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I know mate I will , bugs and glitches early doors don't bother me , that's part of being an early adopter

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Hello..

Wondering, how long it will take for all the V+ customers to get set up... I have telephone, broadband but only the very basic TV package as I currently have sky...

I was about to upgrade to HD with sky when I heard Tivo was coming to Virgin.. Starting to wish I hadn't heard about it because I think the wait is going to bug me...

Also does anyone know if I was to upgrade my TV with virgin now, would that...

1. Put me under contract with that box... Could I still upgrade when Tivo is available?..also would it..

2. Move me up the priority list?...

I tried calling Virgin, but I've forgot my password and didn't have it to hand. I said I was just wanted information and it wasn't actually related to my account, but she insisted I needed to have the password. I didn't expect this service from their sales department...:mad:

Thanks

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It's not as bad as having 2 tuners on the V+ though, TiVo will go and find repeats of stuff that clashes and record that instead (AFAK), well that's what I keep telling myself!! ;)

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1. not for the box, no. you would be contracted for the tv service, so upgrading is not a problem in contract.

2. VM XL TV customers are the first to get TiVo, so yes.

DPA has to be taken seriously, you could have been anyone trying to upgrade your account.

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This is correct.

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They could have done DPA with your date of birth, method of payment and what bank, so no idea why they were like that with you.

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Brilliant.. Thanks for that....

I understand about 'DPA' , but I just wanted to ask the questions that you have just answered here... I understood I wouldn't be able to upgrade without password, but when I tried to explain, I was told she could not answer any questions without a password...

Anyway, It looks like I will be making another phone call to upgrade :), This time with my password at the ready :D

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I think generally, there was a failure to communicate... It was like I was talking to a machine...

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Although I have little interest until the third tuner is available, would it be worthwhile 'registering my interest' now so a box may be available at launch?

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I have received my Tivo training - WOW WOW WOW is as much as I can say :)

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As they have stated that existing customers and those that have registered interest would be amongst the first, it would be perhaps prudent to do so, yes.

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Wow Wow Wow is how I'd describe the Series 1 TiVo I used to own and the VM TiVo will be ten times better. I'm going to be on cloud 9 for a very long time once I get mine.

It's going to be so good to be able to say "I TiVo'd this or that" again. Bring it on :)

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Would that be the Series 1 TiVo with just the one analogue SD tuner? And you still loved it? ;)

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Someone on the VM forum posted a link with details about how you can get subtitles on iPlayer with Tivo.

http://shop.virginmedia.com/content/...-Doc-11dec.pdf

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This VM TiVo will blow Angel67's mind then! :)

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I think that ship sailed some time ago! :D

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ha ha ha :D

TiVo
 

If you type in Tivo you know get results,

http://help.virginmedia.com

Well worth a read

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Ths takes you direct to section you mean. http://help.virginmedia.com/system/s...MEZONE_OFFSET=

TiVo
 

Yes that is what I meant. Sorry about that, I was trying to shorten the link. The search returned 60 articles so plenty of information to read through

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I have done that myself and people then ask where is it and with it being TiVo many people will read through it anyway.:)

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Complete VM TiVo guide - http://www.virginmedia.com/tivo/tivo_complete_guide.pdf

And some other stuff here: http://www.virginmedia.com/help/tivo/

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Anybody know what this means, taken from one of the new guides



Will we be able to stream to pc, it's one of the things on my wish list but was thinking it might not be allowed due to rights interests. Could be that the streaming is to the tivo rather than the other way round.

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It is to allow content to be copied or streamed from the TiVo to other devices. But you are correct that some content owners may restrict it.

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Cheers. Sounds like really good news depending on how much we are able to stream.

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Which guide mate? Looks good, I thought that they might not have included support for the TiVo Desktop software but it looks like they have!

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It's here. I can't find any info on backing up recordings so hoping you can do it that way. They seem to be more restrictive in the UK on what you can copy than the US though. Even if it were encrypted so you could stream it back to the tivo it would be useful as a back up.

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An additional piece of informtion. The remote code list shows Denon and Yamaha on it so presumably we will now be able to use the remote to control av amplifier volume.

