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1andrew1 13-04-2022 16:49

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36119052)
H’mm. Maybe that’s because you are ignoring the elephant in the room.

Cake/beer. His colleagues definitely should have stuck with the beer.

The elephant in the room is the denials in the House of Commons.

Things they should have avoided include bring-your-own-bottle invites, late night parties and furtive trips to the Co-op with suitcases for wine. But above all they should have avoided hypocrisy.

Mad Max 13-04-2022 17:05

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 
From what I've read and seen on TV reports, seems like the word party is a bit misleading imo, must have been pretty boring parties.

Chris 13-04-2022 17:32

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36119052)
H’mm. Maybe that’s because you are ignoring the elephant in the room.

Cake/beer. His colleagues definitely should have stuck with the beer.

You do realise just how few people are taken in by this amateurish misdirection? No, on reflection you probably don’t.

He broke the law. He has accepted that in law, because he has accepted a fixed penalty notice. So you are defending someone with arguments they aren’t even using to defend themselves. Which seems a bit pointless to me.

Except of course that the reason you keep banging on about cake and beer is that it allows you to push your line without having to engage with the larger, uncomfortable truth. The actual elephant in the room is that we now have a Prime Minister who lacks the moral authority to lead the country.

This scandal does not carry the same moral weight as a speeding ticket because the context is not the same. By now, I am quite convinced that you know this, and have no answer for it, because if you did, you would have said so by now.

Every time you try to deflect the discussion onto Keir Starmer, cake, beer or whatever, you simply show the rest of us that you’re wrong, and you know you are.

Maggy 13-04-2022 17:35

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36119061)
You do realise just how few people are taken in by this amateurish misdirection? No, on reflection you probably don’t.

He broke the law. He has accepted that in law, because he has accepted a fixed penalty notice. So you are defending someone with arguments they aren’t even using to defend themselves. Which seems a bit pointless to me.

Except of course that the reason you keep banging on about cake and beer is that it allows you to push your line without having to engage with the larger, uncomfortable truth. The actual elephant in the room is that we now have a Prime Minister who lacks the moral authority to lead the country.

This scandal does not carry the same moral weight as a speeding ticket because the context is not the same. By now, I am quite convinced that you know this, and have no answer for it, because if you did, you would have said so by now.

Every time you try to deflect the discussion onto Keir Starmer, cake, beer or whatever, you simply show the rest of us that you’re wrong, and you know you are.

:tu:

joglynne 13-04-2022 17:39

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36119061)
You do realise just how few people are taken in by this amateurish misdirection? No, on reflection you probably don’t.

He broke the law. He has accepted that in law, because he has accepted a fixed penalty notice. So you are defending someone with arguments they aren’t even using to defend themselves. Which seems a bit pointless to me.

Except of course that the reason you keep banging on about cake and beer is that it allows you to push your line without having to engage with the larger, uncomfortable truth. The actual elephant in the room is that we now have a Prime Minister who lacks the moral authority to lead the country.

This scandal does not carry the same moral weight as a speeding ticket because the context is not the same. By now, I am quite convinced that you know this, and have no answer for it, because if you did, you would have said so by now.

Every time you try to deflect the discussion onto Keir Starmer, cake, beer or whatever, you simply show the rest of us that you’re wrong, and you know you are.

:tu: :tu: :tu:

Maggy 13-04-2022 17:41

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 
https://twitter.com/MattCartoonist/s...7Ctwgr%5Etweet

Hugh 13-04-2022 17:50

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 
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Justice Minister resigns…

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"The scale, context and nature of those breaches mean that it would be inconsistent with the rule of law for that conduct to pass with constitutional impunity".
https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...8&d=1649868610

papa smurf 13-04-2022 18:13

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 
Don't let the door hit you in the arse on your way out.

OLD BOY 13-04-2022 18:21

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36119054)
The elephant in the room is the denials in the House of Commons.

Things they should have avoided include bring-your-own-bottle invites, late night parties and furtive trips to the Co-op with suitcases for wine. But above all they should have avoided hypocrisy.

With that, I agree. But the PM appears not to have been involved with that.
My concern is simply with the inconsistency of fining Boris when Kier has got off scot free for virtually the same offence.

---------- Post added at 18:21 ---------- Previous post was at 18:18 ----------

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36119061)
You do realise just how few people are taken in by this amateurish misdirection? No, on reflection you probably don’t.

He broke the law. He has accepted that in law, because he has accepted a fixed penalty notice. So you are defending someone with arguments they aren’t even using to defend themselves. Which seems a bit pointless to me.

Except of course that the reason you keep banging on about cake and beer is that it allows you to push your line without having to engage with the larger, uncomfortable truth. The actual elephant in the room is that we now have a Prime Minister who lacks the moral authority to lead the country.

This scandal does not carry the same moral weight as a speeding ticket because the context is not the same. By now, I am quite convinced that you know this, and have no answer for it, because if you did, you would have said so by now.

Every time you try to deflect the discussion onto Keir Starmer, cake, beer or whatever, you simply show the rest of us that you’re wrong, and you know you are.

And yet you still haven't addressed the stark difference in treatment in extremely similar circumstances. I'm afraid you are the one who is deflecting.

Hugh 13-04-2022 18:45

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 
Yes, a meal break is exactly the same as a birthday party, an ABBA party, and a drinks party in the garden…

papa smurf 13-04-2022 18:54

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36119070)
With that, I agree. But the PM appears not to have been involved with that.
My concern is simply with the inconsistency of fining Boris when Kier has got off scot free for virtually the same offence.

---------- Post added at 18:21 ---------- Previous post was at 18:18 ----------



And yet you still haven't addressed the stark difference in treatment in extremely similar circumstances. I'm afraid you are the one who is deflecting.

Kier wasn't at home he travelled 165miles for his beer and pizza party.

Hugh 13-04-2022 18:59

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 
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https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...9&d=1649872717

Sephiroth 13-04-2022 19:01

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36119075)

Makes the point.

TheDaddy 13-04-2022 19:04

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36119075)

And that's why this isn't going away, so many people have stories like this and they and the people that know them aren't going to allow it to move on no matter how much some want it to

Hugh 13-04-2022 19:04

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36119074)
Kier wasn't at home he travelled 165miles for his beer and pizza party.

Johnson was just up the road at the same time…

https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/ne...ction-victory/

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/u...idays-20516634


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