily Mail

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011...hacking-quotes



Andy Coulson will not face inquiry into NI payments, confirms watchdog

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011...son-no-inquiry

Chris 06-09-2011 10:22
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35296949)
Steve Coogan: What I really think of Coulson, Dacre and the Daily Mail

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011...hacking-quotes
Quote:
Paul Dacre can have my ****ing hard drive off my computer. He won't find anything there other than very orthodox pornography that consenting couples used recreationally. He'll be familiar with the stuff.
:rofl:

denphone 06-09-2011 15:25
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Phone hacking and Leveson inquiry - live

• Crone is 'certain' he told James Murdoch more than one reporter was involved in phone-hacking
• Rupert Murdoch was 'wrong' to blame law firm Harbottle & Lewis
• Andy Coulson wanted to hire royal editor Clive Goodman after jail
• Goodman got golden goodbye out of 'compassion'


http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011...n-inquiry-live


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...l-2350061.html

Maggy 07-09-2011 07:51
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http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/07/wo...nt&tntemail1=y

Quote:
Mr. Crone and Mr. Myler testified that the meeting had centered on the e-mail, which they said they had cited in support of their argument that a settlement should be made with Mr. Taylor. Mr. Crone said he was “absolutely certain” he had shown the e-mail to Mr. Murdoch, and had pushed to settle the case because there were four other targets of News of the World phone-hacking who were “waiting in the wings” to begin civil damages lawsuits of their own that would draw heavily on evidence in the Taylor case if it were not ended by a financial settlement with a binding confidentiality clause.
Mr. Myler testified that all three men at the meeting “perfectly understood the seriousness and significance of what we were discussing,” in terms of more civil suits if the Taylor case was not settled and the e-mail was introduced in evidence.
Quote:
James Murdoch said in his statement, however, that his testimony in July was “an accurate account of events” and that Mr. Crone and Mr. Myler “did not show me the e-mail.” “As I said in my testimony, there was nothing discussed in the meeting that led me to believe that a further investigation was necessary,” he said.
So who to believe?

denphone 07-09-2011 07:56
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Well l believe James Murdoch should have to take a lie detector test because l do not believe him one jot.

Maggy 07-09-2011 10:49
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On Jeremy Kyle perhaps but but not at a Parliamentary Hearing.

They are gentlemen don't you know.;)

denphone 07-09-2011 10:59
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35297418)
On Jeremy Kyle perhaps but but not at a Parliamentary Hearing.

They are gentlemen don't you know.;)
But there are very nice gentlemen who are polite and well mannered and would do anything for their mother and then there are those gentlemen who would sell your mother to the highest bidder and Murdoch is one of these in my mind.

Hugh 07-09-2011 16:16
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Lie detectors can be quite easily fooled, and can also provide "false positives" - they are only foolproof in films....

denphone 07-09-2011 16:19
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35297621)
Lie detectors can be quite easily fooled, and can also provide "false positives" - they are only foolproof in films....
Have you tested one yet.;)

Hugh 07-09-2011 16:24
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35297626)
Have you tested one yet.;)
I have been tested on them in the past, and I keep up with the technology...;)

denphone 07-09-2011 16:26
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35297628)
I have been tested on them in the past, and I keep up with the technology...;)
l hope your past does not catch up with you.:D

Hugh 07-09-2011 16:51
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35297629)
l hope your past does not catch up with you.:D
My past should hope I don't catch up with it.....;)

LondonRoad 07-09-2011 20:12
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35297621)
Lie detectors can be quite easily fooled, and can also provide "false positives" - they are only foolproof in films....
You mean I might not be Jeremy Kyles love child:shocked:

denphone 08-09-2011 05:57
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Phone hacking: Raoul Simons of the Times arrested

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011...g-raoul-simons



Press freedom fears as police question Guardian reporter

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011...rdian-reporter

Hugh 08-09-2011 06:54
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Strange - the Guardian seems to think that investigating one alleged criminal act (interception of communications) is a good thing, and investigating another (obtaining confidential information from a Police Officer) is attacking Press freedom.

Maggy 08-09-2011 09:02
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35297822)
Strange - the Guardian seems to think that investigating one alleged criminal act (interception of communications) is a good thing, and investigating another (obtaining confidential information from a Police Officer) is attacking Press freedom.
This is the problem..How to protect the freedom of the press to do investigative journalism whilst protecting the privacy of individuals..