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Cheers, TiVo Desktop Plus is the piece of software used in other countries to get content off a TiVo.

https://www3.tivo.com/store/accessor...sktoppluspc.do

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While VM have not outright ruled out TiVo Desktop, due to the UK having more stringent content license laws than the US, being able to back up recordings may not be fully possible, so with that in mind it's not something they are looking at as a priority.

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From the Complete Guide:

Video Output Format
Your box receives signals in any of five possible formats – 1080i, 1080p, 720p,
576i and 576p.

I think "receives" is not technically correct here. The box can output in five different flavours, but I understood all VM cable TV transmission to be in 1080i with the box scaling to the required output flavour. Have I got this right?

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Just read something On DS that made me facepalm, is it true VM TiVo won't have a dynamic EPG ?

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That's exactly what I was wondering because it mentions a feature called 'extend live recordings' but it would appear you have to tell it to extend the recording yourself even though it asks you. Isn't that just a fancy name for padding and why wouldn't it just do it anyway?

It surely must have a dynamic EPG?

Edit -It would appear that it dosen't have a dynamic EPG if the DS post is right.

I am genuinely gobsmacked if it's true.

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Had my BB upgraded to 50mb at the weekend. Was chatting to the engineer and he told me he was having his Tivo training this week. He said to call next week and they should be able to advise when it will be availbale in my area.

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I'm guessing that ...... might be in the contract somewhere to fulfil that requirement.

So you can stream to laptops, mobile phones etc. in your household (which, like the TV licence, covers a multitude of people and places I'd imagine) but you can't stream it to your web page, post in on YouTube (even if it came from there in the first place!) or start your own WiFi TV channel.

Fair enough!

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Looks to me that the overlap stuff is more about clashing recordings and the extending live is just that extending live recordings. So that doesn't mean there isn't a dynamic EPG.

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Judging by posts from Spiderplant and whizzard though this will be restricted due to rights issues. This is more of an issue to me than getting a dynamic epg. Still enough reasons there for me to pay for one though.

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There is nothing in the guides to suggest it has though, if it was dynamic why would you need to manually extend live events isn't that what a dynamic EPG is for?

There seems to be someone who is in the know on DS who says it hasn't but if i'm honest I find that hard to believe.

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It sounds odd, why would they go to the trouble of using TiVo (that have dynamic EPGs) and use TMS (that provide dynamic EPG data) for the data feed if it wasn't dynamic?

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Forgive me I dont know what TMS is. Re dynamic EPG The series 1 Tivo dosen't have it though, nor the US one so I am reading, Is that right?

My fire sale Woolies £15 freeview box has it you know!

What is TMS?

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Hi Mersey70,this article seems to suggest it does have a dynamic EPG.

http://wotsat.techradar.com/news/vir...under-01-12-10

Thought i would post before i go out so you could have a browse.:)

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Tribune Media Services

http://www.tribunemediaservices.com/

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Cheers, it does mention a dynamic EPG but it isn't a user review though so it isn't that clear.

I just find it odd it has a option to manually add time onto live events, why would you even have to? I would have expected it to be like (dare I say it on here) a Sky+ box that automatically does it.

Surely it has it?

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Im just wondering if we are getting dynamic EPG mixed up with overlap protection. Dynamic epg (to me anyway means) an EPG that is updated if there is a schedule change, which is mentioned toward the end of the userguide where it states the TiVo connects every few hours to update. Overlap protection is used when all tuners are busy recording and another lower priority programme is due to be recorded. It ensures by clipping the recording times that no recordings are missed. When all tuners are being used on a Sky+ box it doesn't matter how dynamic the EPG is, you will find the following recording will be cancelled, it happened all the time when I had Sky. I do agree though that the live recording buffer implies that the EPG is not going to be as dynamic as people here are wanting though.

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Surely though, even a dynamic EPG might not update fast enough if for example a football game goes into extra time like the 10 min stoppage on the man Utd game the other day. Or the sudden death finishes on American Football when the game is tied at full time.
I would have thought that this is what the extended live recordings option is for

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I for one think your both spot on. Also as you point out it does say "TiVo connects every few hours to update".

