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It's not for me to justify it but its not my fault the Lib Dem voters are clustered into disparate constinuency areas. That's a fact of life. Labour dominate the inner cities, Conservatives dominate suburbs and rural areas. Lib Dems have bits in between. Its not my fault, its not the country's fault. The Tories suffered from Labour's gerrymandering you know. Surely its up to the Lib Dems to appeal to the most seats around the country than dominating small pockets of voters.

I have said before I have no issue with the Lib Dems trying bring in a system that suits them. Its self preservation. I'd have no problem if they built a coalition, got the country out of the hole it's in and then a year or two down the line start to pose the question to the public. However they are currently holding our country to ransom over the issue. And the fact they'd rather pal up with Labour if they will guarantee to bring in AV (and they have said, they will) than who would be better at stimulating the economy and protecting rights (clue: its not Labour), adds insult to injury.

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I think the Traders and Investors out there on the markets would disagree with you and rightly so.

I am sorry but I did not vote at this election so non-important issues were dealt with first - Economics should be the top priority, right now we got the Lib Dems truly showing their true colours - that is them thinking of themselves at the next election which could be months/years off* Delete as appropriate depending on who or what entity becomes in power.

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BTW I suffer from a similar problem as the Lib Dems. My constituency in London is solidly Tory. The majority vote for them because we want them. However my council district covers a small part of my constituency but mostly a large part of inner-city London which is heavily populated with ethnic-minorities. The result: my council is solidly Labour. So me, as well as a lot of other people where I live are ruled by people we didn't vote for despite our majority.

The Lib Dems aren't without my sympathies. However now is not the time to force AV, STV, ITV or BBC or anything else though.

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If electoral tradition means why bother changing anything, perhaps the UK should never have bothered with any of the Reform Acts or the various Representation of the People Acts...

It needs to change because it no longer works properly. It is not representative of the desires of the voters. It disenfranchises voters. It means there are safe seats where your vote is utterly pointless unless you want to vote for the incumbent MP. It means that a party can gain only 9% of the seats on 23% of the vote. It means that a party can gain a majority of seats in the House of Commons while losing the popular vote.

STV is fair & proportional, reduces vote wastage, cuts down on safe seats, & keeps a constituency link.

FPTP

STV



If the Lib Dems were so selfish, they would be in favour of one of the other PR systems, rather than STV, which is determined by the Electoral Reform Society to be the best possible system.

And it is not a sudden need to change it: They have been in favour of Electoral Reform for *years*.

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Come on Matt, if Hague was wrong in what he was saying even though the Lib Dems are furiously negotiating, i'm sure they could muster up at least one person to go on camera and say he's wrong. So come on, conceed that Hague is being accurate.

I don't think from what I have heard the Tories have offered AV, I think Lib Dems offered it concession to STV.

However it comes back to the point that its just not the time and place to be arguing over election reform.

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He sure is, I thought you were going to post the argument he had with Alasdair Campbell today, this one is even worse.
For somebody who is supposed to be neutral he certainly is lacking a lot of professionalism, maybe he and Sky have been told by their master to follow Fox.

http://www.wordmagazine.co.uk/conten...stair-campbell

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Excellent comment under that video:

:D

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Prior to the election they did offer a referendum on AV. Now they're offering a bill, sans referendum, with a referendum to follow later on other options.

However, they will never get a bill on AV through the commons. The Tories will oppose it because they will be able to say the furthest they are prepared to go is to back a referendum on it, not simply introduce it immediately, and there are plenty of Labour backbenchers, especially in Scotland, who will not back it because they fear the beginning of a slippery slope towards PR that would just about cut Scotland's Labour seats in half and give them to the Tories and the SNP. Labour needs FPTP in Scotland in order to perpetuate the myth that nobody supports the Tories north of the border.