The answer IMHO is a neutral body to oversee the press but with actual real teeth and powers to enforce the rules which should be clear and not subject to interpretation..

denphone 12-09-2011 17:43
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Andy Coulson 'helped spin story of George Osborne and dominatrix'

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...ominatrix.html

Chris 12-09-2011 17:53
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We're in to the realms of gutter-raking now then, are we?

Hugh 12-09-2011 18:05
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35299379)
Andy Coulson 'helped spin story of George Osborne and dominatrix'

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...ominatrix.html
Quote:
lawyer for Natalie Rowe, the former boss of an escort agency, has suggested that Mr Coulson's treatment of the story may have been linked to his subsequent appointment as David Cameron's communications chief.
I suggest that if this story had any more caveats and "'"s, it may be difficult to separate fact from supposition.

devilincarnate 12-09-2011 19:13
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35299379)
George Osborne and dominatrix'
That would be one video that would fly off the shelves:erm:

Hugh 12-09-2011 19:28
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Dominatrix - wasn't she in one of the Asterix The Gaul books?

devilincarnate 12-09-2011 19:38
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35299429)
Dominatrix - wasn't she in one of the Asterix The Gaul books?
Unless she was the dog? Dogmatixhttps://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2011/09/19.gif

Hugh 12-09-2011 19:42
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Well, a collar and leash were involved, I believe.....;)

Maggy 12-09-2011 21:42
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35299383)
We're in to the realms of gutter-raking now then, are we?
It would appear to be the modus operandi of much of the media these days and it's hardly surprising when people swallow everything they read or are told..and repeat it.;)

denphone 13-09-2011 06:08
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Quote:
Originally Posted by devilincarnate (Post 35299424)
That would be one video that would fly off the shelves:erm:
l have better taste then that.:D

---------- Post added at 06:08 ---------- Previous post was at 06:07 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35299438)
Well, a collar and leash were involved, I believe.....;)
Walkies.:D

denphone 13-09-2011 17:44
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Hacking MPs recall News International's James Murdoch

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14899265

---------- Post added at 16:32 ---------- Previous post was at 14:50 ----------

Phone hacking: News International finds 'large caches' of documents


http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011...onal-documents

---------- Post added at 16:37 ---------- Previous post was at 16:32 ----------

Mother of 7/7 victim to sue News of the World publisher


http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011...ing-7-7-victim

---------- Post added at 17:44 ---------- Previous post was at 16:37 ----------

News Corp shareholders lodge complaint against Rupert Murdoch


http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011...ders-complaint

denphone 14-09-2011 07:23
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Exposed after eight years: a private eye's dirty work for Fleet Street


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...t-2354360.html

BenMcr 14-09-2011 09:43
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35299987)
Exposed after eight years: a private eye's dirty work for Fleet Street


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...t-2354360.html
Hardly 'exposed after eight years'

The Guardian covered Operation Motorman two years ago for a start ;) http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2009...-commmissioner

Damien 14-09-2011 12:38
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35297822)
Strange - the Guardian seems to think that investigating one alleged criminal act (interception of communications) is a good thing, and investigating another (obtaining confidential information from a Police Officer) is attacking Press freedom.
No evidence The Guardian paid for the confidential information and that was obtained in the course of investigating the former alleged criminal act you mention. While the interception of communications was a fishing exercise into people's private lives too obtain information which was rarely in the public interest.

No one thinks The Telegraph overstepped journalistic ethics by illegally obtaining the MP expenses files. That, as in the the case of The Guardian, is a precise query for information in which they have a reasonable chance of unearthing something in the public interest.

Hugh 14-09-2011 14:48
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35300099)
No evidence The Guardian paid for the confidential information and that was obtained in the course of investigating the former alleged criminal act you mention. While the interception of communications was a fishing exercise into people's private lives too obtain information which was rarely in the public interest.

No one thinks The Telegraph overstepped journalistic ethics by illegally obtaining the MP expenses files. That, as in the the case of The Guardian, is a precise query for information in which they have a reasonable chance of unearthing something in the public interest.
erm, I didn't say they had paid for it* - I said they had "obtained confidential information from a Police Officer", which is still an criminal offence.

