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I'm rather sick of boasters telling me they've got free (stolen IMO) TV. When is Belfast getting new cards so the freeloaders get kicked off the network?

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I agree with you. Personally I have no strong feelings about the people who pirate their services although I have never done it myself. Any platform that doesn't secure it's services is going to get free-loaders taking advantage. It's the people who try and justify it that annoy me or get angry because VM is at last doing something about it.

As for them lowering prices or upping speeds well taking all the free-loaders off the system should certainly allow them more leeway to do that. The people paying little or nothing for their services certainly does not help the company to improve and expand.

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The services were encrypted in a way that anyone trying to get passed the encryption had to alter or buy non-standard equipment. So in the eyes of the law VM did all they needed to do. So why blame VM for other peoples actions??

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The blame essentially rests with the people who stole their services Kymmy. I'm just saying that any service provider that doesn't keep it's services secure will pick up some freeloaders. I'm not having a pop at VM though Kymmy, I don't know why they didn't bring in a new encryption system earlier but it was probably down to prioritising available funds.

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KT15 (part of Surrey) got the messages last night for new cards being sent out. This rollout is sure taking it's time.

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Anyone know if BT postcodes will be soon?

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Sure is, its 2 years since the thread opened!:)

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It will finish this year though.:D

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ive heard that the new cards will be issued soon but thats all mate

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Thing is, they've already got around Nagra 3 in Germany for Sky so when the need is there someone will bring out a "chipped" box for the UK market. If people want to hack something and use it for free then they will.
Not saying that I condone it at all, I happily pay for my V+ service but thinking Nagra 3 will prevent chipped boxes is just incorrect. The current boxes may stop working but I give it 3-6 months tops after full nationwide rollout that a new box is available.

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Is there a link available so say nagra 3 has been cracked in germany? as far as i knew it had not yet been cracked anywhere,anyhow as far as i know vm are not just relying on nagra 3 alone,i thought the encryption vm are changing to is a nagra 3 variant, although i have no proof that is the case.

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The are plenty of these stories around and apart from card sharing it is just fairy stories because if it had happened then the USA would have it cracked as well.

Believe what you want but the are plenty of thieves out there that have lost their stolen services because of the rollout by Virginmedia and many of the sellers are desperate to unload their stock before it all goes belly up.

I rather doubt that any crack will suddenly appear just because the UK has got NAGRA3 as we are only a small player in a large pond with regards to Digital Television.

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Already proved wrong when exactly the same thing was said about Nagra3 for the D+ sats, all the dodgy sat/CAM dealers were saying that it would be weeks and then we'll be back up and running.. 3 years later and Nagra3 is going strong along with many more sat/cable suppliers now using it. In fact VM is one of the last to use an older system with a few still using the latest Videoguard (Sky NDS system) that has also been strong for a long long time...

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I got a Taxi home from Glasgow airport last night. The taxi driverwas telling me that VM have shot themself in the foot as most of his fellow taxi drivers that had dodgey boxes are now signing up for Sky.

Not sure how much of a percentage most is but I'd guess that VM would be the winners if even a small percentage of the theives had to start paying for the service.

Overall I'd expect Sky to be the biggest winners. Some of the thieves will be used to Pay TV, and particulary the Premium Sports, so Sky will be getting the subs either way.

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Nagra 3 in Germany will be a total different variant than the one in the uk. Plus its not hacked in Germany.

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I believe the take-up rate of "new" VM subs is good, so both Sky and VM will be winners.

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I agree. I believe that VM don't actually make much money out of the Sky sports and movies package though. Those thieves that can afford the premium channels (most in my experience) will be contributing to Sky for those whether they get a legit subscription for VM or Sky.

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There still going strong in Newport.

Will also have all the HD channels.

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I had a friend who had V+ and a normal box with everything, and the only thing he used his naughty box for were the PPV like boxing or wrestling.

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My mates got 3 of them lol!!

Got his own tang going on multiroom.

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Whether they get used to it or not, I doubt they are suddenly going to pay for the full package on Sky just because they can no longer get it for free on Virgin.

And lets be honest, the main reason most Cable TV freeloaders pay for even a basic subscription is so they can ensure some engineer working in the cabinet doesn't unplug their cable because his PDA is telling him it's not used. Sky don't have that protection. You crack Sky's encryption, you have access to their services that no one can remove.