A bill on AV is a promise Labour simply can't deliver, and the Lib Dem negotiating team, if it has any political nous whatsoever, should have seen straight through it immediately. I still think a deal with the Conservatives is the only deal in town and I still think Clegg knows this, but he has been playing chicken with the Tory negotiators to see how many concessions he can get.

No, it's because in order to get his right-wing backbenchers not to come out in open revolt at the suggestion of a referendum on AV, he has been forced to throw them some concessions of his own.

If you took a serious interest in British party politics instead of just being a Labour fanboy, you would know and understand that Cameron would never choose to offer any sort of job to David Davis (who, incidentally, never ran an election as party leader. And neither did IDS. So I'm wondering what you meant by 'the public had no interest in them'. Was there some secret general election only you were privy to?)

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Bit worried: Can Mandleson run for PM? You have to be an elected member of the house of commons for that don't you?

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I don't think he'd let something like rules stop him giving it a go...

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There's no rule that says you have to be in the commons. However, the last peer of the realm to be PM vacated the office in 1902, so I'd say there is by now an established convention that you do need to be in the Commons rather than the Lords.

Had Mandy had long-term designs on high office in the party, he would have had himself parachuted into a safe seat last week. I reckon you can rest easily in your bed.

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I can think of one or two 'contenders' for that honour from these forums....

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Big chunks of the West of Scotland for a start. They'd vote for a freshly laid pile of steaming dog turds as long as it had a labour rosette on it. In fact in some cases last week I think they did.

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Just a small point regarding negotiation with both sides. Is it not sensible to have a solution ready to go as an when agreed (by either side), rather than waiting until one fails & then having to start from that point with the others for the next round of horse trading, delaying things still further.

May be worth remembering the "Moral Majority" is actually those who did not vote at all. A larger percentage than voted Tory.

The Tory press in the UK should take a huge amount of blame for the result. Panicking voters with untrue claims about a balanced government. A clearer & more honest result may have been delivered without the press bias.

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I think the same restrictions that apply to TV programming during an election should apply to the papers..

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I think most of those who didn't vote are not Moral at all. I'd describe them as bloody lazy, or at best, suffering from Icantgiveatossatitis, as opposed to not voting out of some principle.

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Or full time complainers. The decide that it is a travesty there is no party that agrees with them on everything and then spend the next 5 years bleating on about how disenfranchised with politics they are and somehow think we should give a toss. Like that stupid 'Sod the lot' poster with UKIP, just playing on the hyper-cynical members of our country

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Some of them have been made promise after promise from all parties and have still seen no change in their circumstances,some of them after years of supporting one side or the other.If I lived on one of the really terrible estates in an inner city where nothing seems to improve, I think I might also wonder what the point was in voting.

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That won't wash. Those who didn't vote (the vast majority of them, anyway), have demonstrated that they don't care. Protestations about 'they're all the bleedin' same, innit?' are just a fig-leaf for plain laziness, both intellectual and bone-idle.

There is nothing remotely moral about refusing to participate in the government of our country for half an hour, once every five years. They didn't want their voice heard last Thursday so they have no business moaning about the outcome now.

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Well said those men.

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However claiming a "Moral Majority" with only 23% of the populations vote (carefully said vote & not support as these are two different things) is not honest either. As far as I am concerned the only winners this time were the interfering press.

Agree with Maggy - there should be TOTAL press neutrality once an election is called. Even including local radio & newspapers.

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Local radio stations are already under enforced neutrality due to the terms of their broadcasting licences, same as TV. As for the Press - how would you legislate for that? Would the political parties be prevented from printing their own in-house magazines? What about independent, but politically partisan pamphleteers?

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Interesting today that it is being branded about that Labour, the losing party are desperately trying to cling on to power is the 'Robert Mugabe' style of politics, scrambling around to trying to remain in power, even though they lost the election. Bloody hypocrites.

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No, but in the case of Gordon Brown's government, the country was ruined by Tony Blair's government.