*that is the tack the Grauniad are taking as well - they are not confirming or denying they have received confidential information from a Police Officer, they are stating "we didn't pay any Police Officer any money", which is answering a question that wasn't asked, but is close enough to perhaps mislead some people into thinking they answered the original question....

Damien 14-09-2011 15:01
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35300133)
erm, I didn't say they had paid for it* - I said they had "obtained confidential information from a Police Officer", which is still an criminal offence.

*that is the tack the Grauniad are taking as well - they are not denying they have received confidential information, they are stating "we didn't pay any Police Officer any money", which is answering a question that wasn't asked, but is close enough to perhaps mislead some people into thinking they answered the original question....
But that is a difference between the allegations at News International and The Guardian which is the comparison you had made. Both cases may be a criminal offence but that's where the differences stop and the details do matter.

News International are alleged to have engaged in a mass interception of private communications, with no specific public interest case in mind. It was a fishing exercise and they paid the police to do so. The Guardian broke the law but did so with confidence that they would get information about a specific issue which easily has a public interest defence.

I think that is a difference which avoids accusations of hypocrisy. If The Guardian hadn't used such tactics we may not have known about the phone hacking or the police officers accepting payments for information on private citizens. If News International hadn't used such tactics we wouldn't know who Hugh Grant has been having sex with.

Hugh 14-09-2011 15:08
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I think we will have to differ on this one, D, as I don't believe "the ends justify the means".....

Damien 14-09-2011 15:27
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35300144)
I think we will have to differ on this one, D, as I don't believe "the ends justify the means".....
What about The Telegraph's expenses expose? That justified the means surely?

I think Journalists have to break some laws but it's acceptable as long as they are after specific information and not on a 'fishing' exercise and they weigh the seriousness of the law they are breaking against the public interest in what they would expose.

denphone 15-09-2011 05:55
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Leveson inquiry: the full list of core participants

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011...t-participants

http://www.levesoninquiry.org.uk/wp-...l-14.09.11.pdf

Derek 15-09-2011 12:03
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Bernie Two-Dads wants the boundaries between the Police and media to be 'reset'

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-14931067

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The new Metropolitan Police commissioner has said the force's relationship with the media "has gone too far".

Bernard Hogan-Howe said he will reset the boundaries between police and media following the phone hacking inquiry.
Lets see how long that lasts.

denphone 17-09-2011 07:39
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Hacking: Met use Official Secrets Act to demand Guardian reveals sources


http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011...et-court-order

Maggy 17-09-2011 09:58
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I understand why.
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The application, authorised by Detective-Superintendent Mark Mitchell of Scotland Yard's professional standards unit, claims that the published article could have disclosed information in breach of the 1989 Official Secrets Act.
It is claimed Hill could have incited police working on the then Operation Weeting hacking inquiry into leaking information, both about Milly Dowler and about the identity of Coulson, Rebekah Brooks and other arrested newspaper executives.
A police officer is also being investigated, Scotland Yard say, for breaching the Official Secrets Act, as well as alleged misconduct in public office, for which the maximum sentence is life imprisonment.
However why didn't the Met use these powers with TNOW?

denphone 17-09-2011 10:03
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Well your guess is as good as mine but l would say that the Mets close ties with certain people in the NOTW could be a possible answer but what do you think.

Maggy 17-09-2011 10:17
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35301061)
Well your guess is as good as mine but l would say that the Mets close ties with certain people in the NOTW could be a possible answer but what do you think.
If I knew I wouldn't be speculating..;)

---------- Post added at 10:17 ---------- Previous post was at 10:06 ----------

There will be supreme irony if there are any prosecutions against The Guardian but none against the NOW..

denphone 17-09-2011 10:21
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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35301064)
If I knew I wouldn't be speculating..;)

---------- Post added at 10:17 ---------- Previous post was at 10:06 ----------

There will be supreme irony if there are any prosecutions against The Guardian but none against the NOW..


Nothing would surprise me .

denphone 18-09-2011 06:19
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Met's threats to Guardian are 'direct attack on free press', say lawyers and what a load of nonsense that is.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011...n-attack-press

Sirius 18-09-2011 08:47
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35301434)
Met's threats to Guardian are 'direct attack on free press', say lawyers and what a load of nonsense that is.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011...n-attack-press
They have even invoked the HRA

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The Society of Editors on Saturday joined the Index on Censorship in criticising the legal manoeuvre, while a leading QC suggested it could breach human rights laws
:rolleyes:

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The law, and particularly the Human Rights Act, is supposed to protect journalists' sources."
Why should that act be allowed to be used to protect journalists who are PAYING police officers bribey money for information that could affect a court case. ?

