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Trust me, I'm as big an England fan as anyone, but Russ has got a point. While I don't think that we've got a rubbish team, you have to take into account the fact that we just don't seem to perform - look at the recent (appalling) match against Sweden :( .

One of the problems that England has is that, unfortunately, since Shearer retired, we haven't had anybody who scores enough - Owen is a great player but, unless you team him with another goal scorer, it just doesn't happen (and apologies to Heskey fans but, until Sven decides where to play him, either up front or on the wing, he won't get any better).

As it stands, I would say that England have maybe 3 world class players in Beckham, Gerrard and Owen and, particularly until we sort out the left wing (Gareth Barry anyone?), teams like France and Italy will continue to beat us (although, to be honest, I wouldn't fear the Germans right now).

By contrast, the Welsh national team has some fantastically gifted players (Giggs, Savage (although I hate him), Bellamy, Speed etc) and actually seem to play more like a team - let's face it, it's almost universally accepted that Wales are one of the best teams who haven 't qualified for the tournaments for decades.

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The problem is with the Welsh FA who couldn't organise the proverbial drink-up, whereas England have got the backing of the FA, and have some truly exceptional players, so where's it going wrong?

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Well Wales may still get there, very slim chance but it would be fantastic if they did. article

Just noticed the Russian players name. A good job he wasn't Welsh, he could have been called, Ivor Titov.:D

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I'd be very surprised if the Welsh FA succeed with the appeal - if I remember correctly, Titov was suspended anyway when he tested positive (or at least he wasn't playing at the time), so I can't really see how these grounds would work.

I think it's a shame though, as I said in my earlier post, Wales are probably the most gifted team not to have qualified.

BTW - Ivor Titov??? :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

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I really hope the appeal fails. I want my national team to get to Portugal on merit, not a technicality.

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i think england may do better than most people imagine at the euro championships.......
we have as good team as any of the other nations , no team is outstanding.......
we will get to the semis at least
my flag of st george is cleaned and ready and waiting to go on my car roof for the duration........bring it on

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the u's are unbelievable close to the play off spot right now we just need are luck to hold for that bit longer


Edited to say


**** just seen we are 2-1 down if every thing gose are way in the other games and we don't win than that's it for this year :mad:

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relegation for leicester and wolves are on the brink.......
wonder who else will take the drop?

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leeds it has to me tham !!!!! there's no way in hell thay can stay up now :tu:

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My money is on Leeds as well, that would leave six Lancashire clubs in the Premiership and none from Yorkshire, what a shame.:pp

going down going down !!!!
 

there 3-1 down now i think it's safe to say leeds will be playing div 1 football
next seson !!!!!!!

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Citeh, Spurs and Everton can breathe a sigh of relief then. ;)

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ALEX FERGUSON wants to sign Alan Smith AND Mark Viduka this summer

:eek: Don't mind Viduka but no way should they sign Alan Smith :nono:

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you can have smith , viduka to the boro i reckon ;) :D :D :D

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:knock: :knock: oi, hands off

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Nice to see the vultures circling. ;) :D

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no ;)


edit : - was there any need to get the :ninja: out :D :D :D :D :D

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Not really but had to make sure you understood the message oops:

Viduka for OT
Smith for Boro

:handshake:

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never , the boro would never sign that dirty piece of wh!te *****e :disturbd: :disturbd: :disturbd: :disturbd:

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i do feel sorry for the fans thay are the only ones at the club who deserve are pitty

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Just a thought, are Middlesbrough in Yorkshire? If so we will have to get them out next season.

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I don't think they are :shrug: (waits to be corrected ;) )

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Durham perhaps ?

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The answer is - Here :)

Technically there is only one team left in the prem from Lancashire since Bolton and The 2 Manchesters are in Greater Manchester and the 2 Liverpools are in Merseyside leaving Blackburn. :)

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Teeside - ask Paulyoung666, when you've stopped fighting over Viduka ;)


<edit> actually I'm very confused now, I looked at Julian's link & went off to try to find a few others, the conclusion I came to is that the way the 'counties' have been mucked about with makes finding the correct information very hard.

- round here we went from Lincolnshire to Humberside & then to North East Lincolnshire, although the Police & Fire Services are still Humberside :shrug:

- so Julian's link looks like the answer, unless any one has any other info - Paulyoung666, Handyman, Bopdude, where are you, help :erm: :D

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spot on my mate :tu: , as i come from stockton , technically i am in durham , @debs you can have smith , just let the boro have viduka ;) :D :D :D :D

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Seeing as though it's Sunday night and I'm in a good mood, the Boro can have Smith and Robbie Savage, can't say fairer that that :shrug: :D ;)

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I had just finished my edit & there you were :) Thanks Paul :tu:

- and just to say Grimsby Town still could go down, even after winning their last home game, today. Having the worst goal difference doesn't help us much here :(

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Wow, Leeds finally did go down. Shame but a lesson for clubs who think they can do a Man united and buy a team. Man united still have a good manager and the abitly to spend. Arsenal have spent the least out of the top 7 teams in the premiership over the last few years and they won. Chelsea spent millions upon millions and they didn't. It takes more than money to win the title or in some cases a good manager with a eye to talent requires no money :)

Leeds tried to buy there way to the top and down they go.