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Printed material from the parties is reasonable. However free and biased publicity from the press is not. I only read the local Cameron Gazette (Witney Gazette) and avoid all national papers. Whilst I can appreciate a local MP is a newsworthy item for the local paper, during the election this should stop.
Our local press put a huge interview with DC in the paper (nicely timed with the postal votes) with nothing similar for any of the other candidates in subsequent weeks. I am fully aware I live in blue balloon on a string territory (both hubby & I work here so no silly suggestions of moving to be able to have my vote count) so no matter what we will get a Tory, however just for that short period a bit of neutrality would be wonderful.

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Bias can take the form of censorship(ie not reporting a story in the first place) or just the use of certain words to change the emphasis of a story(BBC are major offenders).

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Oh Jeez. It is not comparable Robert Mugabe. Some of the hyperbole people use in this country is ridiculous, I heard people on Radio 4/5 comparing the trouble people had voting to a 3rd world country where we would send UN Inspectors in :rolleyes: Such comparisons do us a disservice because all it does it further enrage people on an already sensitive topic as well as being a vast exaggeration.

The Tories should from the next government. However there is nothing legally wrong with what Labour are doing, this is the result of our electoral system.

I think it helps if we accept that people didn't win or lose the election but that one party won more seats than another. It feels like a game rather than a democracy the way people seem to behave, that it's winner take all if they got the highest score.

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Yes, hysterically so, as I feel I am vastly overpaid and need to be brought down to earth.;)

Or, in the real world, where really dumb questions like that don't get asked, but someone feels the need to do so anyway, I would state that I don't believe anyone would be happy to have outgoings rising (utilities, council tax, food, fuel, etc) due to things without my control, whilst income remains static. However, I understand that money has to be created to be distributed, and if that money isn't there, it can't be distributed.

Therefore, I accept that my pay will be frozen, that my outgoings will have to reduce (apart from those I have no control over) - anyone who thinks otherwise is living in a fool's paradise (imho). One (or the country) can't spend what it doesn't have (well, it can, but then Mr Default comes to visit, which is not a good thing).

hth

Alan Johnson (via the BBC) has just said I don't remember anyone saying that - does anyone else?

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Maybe if we had a fairer system more people would vote? In my constituency my vote was worth 0.03, so hardly worth voting at all!

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Perhaps more people would have voted had there been an option on the ballot paper to say "I have no confidence in any of the above to represent the views of the electorate or to run this country as it should be run' - however, a lack of confidence in any of the electorate available on the ballot paper can only be represented by a refusal to vote for them, an action which currently is only interpreted as abstaining / disinterest.
To determine who is abstaining and who does not have confidence in the parties / representatives available that option must be added to the ballot paper in order to gain a more accurate representation of people's motivations.
Realistically what were the options?

Labour - who have consistently driven the country into the ground and are led by a man so arrogant he refuses his own party's calls to resign?
Conservatives who haven't got the best track record in the past and don't seem to have a strong enough leadership at the moment
Lib Dems - Who would take us full throttle into Europe despite overwhelming public opposition
Fringe parties such as UKIP / BNP who have some very objectionable views

There should be a vote for 'none of the above' whereby if 'none of the above' gains the majority vote there is to be a new election and none of the current candidates are able to stand again, and the parties must re-evaluate their election campaigns. Furthermore, elective promises which are made MUST become publicly accountable with an annual review - what steps are being taken to fulfill those promises, how much progress has been made, etc, It is supposed to be a government of the people, by the people, for the people and it's now the 21st century, time to make them act like it.

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Oh Jeez nothing - It most certainly is.

Losers clinging to power and trying to cling to it even more by stitching up the electorate is very much Robert Mugabe style politics.

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The idiots are back, this time protesting the Murdoch-owned Tory mouthpiece that is the...err... BBC.

Some old banshee was going on about something during the Prescott interview instead of doing some housework.

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/s...re/8674891.stm

20 grand fee? Not a bad earner for some people.

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Could that not be said for most politicians? :p:

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Now someone's calling Hague and Letwin liars and murderers?