If i read this right the met wants to know which of its officers has been lining his or her own pockets by taking bribes

Damien 18-09-2011 09:13
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Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35301454)
Why should that act be allowed to be used to protect journalists who are PAYING police officers bribey money for information that could affect a court case. ?

If i read this right the met wants to know which of its officers has been lining his or her own pockets by taking bribes
Where is the accusation or the suggestion that The Guardian had paid their sources on the phone hacking story for the information? More likely the police don't want any more of these stories to be exposed in future. After all if it were not for these sources the investigation into the police accepting cash from NOTW and the fact they didn't conduct a proper investigation NOTW years ago would not be happening. :dozey:

Sirius 18-09-2011 09:45
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35301469)
Where is the accusation or the suggestion that The Guardian had paid their sources on the phone hacking story for the information? More likely the police don't want any more of these stories to be exposed in future. After all if it were not for these sources the investigation into the police accepting cash from NOTW and the fact they didn't conduct a proper investigation NOTW years ago would not be happening. :dozey:
So are you saying the police officers who released this information did it out of the goodness of there hearts. OK then until there is further information which will prove if or if not there was a bribe i am willing to say Allegedly.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011...-jonathan-rees

Now did some of that paid for information reach the Guardian i wonder ?

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Years ago, Jonathan Rees became a freemason. According to journalists and investigators who worked with him, he then exploited his link with the lodges to meet masonic police officers who illegally sold him information which he peddled to Fleet Street.

Damien 18-09-2011 09:55
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Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35301476)
So are you saying the police officers who released this information did it out of the goodness of there hearts. OK then until there is further information which will prove if or if not there was a bribe i am willing to say Allegedly.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011...-jonathan-rees

Now did some of that paid for information reach the Guardian i wonder ?
What? In that story The Guardian are reporting on someone who paid for information which he then 'peddled to Fleet Street', not that they illegally paid for said Information. :confused: It's also not the sources the police are requesting, the police was requesting The Guardian name the sources of people who told them of the phone hacking and the police being paid for information....

Hugh 18-09-2011 10:11
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Damien, you are doing a "Guardian" - it is not about paying an officer for information, it is about suborning a Police Officer to pass confidential information; this is a criminal offence - no money has to change hands...

Damien 18-09-2011 11:10
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35301487)
Damien, you are doing a "Guardian" - it is not about paying an officer for information, it is about suborning a Police Officer to pass confidential information; this is a criminal offence - no money has to change hands...
I know it's a criminal offense. That is one of the reasons why it's important for Journalists to protect their sources.

The difference here is that it was clearly in the public interest to reveal this information and to report on it. What is to stop the police or government to use this tact to stop other releases of information they don't like? After all pretty much every police or government leak is passing on confidential information. It's a serious problem if it's exposing people's private information, it's a different thing when it's passing on information about corruption or other ill-doing by those in power.

Sirius 18-09-2011 11:38
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35301509)
I know it's a criminal offense. That is one of the reasons why it's important for Journalists to protect their sources.

The difference here is that it was clearly in the public interest to reveal this information and to report on it. What is to stop the police or government to use this tact to stop other releases of information they don't like? After all pretty much every police or government leak is passing on confidential information. It's a serious problem if it's exposing people's private information, it's a different thing when it's passing on information about corruption or other ill-doing by those in power.
So who makes the choice on what is and what is not in the public interest. What you may think is in the public interest There is others who may not, Where does that stop and with WHO.

BTW who said it was ok for the Guardian to break the law or encourage a police officer to break the law, are the Guardian exempt from UK laws unlike you and me ?. Again i will ask why should the HRA be used to protect the Guardian if they have broken the LAW?

BTW before you accuse me of supporting that this information should not have been released, i do feel we should have been told about it, However its the law i am looking at and why the Guardian seem to think they are above it and untouchable ?

Maggy 18-09-2011 12:21
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The problem is that until the Guardian broke the story the NOTW situation wasn't being investigated.Now it is and the Guardian as whistle blowers are now under investigation and suspicion of breaking the law..