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Well the vast majority of people never wanted those stupid regional changes to council and municipal boundaries and names, so as far as I and the massive majority of people are concerned we have always lived in Lancashire, those six teams are still and always have been in Lancashire. The Lancashire County Cricket team play matches in Manchester & Liverpool.
That also means that historically Middlesbrough are in Yorkshire, no true Yorkshireman would ever recognise government imposed border tinkering, once a Tyke, always a Tyke.

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I agree Jim. My wife comes from a town( the biggest one in Britain allegedly) which has been swallowed up by Greater Manchester - she is a Lancashire lass tho' :)

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So now, after reading the posts and links, I'm totally confused - what couty is it in :confused:

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dose it matter NO !!! this is a football thread not a where in the world post

any how geting back on topic what dose the futuure hold for leeds will thay come right back up to the premiership or spend a Couple years in div one

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Don't think that matters either,;) :D Perhaps we could put discussions about Leeds and football in the Non Sequitur thread.:pp

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That would be "where in the UK", not "where in the world" :dozey: - and when did you get appointed as thread watcher ? - ask yourself this - given your track record in the forums so far - is upsetting mods a wise choice ;)

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I would have to say that historically ( and that is what really matters ) it is still in Yorkshire, not some QUANGO created authority called Teeside.

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correct :tu:

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Good Ol' Arsenal

Obviously it pays to have someone on the inside pulling strings :erm:

Link

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What a shame;) , I have to go back to do a full days work, just 14 hours after finishing the previous one. Three days rest not enough, poor things.:rolleyes:

PS. That goes for all overpaid footballers, not just Arsenal.

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Hang on, a few seasons back when United wanted this sort of thing, weren't we derided as 'moaners'?

And didn't Wenger disagree with the idea?

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Exactly Russ !!!!!!

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You know thats a perfectly good cause many other teams have pointed this out.

Why is it people keep trying to discredit us whenever we win something. We won because we where the best this season and we didn't even have to spend anything near the amount Chelsea and man u do

If you want to keep taking away from arsenal victory can you at least provide some actual reasons?

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So why did Wenger tell SAF to 'put or shut up' a few years back when United wanted the fixtures changed?

It's called DOUBLE STANDARDS - now that Arsenal seem to have thrown together a decent side, they want all the things United have wanted over the last 10 years, such as consessions from the FA to ease fixture congestion.

See above.

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Football at that speed is a lot more physically demanding than it looks on TV. You go watch a match live and see the speeds and the fouls its quite hard. It would tire you out. and we have wanted less fixture congestion for a while now, we where one of the leading teams to try and get a christmas break and we wanted this long before man u did

And no russ and yesman thats not actually what happened but its often changed to suit man united when they need to complain about us. for a start this applies to ALL teams not just arsenal and we are not asking for a huge change that man united wanted for gods sake chelsea dont do this they accepted your win and admitted we deserved to win. Bloody bad losers

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Really?? I think you need to check up on your facts young sir.

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I very much doubt that he will allow "facts" to be considered. After all he thinks that winning a trophy 3 times makes it "Our Trophy", yet winning it 8 times, once whilst winning the FA Cup & Champions League at the same time is somehow conveniently forgotton.:erm:

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It is all relative, training, treatment, diet etc are all vastly improved these days, but to say that players are too tired to play 90 minutes of football every three days is a load of Ball Kocks. I work six days a week and even though I am the wrong side of 50, still play 3 or 4 games of squash to a decent standard every week.
you may be too tired, but I would certainly not be.:Sprint:

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Quiz !!!!!!!

Which football team won the FA Cup without having football league status ?

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Blackburn Rovers ???

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Nope, sorry Debs

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Southport

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Nope !!!!!

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To be pedantic, Blackburn Rovers were a non league team when they won it. The football league was not in existance :D :rolleyes:

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Thats not what I have here gazzae...........

A clue is, it followed the formation of the football league

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you prolly have Spurs, the last non-league team to win after the creation of the football league.

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Correct.

1901
Spurs win the FA Challenge Cup to become the only non-League club, following the formation of the Football League in 1888, ever to achieve this honour.

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ok try this one for size

in Which year did Oxford win the League cup and who was it Against :)

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1985-86 Oxford United beat Queens Park Rangers 3-0 :D

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What team did Cambridge United replace when they were elected to the Football League in 1970 ?