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I wish I had a pound for every time I had read N3 had been cracked. I wouldn't take any bets on it being cracked in three months either. It's been around a while and it's still secure and it is a far more advanced encryption system than N1 and N2. I will stick my neck out and say that the encryption variant VM use will still not be cracked in three years let alone three months.

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I reckon they will ass crack N3 in 4 or 5 or 6 or 7 or 13 years.

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You'd think if someone was stealing cable for all those years when the time did come to pay you'd go with virgin to give them something back

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I suspect a thief with a conscience is a concept of mythology.

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*Music* You wouldn't steal a car would you, you wouldn't break into someones house!

LOL...

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There's a few I know who will pay and they can well afford it. They're used to having their mates round to watch the footy on the 50" TV (the one they bought off a guy in the pub - no questions asked ;)) They're used to being able to dispatch their kids to their bedrooms to watch TV. The kids aren't going to take kindly to freeview so they'll have to pay for multiple boxes too. :D

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No.

I've got a fairly diverse sense of humour but you'll have to explain the "LOL" to me.... or is it a humorous attempt to distinguish different types of dishonesty. :rolleyes:

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Yeah I had 2 chipped boxes for over three years. Now I've gone legit and subscribed for sky sports and movies, xl tv etc. Before I was just on the min sub £11 a month.

When you've had all those channels you get used to having them, be hard to go back to freeview.

I used to have full sub before, then a mate got me a chipped box. It saved money, so made sense.

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Virgin Media and Sky are luxuries... if you can't afford them or the higher packages then you go without. Simples. :)

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It's off the advert on dvds against piracy.

I was messing aboout..

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It's not that I couldn't afford it, I've got it now. It's just people love free things.

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Side issue - did you not find that the quality on the dodgy boxes was *horrible*? I saw one plugged into a friend-of-a-friend's plasma and it was utterly rank. No way I'd watch it on a 32", let alone a 46". Plus your sig seems to indicate you care about AV quality about as much as I do...

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I know 2 people with those starview boxes and the picture on both is absolutely horrendous, just plain crap tbh. Reminds me of the days of trying to watch a video after a dodgy VCR had "munched" on it.

I know more than 2, I've seen two set ups. Think Vm would pay me to snitch?

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i know a guy wit the hd eurovox and its a pretty excellent picture

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good or bad, it simply won't be a picture for long.. Unless you like watching films showing bats in a blacked out cave with no lights ;)

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I had the Eurovox HD box picture was awesome.

Yes I love AV.

I'd just like to say it's not that bad having a dodgy box its just people like having things for free. I payed for top package before dodgy box and then went to £11 min sub when I had dodgy box. Now I've got the top package again, even know my dodgy box is still working.

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Hey, I like bats! Do VM do a bat detector to go with this new feature?

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Yep, it doubles as a viewing card, you insert the card and it magically allows you to view the bats

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Even though we now have new cards in stoke on trent dont think they have flicked the switch yet as i heard one of the guys at work say he watched the darts last night upstairs on his dodgy box.Surley we are not far off digital fanatic or ben?.

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When they deliver the cards, they wait a few weeks to turn off the old systems

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Right we have had ours now about a month.

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FYI, you've have misspelled 'receiver' twice in your signature:-

• 'I' before 'E' except after 'C' or when pronounced 'A' as in 'neighbour' and 'weigh' (or 'E' as in 'their' and 'heir' ...).

From your friendly local pedantry police!

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Well, not working for virgin, I don't have the exact timetable..

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The old system will only be turned off when all replacement cards have been sent out in your area and the majority have been activated, you will know soon enough.

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scIEnce

English is so full of exceptions its a wonder it has become the lingua franca. Or maybe it's because it's so full that you can adapt it however you want.

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Receive is still spelt incorrectly though ;)

It amazes me how many people still spell things wrong especially on a web page with its inbuilt spell checker.;)

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I presume you mean this site? If so where's the inbuilt spell checker?

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I meant my browser Firefox which automatically checks spellings as should IE and most other browsers, puts the pretty red dots under mistakes and a right click gives you the other spelling options to choose from.;)

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Spell checker on this site is ( on mine at any rate) just a right click away!:doh:

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In otherwords there is no inbuilt spellchecker..