We did ask some time back just how endemic law breaking is within the media in general..Seems we maybe about to find out.

In the meantime we have a police force that did not FULLY investigate phone hacking when it should have,has been possibly involved in passing on information they had no right to do so and possibly the upper echelons have cosied up to NI far too much leaving them open to accusations of complicity.

Let us NOT take our eye off the ball here and hopefully the investigations into NOTW are not going to be muddied up so as to make us the public confused about where blame should lie.

Damien 18-09-2011 12:23
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Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35301527)
So who makes the choice on what is and what is not in the public interest. What you may think is in the public interest There is others who may not, Where does that stop and with WHO.
Well that is the difficult question. I would say most of the times it is an easy judgement to make, but clearly rules and a better body to regulate the press would help with this.

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. Again i will ask why should the HRA be used to protect the Guardian if they have broken the LAW?
It's to protect the Guardian's sources. Not The Guardian itself, who didn't break the law as far as I am aware.

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BTW before you accuse me of supporting that this information should not have been released, i do feel we should have been told about it, However its the law i am looking at and why the Guardian seem to think they are above it and untouchable ?
In future it is far less likely to be released if newspapers can no longer protect their sources. Whistle blowing will be far less common if the person leaking the information knows they stand a good chance of losing their job at best or facing prosecution at worst.

The Guardian should have a public interest defence in protecting their sources. That would be that they exposed NOTW and police corruption and to prosecute them for doing so would deter future whistle blowers.

denphone 18-09-2011 18:16
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Met police behaviour is worrying and deeply mysterious, says Hugh Grant and he should keep his mouth shut in my mind

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/se...ing-hugh-grant

Maggy 18-09-2011 18:28
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35301703)
Met police behaviour is worrying and deeply mysterious, says Hugh Grant and he should keep his mouth shut in my mind

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/se...ing-hugh-grant
He has as much right to his opinion as you do.In fact I think he has more right as he has been the victim of illegal phone hacking.

Chris 18-09-2011 18:33
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35301703)
Met police behaviour is worrying and deeply mysterious, says Hugh Grant and he should keep his mouth shut in my mind

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/se...ing-hugh-grant
Why should he?

denphone 18-09-2011 18:46
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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35301706)
He has as much right to his opinion as you do.In fact I think he has more right as he has been the victim of illegal phone hacking.
But this is a man who's behavior a while back was front page headlines and he moaned like mad back then if l rightly remember to keep it secret and now he toady's up to the media like the usual hypocrite.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id...gh+grant&hl=en

Damien 18-09-2011 18:59
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35301709)
But this is a man who's behavior a while back was front page headlines and he moaned like mad back then if l rightly remember to keep it secret and now he toady's up to the media like the usual hypocrite.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id...gh+grant&hl=en
Don't think he is toading up to the media at all. He was been quite critical of them throughout this affair...

Chris 18-09-2011 19:00
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If he has been wronged, he has the right to complain about it. :shrug:

Maggy 18-09-2011 19:03
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35301709)
But this is a man who's behavior a while back was front page headlines and he moaned like mad back then if l rightly remember to keep it secret and now he toady's up to the media like the usual hypocrite.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id...gh+grant&hl=en
I'm sorry but I disagree.He's not a hypocrite to complain about illegal activities against him..

Stuart 18-09-2011 21:23
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35301709)
But this is a man who's behavior a while back was front page headlines and he moaned like mad back then if l rightly remember to keep it secret and now he toady's up to the media like the usual hypocrite.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id...gh+grant&hl=en
Two wrongs do not make a right. Regardless of his activities before (none of which were actually illegal IIRC), the newspapers do not have the right to hack in to his voicemail.

denphone 19-09-2011 07:24
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l know two wrongs do not make a right but it seems some celebrity's want it both ways when it is convenient to them.

Damien 19-09-2011 07:45
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35301830)
l know two wrongs do not make a right but it seems some celebrity's want it both ways when it is convenient to them.
In what sense does he 'want it both ways'?

denphone 19-09-2011 07:55
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Well it seems Public figures want it both ways , It is grossly hypocritical of Hugh Grant– or anyone else in the public eye – to complain about the media invading privacy.
I’m sick of politicians and performers, who trade their profiles for money, biting the hand that feeds them and then complaining.


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