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The Sky+ box does cater for this. If a programme is due to finish at 11.30 but overruns by 5 minutes, the EPG will reflect this, although if I remember correctly it never worked on all channels, only those that supplied the info.

Equally it doesn't say anywhere that TiVo is unable to do this.

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ESPN definitely needs this feature, the EPG info is appalling yet on freeview it's always seems upto date

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I thought Sky used the PDC (Programme Delivery Control) info that's embedded by certain channels into the broadcast? If so, in my experience, support was good on the BBC channels, good most of the time on Channel 4, variable on ITV (they sometimes transmitted signals at the correct time, sometimes not) and non existent on the other channels.

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Would that have been on Sky owned channels?

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Sky Sports channels most certainly have the feature, in fact from what I have read it is a pretty comprehensive service these days.

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I'm near sure the Sky+HD box had an option somewhere in the settings to extend recordings however I could be wrong.

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In my original post, I did quote an excerpt from How do I check my TiVo box’s network and system information? which stated:-

This 'household' limitation seems like the only reasonable restriction that providers might impose short of excluding their content from sharing and streaming altogether.

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A bit of a mixed bag of responses there isn't there. My understanding from reading many, many posts on DS is that the dynamic Sky EPG is pretty reliable overall.

What my concern would be if say a cup game goes into extra time at the last minute a lack of dynamic EPG would be a bit of a problem. Even if the Tivo gets updated every few hours it possibly wouldn't be much use for that.

I just assumed it would be a feature included but it appears not as it isn't included on the US and original UK version. Never mind.

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Once I've had my gag taken off I'll tell you mersey. :)

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It does. You can set it manually, or if you put in on automatic it will add 2 mins front and back of the EPG time as long as no other recordings prevent that happening.

However, the EPG still moves dynamically on those channels that manage it properly. Eurosport is one channel that totally fails to manage it properly, causing much frustration, largely because I think they make decisions on a whim about whether to stay with a sport that's overrunning.

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Yes your right I was just making the point to others on the forum that just because you can extend recordings on the TIVO box doesn't mean its defo not a dynamic EPG.

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Cheers DF I was just a bit curious that's all, it isn't as if i'll be getting it so it's not a deal breaker or anything it was just that the dynamic EPG wasn't mentioned in the manual. I suppose If I did happen to change my mind in the future it is definitely a feature I would expect though.

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The TiVo Desktop software (and Toast for the Mac) does seem to allow for recordings to be flagged as protected and won't allow you to copy them. Hopefully that should be good enough for UK broadcasters.

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2011/01/30.jpg

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Do restrictions on copying necessarily imply that they can't be streamed in some secure way, perhaps to a supplied app. on the remote device?

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just been on the sofa and one of the members has just posted this.
whether it's the truth or not

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Thanks for the link:
Reading through the proposed updates, it seems to suggest that you will be able to stream content from the Tivo box to another VM HD box elsewhere in the house.
That would be a Godsend for me and Mrs. D&C:)
Also streaming to my IPAD would be good, but probably not allowed :(

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:erm:

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keep it gagged, more speculation then :angel:

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"20 minutes to download the software and it comes from US servers," that's the funniest thing I've read in a long while on these boards.:D

The software will be preinstalled on the stbs with updates coming from the headends.

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so how do you know this prey tell .
or are you just guessing

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As the website only mentions a terabyte of memory I would like to know where the 320Gb one come from.

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Only DF can honestly answer that as question and I doubt it somehow.

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here
http://www.latestgadgets.co.uk/home-...media-v-hd-box
this is handy
http://www.virginmedia.com/tivo/tivo_complete_guide.pdf

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I thought there was talk of a smaller hard drive, although still cant work out why you would make a good product into a lesser one.. my blu-ray can take upto 20 minutes to update so dont see why tivo is any different in time scale.

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Just going by the website presentation, I do not see the point of a smaller hard drive rather pointless.

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Someones got to be taking the pee June , I thought February was the date.