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ok where did you look it up yesman :) hay we have won more silverware than
most premiership clubs :tu: :clap:

bradford park avenue :tu:

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Here :D

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Correct !!!!!!

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your turn for the question sda ;)

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read my lips

Oxford will go up next seson


and yes you can quote me on that !!!!!!

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who was the first black player to play for england

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Viv Anderson ??

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yep that's right !!!!!

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where your lips saying "rubbish" when you where typing that ;)

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then comes the kryptonite.........

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Right, these should be fairly easy..

Question 1
There are currently 3 clubs within the football league with the letter "x" in their name, who are they ?

Question 2
There is one football club who have never been relegated from top flight football. Which Club ? (this includes the premiership and the old division 1)

I won't be back on here until this evening, but I am assuming you will have posted the correct answers by then.

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1. Oxford United and Wrexham are 2 of them - I'm guessing that you're including the Conference as part of the league, which would also include Exeter :)

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Just popped back home (forgot something :erm: )

Two of your teams are correct, and no the conference is not part of it, so there is one more in the Football League.

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D'oh!! Must pay more attention to what teams are actually called :dunce: - the third one will be Crewe Alexandra then :dozey: :)

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I believe the answer to No: 2 is arsenal

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I think it is arsenal, We have always been there. In fact i think it was us and everton which where the main makers of a 1st division national league

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Why do we only have one topic for football? I mean lets be honest football is huge and I am sure there are people who want too talk more in depth.

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Arsenal must have had friends in high places that long ago, they were actually promoted to Division 1 in 1919 (I think) after only finishing fifth in Division 2, but it was decided that they should be promoted as a reward for their long service to the league.

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Not exactly we founded the 1st division along with a few other clubs and so we put ourselves in there along with those teams. It was nothing to do with a reward.

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FACT UPDATE:

We have been relegated, in 1913 i believe. But where soon back up in 1919 as the 1st division was to be expanded and arsenal where chosen to go into there instead of spurs.

We are the only team to be in the premiership without being promoted there.

So I dont know which team has never gone down but i am guessing everton now

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You what??? And its usually Man Utd fans accused of knowing nothing about their teams history!

The founding clubs are Preston North End, Bolton Wanderers, Everton, Burnley, Accrington, Blackburn Rovers, Aston Villa, West Bromwich Albion, Wolverhampton Wanderers, Notts County, Derby County and Stoke.
The league was founded in 1888.

Arsenal, or Woolwich Arsenal as I think they were called then, were elected to the second divison in 1893.

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crewe alexandria are one of the teams with an x in their name.. not sure on the other 2 though..

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I corrected myself in the later post.

http://www.arsenal-world.co.uk/news/...l.asp?CID=ED21

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They should have called it the Lancashire and Midlands league, no sign of any southern jessies back then.;)

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Hmmm - that article says:

I found this on www.thegooner.com:

I remember reading about this in the Sunday paper a few weeks ago - it basically shows that the only reason Arsenal were promoted instead of Spurs was because of Norris' backhanders, bribes and potential blackmail :shocked:

Oh well - anybody else want to accuse Arsenal of dodgy dealing with the FA :naughty: ;)

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Thats true but it was over 70 years ago before football was as it is now

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:rofl: :rofl:

Erm...yes.....(ahem)....there's no corruption in football anymore is there......?

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Not over here, There isnt that much compared to other sports

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We're not talking about 'other sports'?

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Ah so you agree with what I said earlier now then?

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I agree that we where lucky to get picked but that was a year after the first would war its quite a while ago ya know

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So they got in through corruption....and according to this, a team like the Arse could have success which owes a lot to corruption too.

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Correct !!!!!!!!!

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How on earth does that apply to arsenal?!

How on earth can you say we are successful though corruption? We won because we played excellent football. If you remember its man united who got in trouble recently for dealing with agents not Arsenal. We never have enough money to spend loads on players

Stop trying to discredit Arsenal, are you man united fans? Before you say we benfited from that agents what about this

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...td/3443919.stm

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Correct !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Where did I say that?

Where did I say that?

*cough*

What trouble did we get in to?


"Trying"??? Come on, it's not hard :pp

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Arsenal have been in trouble before over bungs to agents.

That said I'm pretty sure most clubs are involved in it.

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Next Question.

Name the only player that has won the FA Cup in consecutive years but with different clubs ?

Its worth a rep if you get it ;)

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Just chill!

If you've read the article (which I assume you have), it's saying that any number of clubs could potentially be using 'corrupt' methods when it comes to new players.

It doesn't matter which team you support - I support Villa, and there were allegations against John Gregory when he was manager - at the end of the day, until transfers are made completely openly, there always the chance that someone's going to try to make a fast buck.

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Here is a interesting question... I can only get two, don't know if there even is a third!...

Name three players who have won the European Championship, European Cup, Premiership and FA Cup, and who also played in the Premiership during 2002/03 season.