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RichardCoulter 17-08-2019 13:10
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2019)
 
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36006258)
They're in the business of making money, not harbouring a vendetta over something that happened nearly twenty years ago.
It's not about "harbouring a vendetta", but about trust. Not trusting another party makes it very difficult to do business with them. Perhaps Sky have signed something to make TiVo feel happier about the arrangement??

Anyone who uses Now TV passes and Shops at Tesco might be interested in a post that i've just made here:

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...php?t=33695779

jfman 17-08-2019 13:44
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2019)
 
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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36006303)
It's not about "harbouring a vendetta", but about trust. Not trusting another party makes it very difficult to do business with them. Perhaps Sky have signed something to make TiVo feel happier about the arrangement??

Anyone who uses Now TV passes and Shops at Tesco might be interested in a post that i've just made here:

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...php?t=33695779
Sky have different owners. Tivo have different owners. Anyone still at the company would be harbouring a vendetta if that was driving their decision making for what seems to be using their software on a non-exclusive basis anyway.

RichardCoulter 17-08-2019 15:23
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2019)
 
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36006307)
Sky have different owners. Tivo have different owners. Anyone still at the company would be harbouring a vendetta if that was driving their decision making for what seems to be using their software on a non-exclusive basis anyway.
True, new personnel is often the only way that matters can be settled. It's essentially how the VM disputes with Sky and ITV were settled so that all companies involved could move on.

jfman 17-08-2019 15:54
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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36006318)
True, new personnel is often the only way that matters can be settled. It's essentially how the VM disputes with Sky and ITV were settled so that all companies involved could move on.
It wasn't really. The VM dispute was settled because of the sale of Virgin channels to Sky, in exchange for a fee and a long term carriage arrangement.

The ITV dispute settled because it wasn't viable to keep the largest commercial channel off of the largest TV platform. It's not rocket science.

You are massively overestimating personalities and massively underestimating cold hard cash.

epsilon 17-08-2019 18:02
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Originally Posted by fox35 (Post 36006246)
Indeed, in much the same way that Sky Q uses Tivo software, under license, buried deep within its own firmware operation. So, I'm guessing features which are similar on both VM and Sky boxes, such as Series Link and the Search facilities etc, are Tivo patented and used under agreement. Just a different branded UI.
But is Sky actually licensing rights to intellectual property of the original Tivo Inc.?

Macrovision Solutions Corporation and, subsequently, Rovi Corporation licensed its own intellectual property to the industry long before it acquired Tivo Inc. renaming the merged company as Tivo Corporation.

Before assuming that Sky is using Tivo technology, it might be worth checking if Sky is actually licensing rights to the IP of the original Rovi Corporation (EPG software patents / copy protection etc).

Richardr 17-08-2019 18:11
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Originally Posted by epsilon (Post 36006346)
But is Sky actually licensing rights to intellectual property of the original Tivo Inc.?

Macrovision Solutions Corporation and, subsequently, Rovi Corporation licensed its own intellectual property to the industry long before it acquired Tivo Inc. renaming the merged company as Tivo Corporation.

Before assuming that Sky is using Tivo technology, it might be worth checking if Sky is actually licensing rights to the IP of the original Rovi Corporation (EPG software patents / copy protection etc).
Correct. Rovi bought Gemstar-TV-Guide, and Sky have licensed their EPG format patents since 2006.

Now it may be that these licences now include additional Rovi patents, but that wasn't the original deal.

fox35 17-08-2019 19:38
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Originally Posted by Richardr (Post 36006350)
Correct. Rovi bought Gemstar-TV-Guide, and Sky have licensed their EPG format patents since 2006.

Now it may be that these licences now include additional Rovi patents, but that wasn't the original deal.
Tivo (outside the US) is clearly concentrating more on licensing its patents to third party content providers rather than manufacturing its own hardware anymore.
Apart from VM and Sky, its patented software is used under agreement with both Netflix and Google (YT) too, and is also integrated in to all LG, Panasonic and Samsung newest smart TVs to name just a few, and no doubt many other providers hardware and UI's aswell.
I'm now wondering with the sale of the fast majority of Liberty Global's assets in mainland Europe, and the seemingly delayed roll out of their Horizon 4 in the UK, why they don't migrate the new Tivo Hydra system onto the UK V6 boxes instead. It appears to be a fastly superior product not just to our current Tivo UI and Horizon, but would most certainly give Sky Q a run for its money whilst not alienating current Tivo V6 users too much!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7BJHMBFFWA

RichardCoulter 17-08-2019 22:09
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2019)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36006324)
It wasn't really. The VM dispute was settled because of the sale of Virgin channels to Sky, in exchange for a fee and a long term carriage arrangement.

The ITV dispute settled because it wasn't viable to keep the largest commercial channel off of the largest TV platform. It's not rocket science.

You are massively overestimating personalities and massively underestimating cold hard cash.
Personnel changes played a significant part too.

jfman 17-08-2019 22:14
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2019)
 
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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36006381)
Personnel changes played a significant part too.
Can you actually prove that? Any links or quotes?

Legendkiller2k 18-08-2019 00:44
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2019)
 
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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36006381)
Personnel changes played a significant part too.
VM and SKY were owned by the same people when the SKY dispute began and when the channels returned to SKY, there was no change in personell.
Money talked louder than handbags in the end.

RichardCoulter 18-08-2019 13:02
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2019)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36006324)
It wasn't really. The VM dispute was settled because of the sale of Virgin channels to Sky, in exchange for a fee and a long term carriage arrangement.

The ITV dispute settled because it wasn't viable to keep the largest commercial channel off of the largest TV platform. It's not rocket science.

You are massively overestimating personalities and massively underestimating cold hard cash.
The VM/Sky dispute was resolved in 2007, but the deal to sell the VM owned channels in return for most of the missing Sky material was done in 2010.

The information Re: The changes in key personell was reported on the internet, it should still be there.

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Originally Posted by Legendkiller2k (Post 36006387)
VM and SKY were owned by the same people when the SKY dispute began and when the channels returned to SKY, there was no change in personell.
Money talked louder than handbags in the end.
VM and Sky have never been owned by the same people; the Competition Commission would never allow it (and for good reason too).

jfman 18-08-2019 13:08
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2019)
 
https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-bs...4A34V120081104

The Virgin/Sky dispute started in 2007 with the basics being removed on 1st March. It was resolved in November 2008.

Given the inaccuracy of a straightforward fact in your post I'm quite happy to simply assume the rest of it as baseless speculation. Grateful if you could find anything for me on the personality aspect of it though, it'd be interesting reading - if it exists at all.

OLD BOY 18-08-2019 13:15
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2019)
 
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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36006417)
VM and Sky have never been owned by the same people; the Competition Commission would never allow it (and for good reason too).
That's not what he meant!

Legendkiller2k 18-08-2019 13:17
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2019)
 
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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36006417)
The VM/Sky dispute was resolved in 2007, but the deal to sell the VM owned channels in return for most of the missing Sky material was done in 2010.

The information Re: The changes in key personell was reported on the internet, it should still be there.

---------- Post added at 13:02 ---------- Previous post was at 13:00 ----------



VM and Sky have never been owned by the same people; the Competition Commission would never allow it (and for good reason too).
I think you mis-read my post i said the same personell as in Murdochs for SKY, Telewest/NTL for vm.

RichardCoulter 18-08-2019 15:46
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2019)
 
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Originally Posted by Legendkiller2k (Post 36006423)
I think you mis-read my post i said the same personell as in Murdochs for SKY, Telewest/NTL for vm.
Ahh ok, sorry about that :)


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