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They have stated that at some point perhaps there will be different configurations of boxes, but for at least the foreseeable future, it will be the 1TB box only.

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It's rubbish, no way will it be June.

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So by that you mean the 1TB box will launch in Feb sometime

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it says

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Yes, complete waste of time, easier to stick with one model for installation and maintenance, completely pointless the smaller hard drive when everyone hase complained about lack of space when recording in HD on the V+.:banghead:

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February was putting 2 + 2 and getting 5 ? ,someone saw a maintenance van with tivo on it and pink hearts I think, so conclusion was 14th Feb, Still speculation I'm affraid.

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There is to much info now available for it not to be launching soon . The 6000 customers van man talks about could that be all the people who registered their interest.

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Its actually the EPG data it downloads, and the fastest it has been completed as of yesterday was 18mins. Thats from engineer turning the box on to having it all up and running, and thats direct from Tivo project manager!!

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Think install techs (I assume you know many jobs they do in a day) and do the maths.:) Whatever the procedures now are not the final ones for the full rollout.

As for the tivos with smaller hard drives, that's already public info courtesy of one of Berkett's presentations to the city bods.

That's because it's not on the headends yet because its not the full roll out - yet.:)

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The 6000 are for staff again I'm afraid peeps, its for the staff that missed out on Tivo 500 and it also went live for staff to order on the boiler room on Tuesday this week.

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Thats not going to work ;)

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Good to know, cheers :)

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Does that mean that it will be rolled out to staff only then? Surely deploying to existing customers must start soon!

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Fair play I mean you do work for the company , so am I right in thinking we will have to wait until the other date June.

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We are not far off now. :)

I know it seems like forever when you are waiting. VM are keen to make sure it's perfect for customers.

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If they're waiting for Valentines day so that they have a promotion hook, that's crazy in my view.

At the risk of being fired as a foorball commentator...

I'm fairly sure more men are into the TIVO than women and more women are into Valentines day than men, so the two don't mix for a TIVO launch promotion in my view.

They should just get it out to customers ASAP

Of course, as the Valentines day is pure speculation, they may just get it out to us ASAP.

BTW, no offence meant to men or women on the forums; truth can't be offensive, can it?

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It does seem like ages yes! I totally understand they want it to be perfect, and I think most customers would expect that. I think it's the silence from VM since the 1st December announcement that's getting us all wound up!

I printed out the user manual today and have had a read through it. That's just added to the waiting torture :D

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ha ha I know... Even us staffers want VM to let you guys know ASAP! :)

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Look, as DF said previously it's not far away!

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I do admire you guys though. All these questions we're all asking and you probably know all the answers and you aren't allowed to say. That must be quite difficult, so credit to you!

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You would not believe mate! :)

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I think considering the price of hard drives now, I agree with these comments. A 1tb hard drive can be bought from ebuyer for under £40, a 2tb for under £60. Think of the numbers VM buy them in....
Except i said it before that picture got posted.;)

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73 pages later and people still asking... Im amazed at the tenacity of some people :)

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I've been following this forum since the beginning of December and decided to join a couple of weeks ago and thought it best I should actually start posting!

The things is, when Tivo is eventually released to us all, this part of the forum will be deathly quiet as we'll all be sat glued to our boxes playing with it!

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No , I didn't think it was either until 6000 staff are getting supplied before customers, I understand the 1000 staff in December but now it seems the goal posts have moved, seems like more staff than Tivo's and customers .

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I can't see existing customers getting install dates of 14th Feb as Virgin would have to start ringing around soon , I wonder how many pre registered.

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I think someone's got confused between the TiVO Premiere in the states which does come in two flavours (and has wireless and THX) and the Cisco-made UK VM TiVO. Everything we've heard so far indicates only a 1TB box for the UK.

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Although VM dont buy hard drives, they have a contract with manufacturers for the supply of STB's with set specifications.

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Its great isn't it . :doh:

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Some sense finally!!

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No Neil Berkett did an investors session were smaller drives were mentioned. But I believe these will come later on in the year.

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Never mind a different, smaller, version of Tivo. Where is the 1tb version?! ;)