The site spellchecker relies on the user installing ieSpell which then does the checking. As for firefox that means sod all as well over 60% of users still use Internet Explorer

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Lets not get too bogged down on spelling!.

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I did not specify this site, I just said web page and mine works on every web page regardless.

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Undoubtedly. However, we may well be using Nagravision 4 or 5 by then, or another encryption system totally.


Doesn't mean they'll pay for the package though. They may just go far a hacked sky card.


On another, unrelated note: Guys, the subject of the thread is chipped cable boxes. Can we stop discussing spelling and different spell checkers?

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Congrats for having yours set up that way just please remember that now everyone does have that feature or even bothers to use that feature

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I'll watch for new satellite dishes appearing. :D They may be too busy on their expensive foreign holidays to have done their homework on hacked sky card.

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There are more exceptions to this rule, so it carp.

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I'm still waiting for my cards.

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<Major OT>
Hence the '...' at the end of my non-exhaustive list of exceptions. Probably the 'sc' in 'science' is considered a diphthong (look it up yourself!) so the rule doesn't apply.

You'd think the 'lingua franca' would be French. :rolleyes:

I use Google Chrome as my primary browser these days as it seems to have a lot of features for a smaller memory footprint than Firefox. I only use IE these days when I hit a site which insists on using IE-specific ASP code. Anyway, Chrome also has a built-in spell checker which can be tailored to the appropriate flavo(u)r of English but it's really annoying not having spell-checking in Outlook Express without installing MS Office.
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I never switched it on at all it just works that way.;)

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<Still OT>
Sorry all, I couldn't resist just one more. Typing 'now' instead of 'not' is really common in forums and I can't understand why. The letters 'T' and 'W' aren't that close on either a QWERTY or an AZERTY keyboard so it must be some mass psychological dysfunction. :eek: Super sorry, Kymmy! ;) Either that or there are more Dvořák Simplified Keyboards (where 'T' and 'W' are adjacent) out there than I thought.
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Right now back on topic.

Does anyone know of or heard of a dodgy box going off at all, as knowing the areas affected would make interesting reading.:D:D:D

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I don't associate with the kind of person who would have such a thing so I can't help you there.

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Some people may hear about such things from friends no need to know them personally.;)

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I don't have friends who associate with that kind of person either!

No wise cracks about me not having (m)any friends! :rolleyes:

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I don't know if this has been asked before, but does anyone know if there is an estimate to the number of Chipped Boxes that were in use and how much it has cost Virgin?.If you go on certain Forums you would think Virgin were the Villans, being refered to as Vermin and Sky as Sly, they are all looking for a crack to Nagra, hope it never happens, my Internet is a lot faster now that all my thieving neighbours have had to go legal!

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Uddingston switched over at the end of last week and the trucks have went through the roof with people plugging in the legit boxes for the 1st time in years and finding the power supplys are going etc. Techs have been offered overtime to get the lead times down.

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That's my area. I'll be watching even more closely for dishes appearing now. :D

Just had a thought. We're getting a second v+ box installed on Saturday. I wonder if those who don't know us think we're thieves finally going legit when the see the VM van outside our house.

Having said that we only ordered it on Saturday so 1 week is pretty good for an installation.

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A friend of mine has one and they're still working round here but we've only had the cards a couple or so weeks, though I notice that one of the neighbours has had a motorised dish installed possibly in preparation, hmmmm :D

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Lets look at the facts.

Big businesses rip off customers all the time. Yes

The public robbing the services do so at their own risk. Yes

Dont do the crime if you can't do the time. Yes

Don't feel guilty if you rob their services,they dont feel guilty robbing you. Yes

Don't whine and moan about people robbing the services just because your in an area that doesn't support cable and your can't rob the services yourself! lol

And join the ride

P.S I dont watch Sky/VM or much TV in general but I hate big corporate businesses taking us all for a ride. Good look to the thieves. Also if everyone got rid of their chipped boxes and joined Virgin if you think Virgin would think thanks guys we will knock £5 off everyones package price then your on cloud cuckoo land.

Get real

If it can be made and designed by one HUMAN it can be replicated and stolen!

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VM have the 2 months free TV offer, so yes and then some ;)

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Now lets look at the true facts...

Premium TV is not a right it's an option. If you don't like the option then don't get it installed... If you don't like the company then don't get it installed..

