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Mr K 01-09-2019 21:37
Re: PM Boris forms a government
 
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49541942
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Brexit: Gove won't commit to abide by law to block no deal
So the UK Govt. won't agree not to break the law. Well that's 'carte blanche' for the rest of us ! #chaos

Pierre 01-09-2019 21:44
Re: PM Boris forms a government
 
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36008347)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49541942


So the UK Govt. won't agree not to break the law. Well that's 'carte blanche' for the rest of us ! #chaos
He said he can’t comment on it, as he doesn’t know what it is.

E.g. would you commit to obey every law, before you knew what it was?

What if the next law passed was people with K. In their name would be castrated by a hungry pig?

Mr K 01-09-2019 21:51
Re: PM Boris forms a government
 
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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36008349)
He said he can’t comment on it, as he doesn’t know what it is.

E.g. would you commit to obey every law, before you knew what it was?

What if the next law passed was people with K. In their name would be castrated by a hungry pig?
I don't agree that I can't steal from people, so that law doesn't apply to me ? Tbf he looked distinctly uncomfortable when he heard the crap coming out of his own mouth.

Pierre 01-09-2019 21:55
Re: PM Boris forms a government
 
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36008351)
I don't agree that I can't steal from people, so that law doesn't apply to me ? Tbf he looked distinctly uncomfortable when he heard the crap coming out of his own mouth.
He was asked an impossible question.

Do you agree to be bound by something you have no idea what will be.

Mr K 01-09-2019 21:59
Re: PM Boris forms a government
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36008352)
He was asked an impossible question.

Do you agree to be bound by something you have no idea what will be.
I think he knows what the legislation will be, we all do. No Brexit without a deal. Regardless, the law is the law or you can't expect anyone else to respect the law.

Pierre 01-09-2019 22:14
Re: PM Boris forms a government
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36008353)
I think he knows what the legislation will be, we all do.
Can you do my lottery numbers while you’re at it.

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No Brexit without a deal.
It will be really interesting how they frame that in law..........

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Regardless, the law is the law or you can't expect anyone else to respect the law.
Says the man who has never done 33 mph in a 30......i’m Guessing, St Mr of K. Who has never broken the law, ever.

jfman 01-09-2019 22:16
Re: PM Boris forms a government
 
It's hardly reasonable to say it's an "impossible" question. The law is the law. If they want to challenge the law there's a process for that. If they want to repeal or amend it there's a process too.

The idea of going renegade and ignoring it isn't an impossible question.

Hugh 01-09-2019 22:26
Re: PM Boris forms a government
 
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36008339)
Just to clarify ... are you proposing such a scenario unfolding after a referendum?
For clarity - nein, non, ne, nao, ei, nej, nee, ochi, etc. ;)

Pierre 01-09-2019 22:26
Re: PM Boris forms a government
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36008357)
It's hardly reasonable to say it's an "impossible" question. The law is the law. If they want to challenge the law there's a process for that. If they want to repeal or amend it there's a process too.

The idea of going renegade and ignoring it isn't an impossible question.
Bloody hell, if you don’t know what the law will be, what the actual statute is. How can you have an opinion on it?

Have you all lost your minds?

pip08456 01-09-2019 22:28
Re: PM Boris forms a government
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36008357)
It's hardly reasonable to say it's an "impossible" question. The law is the law. If they want to challenge the law there's a process for that. If they want to repeal or amend it there's a process too.

The idea of going renegade and ignoring it isn't an impossible question.
Nobody said anyone was going to ignore it. How can anyone commit to something that does not exist.

jfman 01-09-2019 22:30
Re: PM Boris forms a government
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36008360)
Bloody hell, if you don’t know what the law will be, what the actual statute is. How can you have an opinion on it?

Have you all lost your minds?
You either agree with the rule of law or you don't. That's hardly a matter of losing one's mind.

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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36008361)
Nobody said anyone was going to ignore it. How can anyone commit to something that does not exist.
He could have said the Government would seek to use every available avenue to challenge it.

Pierre 01-09-2019 22:35
Re: PM Boris forms a government
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36008362)

He could have said the Government would seek to use every available avenue to challenge it.
Why would he seek to challenge it, when it doesn’t yet exist?

Chris 01-09-2019 22:51
Re: PM Boris forms a government
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36008362)
You either agree with the rule of law or you don't. That's hardly a matter of losing one's mind.

---------- Post added at 21:30 ---------- Previous post was at 21:29 ----------



He could have said the Government would seek to use every available avenue to challenge it.
Further to what we were discussing the other day, politicians prefer not to box themselves into corners or make promises circumstances may require them to break. They especially don’t like committing to do or not to do something based on something that hasn’t happened and may not happen. That makes them a hostage to fortune. Marr knew he wouldn’t get a commitment out of Gove when he asked the question. That was quite possibly why he asked it; Minister refuses to rule out lawbreaking is a nice headline for the final Sunday of the silly season. And this year’s has been especially silly.

Of course the government isn’t going to intentionally break the law. But you can bet they will identify every loophole in what will be very rushed and cobbled together legislation and will exploit them, ostensibly in good faith, yet always aware that a judge may rule their actions unlawful at some later point.

1andrew1 01-09-2019 23:04
Re: PM Boris forms a government
 
Latest move to keep rebels in line just announced:
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Tory MPs who support attempts to block a no-deal Brexit will have the party whip withdrawn and barred from standing as Conservative candidates at the next general election.
The dramatic threat to potential rebels is being issued by Tory whips ahead of a critical week in parliament for Boris Johnson's Brexit plans.
https://news.sky.com/story/tory-rebe...drawn-11800021

Hugh 01-09-2019 23:15
Re: PM Boris forms a government
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36008368)
Latest move to keep rebels in line just announced:

Quote:
Tory MPs who support attempts to block a no-deal Brexit will have the party whip withdrawn and barred from standing as Conservative candidates at the next general election.

The dramatic threat to potential rebels is being issued by Tory whips ahead of a critical week in parliament for Boris Johnson's Brexit plans.
https://news.sky.com/story/tory-rebe...drawn-11800021
I wonder if it will be retroactive, so the ERG Tory MPs who defied the Whip will also be de-selected?


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