*sigh*

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That Scottish dude who ended up arguing with some English nationalist?

Lovely isn't it? Crazy season is in full swing.

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Lib-Con is looking more likely by the minute.

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New Scientist - Electoral dysfunction: Why democracy is always unfair

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All that basically says is that if there are 3 candidates and 181 voters, the first 180 vote 60 each for the 3 candidates, then voter 181 gets to decide the outcome of the election...

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Not sure they'd be covered. After all, I don't believe in-house radio and TV stations are. Admittedly, in-house TV and Radio stations are not normally broadcast to everyone.

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Andy Burnham has apparently added his name to the list of New Labour heavyweights who're claiming that a 'coalition of losers' is unacceptable and that the Tories ought to be given the chance to try to govern in the interests of national stability. I've heard John Reid, David Plunkett and others saying similar and sounding remarkably magnanimous but is their stance based on a sense of altruism and fair play or something else I wonder??.... Possibly the realisation that the next government is going to inherit a poisoned chalice and carry the can for what was allowed to happen to UK PLC on New Labour's watch. Many people have very short memories and tough decisions are needed but if they're made, the flak will start to fly so being in opposition and getting shot of Brown at the same time might seem a relatively nice, safe, place to be. Just a thought..... :erm:

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you mean repeating the last time labour handed the reins to the conservatives?

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Yes - letting the next government pick up the pieces, make the tough choices and get all the stick from that proportion of the electorate who can't see beyond the end of their noses.

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There is no such thing as a perfect voting system never has been never will be there will always be someone that feels they havn't been represented and for us to be taking all this time to get a government by one party holding others to ransom on an issue that benefits them massively is wrong and no one in this country voted for that. Our economy is in trouble we need to get it sorted quickly or at the very least have a good plan to get it sorted none of which can happen till all this stops. It is funny that the biggest shouts for this come from lib dem supporters who clearly feel rather then their party actually appeal enough to get the votes that the system should be changed.

Also loving how so many people are saying what i voted for on my behalf and all of them are completely wrong. I voted to get this country moving and for it's problems to start getting sorted out so that my children are not paying anymore then they have too for the mess labour created. Not for one millisecond did electoral reform play any part in my vote and having spoken to a few other people it played no part in theirs either. This is an issue to address if it really needs to be addressed when we have sorted out the economy and are no longer at risk of having our credit rating as a country lowered thus costing us even more in interest costs.

As for the lib dems i havn't had many good thoughts about them for a while all through the election we heard that rubbish about them being the party of honesty and then like labour telling complete lies about the opposition and now they have the country by the privates and are squeezing for all they are worth and lets not kid ourselves they are not doing it for any high and mighty principle they are doing for themselves in future elections and if any party is stupid enough to give in to them now they will wreck whatever coalition they form once their preferred voting system is in and take us to another election.

Getting sick of the whole damn thing I WANT the really important national issues to be sorted out not the voting system and that frustration i think is spreading and the longer this goes on the more the lib dems will be viewed as the selfish want it alls they are.

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I thought that was actually a perfect description of the tories especially the old etonian brigade.;)

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:rofl: :rofl:

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Their preferred system is only to accurately reflect the electorate.

Yes but it's not just about what you want. The Lib Dems are representing the people who voted for them, people like me, and good on them.

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Whatever happens we are going to be having another election within a short space of time because whomever the Lib Dems hook up with, eventually they will cease to see eye to eye snd withdraw their support.

To think that we will have to go through the whole process again and there are no guarantees that this won't happen again..

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I think that, amongst other things, the financial state of both New Labour and the Lib Dems means that they won't be wanting another enormously costly election too soon.

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Indeed.

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GB gets another finger prised off the top job. :tu:

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According to the Beeb large bags are being loaded into cars at the back of Dowing Street.

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Tory/Lib Dem alliance it is. Cameron becomes PM tomorrow I guess.