If you do get it via an illegal method then you are a criminal, no judge is going to let you use any of the above as a defence.. No one has forced you to break the law that is your choice so accept any consequences..

As for the final "If it can be made and designed by one HUMAN it can be replicated and stolen" it really does show how little people know about encryption systems, yes it probably can be broken but even with todays super computers it would take a few days for each key, pity the key is changed at least 3 times a day :D :D

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I bet he's one of those hit and run characters we sometimes see.

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OK
True, but stealing from them does nothing to cure the problem. You want to make a complaint about being ripped off, do so through proper channels.
True.
All that achieves is making you as bad as them.

And what happens when too many people steal services? Look up On Digital.

Do I believe they would do that? No, not really. However, I know that if you were truly against "corporate business taking us all for a ride" rather than just an opportunist hoping for some free or cheap tv and trying to justify it, then you would not watch TV. At all.
Get real
True. Does not make it right though.

I remember a phrase I learned when younger.. Just because you can do a thing, it does not mean you should do that thing.

I could go down the road, break into the rather large Renault dealership down the road, steal a car and drive off. It doesn't mean I should do that, or that it is right for me to do so.

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One post and minus four reputation - is that a record? I think that post got what it deserved ;) :tu:

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Channel 997 has reappeared in Birmingham. No on screen message but it looks like someone's days are numbered!

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Getting the on screen message in Kettering. I wonder how much of the country remains to be done.

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Nothing yet here in South Wales!

People are still buying dodgy boxes in my local club and when I tell them they will be useless soon all I get is a mouthfull!

One of the sellers tells me that because they are "euro" boxes the new cards do not effect them.

I hope they are wrong.

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Well, Cambridge and surrounding areas are still to be done - no indications as of yet when cards will show here.

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Cambridge and Swansea start getting cards this week

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Cool.. Thanks for that info, Ben! :D

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At last :cleader::cleader::cleader:

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Yep they are as wrong as a wrong thing from the planet wrong :D

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Well if you had a shed full of dodgy boxes what else would you be telling the gullible want it for nothings.:D

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still nothing in belfast i began warning people months ago to stop buying dodgy boxes and they now think im fibbing or even working for virgin lol

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Let them buy them and then wait and see the fall out when they start to moan and get angry as they were most proberbly told that what VM and other people were saying were lies:D

THEN GLOAT

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the reason being that on certain forums you cant say virgin or sky or you will get banned..its a way to get around the forums rules...a bit like saying virgin media is s***e<<<< u will notice now because i replaced hit with stars i have now escapped the rules of this forum and the swear filter...summit like that

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Slight hint, the swear filter on CF is not a way round the rules and we still infract for such usage. ;) Especially when the meaning and intent is clear

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It's a good job that two wrongs don't make a right ;)

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First channels drop in Manchester today ;)

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:cleader:

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Looks like Swansea is due, just got a message about the new card on my STB.

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Yes they are on there way.;)

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:clap: :clap:

I know someone who will be mighty ****ed off shortly because of this :LOL:

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Someone you know.;)

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May be coincidental but is this what caused my V+ to reboot at 6am this morning?

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No that just happens occasionally for no apparent reason, only worry if it is constantly rebooting.;)

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Yep brags in the pub about his boxes.

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:D:D:D

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My neighbour called me a prat yesterday for paying for cable. I told him months ago that the boxes he sells won't work soon yet they still work months after getting our new cards.
He seems to think that a new box has been made something to do with account sharing. Anyways he thinks he's got a full proof way of still stealing cable and his new box beats encryptions.
He's gonna look the prat when his full proof plan doesn't work, just a matter of time.

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My neighbour called me a prat yesterday for paying for cable. I told him months ago that the boxes he sells won't work soon yet they still work months after getting our new cards.
He seems to think that a new box has been made something to do with account sharing. Anyways he thinks he's got a full proof way of still stealing cable and his new box beats encryptions.
He's gonna look the prat when his full proof plan doesn't work, just a matter of time.

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Your neighbour is the prat but unfortunately he is right. Even after the new encryption is in place there is a way to steal - it's called card sharing. I hope that Virgin Media will make it their next job to stop this too.

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Wouldn't that mean that someone will have to agree to allow them access to their account that they pay for? Seems stupid for them to pay full price and let someone else steal from you. He said something about being able to watch what I'm watching.

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they wont pay full price though will they they will charge