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:woot:

The shredders will have been on overdrive all day, just in case anything needed 'accidentally' disposed of.

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:wavey:

:woot:

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thats no way to describe Harriet harperson.;)

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Actually it sounds like those weren't the Browns' stuff. Probably the weekend's Nokias off for recycling.

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Mandelson's smug grin appears to have wiped off his face as he was getting in to a car in Downing street a few moments ago.

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Interesting comments by a German journalist (don't know his name) on the Beeb. Coalition talks in Germany after the last election lasted 40 days. People in the UK are not used to these talks, but the way it looks now, it'll be over in super-quick time.

He also remarked that there is no reason to get nervous over it. In effect, civil servants run the country and make sure everything keeps ticking over.

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The reports of Brown's long overdue and gratifying resignation today bring a whole new meaning to his the term which unintentionally revealed his true face to the electorate - 'bigot'

Brown Is Gone On Tuesday

:woot: :woot: :cleader: :cleader:

Goodbye Gordon, how on earth will the 'world' cope without your leadership and prudence??.... :rolleyes:

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Yep, apparently Belgum went without a government for over 200 days and the world didn't stop spinning :)

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Too true :mad:

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Yes after what it seems was he and Campbell's desperate unilateral attempt to cobble together a wholly unedifying deal with the Lib Dems he's looking just a tad gutted.... :D :D


Some people do like to smear the Tories (and some deserve it) but honesty Mandelson, Campbell and so many other New Labour henchmen are just slime personified....

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Where's this 'Breaking News' then?
All I hear is some commentary leading up to something that might happen at 6pm,. Couldn't the news teams have waited for an hour.

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http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standa...or-lib-dems.do

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It's started already, 500,000 public sector jobs are to go.

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That's not what I heard. What I heard was fixed 4 year parliaments, no income tax on wages under 10k, no increase in inheritance tax threshold, and Nick Clegg as deputy PM.

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They'll be gordon brown's assistants - so nothing to worry about. :D

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Look you can drop the spin

Read my lips

LABOUR LOST because they have messed this country up and now someone else will have to fix it. No amount of ******** being spouted by you will change that.

Its interesting that you continue what Labour are good at and that's lies.

Thankfully we don't have to put up with brown or his lying rabble any more.

By the way care to show some evidence for you bull excreta that shows it was the Tory's that decided to get rid of those people. ???????

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At least some have to. Contrary to the pre-election rhetoric whichever party was in some had to go, just the timing and to a more limited extent the scale which would have been different. It very simply isn't an option to hike up the tax burden sufficiently to cover the total expense, it'd cripple the economy.

I'm sorry to say you can thank Labour for that - they shouldn't have hired them to the public sector in the first place and a perfect demonstration that they went too far with the public sector expansion. Even wiping out the exceptional items from the deficit there's still a structural one of nearly 100bn.

For all the wittering on about how much the public sector are better off thanks to Labour the very simple fact is the public sector don't pay the bills, the private sector do. Taxation is harmful to the private sector so a balance has to be struck and adding an extra 8% or more to our tax burden would be too much.

The thing that is noteworthy about posts talking about how much better off the public sector is and jobs coming and going ignores that the private sector is the section of the economy that pays the bills. The private sector has taken the brunt of the recession, jobs lost and pay frozen, why should the public sector be immune to this and have the private sector pay for them to be immune?

That said I am unfortunately speaking logically, which won't really wash when it hits the ideology that's blinding you to it.

In one paragraph, 2 sentences: The public sector is too large for the private sector to support it. The cost of the public sector must be reduced as it's not possible to raise taxation enough to support it, which will necessarily involve public sector job losses.

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BREAKING NEWS: (so no link yet)

Brown to quit as PM tonight ot early tomorrow

According to sky news

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My wife has just had her contract cancelled along with 50 others by the Education Department. They have been told there are massive cuts coming up in the Public Sector within the next few weeks.

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The Guardian has an interesting photo of Nick Clegg's notes

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How can the tories have done this or passed this if there not in power, Labour lies again.
BTW keep taking the medicine for your over worked imagination

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better make sure that your ornaments etc are stored safely ,as i expect the Earth to wobble when Brown announces he's off, millions of people jumping into the air and shouting YES will have a large impact on the planets orbit .

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I will be one of them trust me.

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So the Tories did a perfect job did they?

They sold off loads of industries, which are now having to be bought back under the govenment/public contrrol

Some of these industries have been cannibalised and moved overseas.

etc etc

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Or because of the fact the TOries are going to screw us all, and its from people jumping of buildings, to escape the nightmare of the tories running the country, and giving money to the rich at the expense of the lower classes.

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I must've missed the bit of his post that claims the Tories did a perfect job. He just stated, quite accurately, that Labour did a bad one.

At least that's what having to fire a large proportion of the public sector workers they hired due to the budget deficit they presided over would imply. No-one can claim everything they did was bad, doesn't change that they simply poured our money down the toilet pursuing the wrong agenda and we'll all have to pay for in different ways.

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So what has Labour been doing these last 3 terms of office other than destroying the economy, Sending soldiers to war on a lie, increasing taxes Etc Etc

oh btw Jumping off building my arse

I have a nice bottle of wine here ready to toast the end of Labour. :clap:

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http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Pol...nister_To_Quit

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You are blinded by ideology. When you can wake up and look calmly and sanely at things we'll all be better off in this discussion. If you think the Lib Dems would be on board for that you're mad but I suspect you'd be giving the same rhetoric if anyone bar Labour had won.

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i'm as working class as the next man and i vote tory ,i no longer live on a council estate i own my own house it not a grand place by any means but i worked for it ,and on a humble wage .

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You elitist. You're a traitor to the working class.

As am I actually. Brought up by a truck driver and a barmaid I've had the nerve to work my way up to where I can live in one of the most affluent areas of the country.

I even pay top rate tax. I feel so guilty.

Reverse snobbery is just so lame.

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Well let's hope that both bedmates can see eye to eye for the next 4-5 years then..;)

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Jesus you really are a Mod Edit of the highest order aren't you?

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Its Bigot, Remember thats the labour way :LOL:

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You can always tell when the plot has been lost. People start swearing.

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Well who wants more of this... ;) Having said that, the Tories are in a far healthier position financially to mount another campaign so it wouldn't necessarily be the end of the world for them.

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But you're forgetting what Thatcher did FGS!!! Let's face it these job cuts are all her fault and nothing whatsoever to do with the profiligacy and ineptitude of the government we've been so fortunate to have for the last 13 years.. :rollyeyes:

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Correct but of course some people live in that alternative universe known as Myopius Deludus where state spending is virtually uncontrolled, money can be printed, revenue doesn't have to be earned and debts don't have to be repaid. They're natural bedfellows of New Labour here in the real world...

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:doh:

I forgot its all Maggy Thatchers fault, what was i thinking.


Sorry everyone :doh:

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Is it just me who thinks the edit was probably more amusing than the original post? :D

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Nope! :D

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They have just placed a podium outside No 10, Looks like its time for Brown to fall on his sword. :clap:

Have i so been waiting for this day :LOL:

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The car that will take him to get his P45 has arrived in Downing Street.

Oh, the sweet, sweet joy.

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Indeed my day has been made :)

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Staff spilling out of the No. 11 front door to watch. Stuff this, I'm off to watch the telly. See you later, once we have a true blue in the PM's chair.

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Here he is ...

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I am recording this for history or should that be infamy

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GB just said goodbye! YEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!

:woot: :woot:

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i'm going to puke
he's brought the kids with him .

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That's that.

Much as I dislike his judgement and think he failed in the job he has still been a PM so deserves grudging respect. His resignation speech was dignified and honest, it was good to hear something more human from the man and immediately brought him up in my judgement.

Next victim *ahem* Prime Minister please!