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Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion

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Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 36014790)

no chance OB another hung parliament in the making Brexit party gonna split tory votes as we still be in EU in Novemeber as I said we would when liar Johnson promised that

I doubt that, Dave. Corbyn has lost a lot of credibility since the last election and Boris is more popular than you give him credit for. The Lib Dems have been very clever with their 'no Brexit' stance and they will increase their share of the vote without doubt. However, much of that will be at the expense of Labour. If they split the Labour vote, this will enable the Conservatives to take a good proportion of their seats. That will more than make up for the loss of Scottish seats, if that comes about as predicted.

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36014780)

No body cares a flying duck about education, welfare, nhs, climate change - non of that is on the agenda until Brexit is sorted.

And there is the essential truth of this surreal journey. They don't care now but when things change, as they will, then, and only then, will they care. Too late ...

So many previously sensible and rational people have been bewitched by the false prophets. Part of this entrapment is the perversion of the mainstream media. Peter Obourn, a notable conservative commentator, has the honesty to call this out:

British journalists have become part of Johnson’s fake news machine

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It’s chilling. From the Mail, The Times to the BBC and ITN, everyone is peddling Downing Street’s lies and smears. They’re turning their readers into dupes.

But there is now clear evidence that the prime minister has debauched Downing Street by using the power of his office to spread propaganda and fake news. British political journalists have got chillingly close to providing the same service to Boris Johnson that Fox News delivers for Donald Trump.

So reminds me of the Child Catcher in Chitty Chitty Bang Bang:

"Sweeties and lollipops children, all free today, come and get them .."

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People ask "why don't you trust Boris Johnson?"

Here's why - things he said yesterday in Parliament that weren't true.

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2 falsehoods on workers’ rights
Boris Johnson is trying to persuade Labour MPs to back his deal by saying he cares for workers’ rights. Now that the Withdrawal Agreement Bill has been published, he is misrepresenting it.

- Johnson told MPs “there can be no regression” from the rights workers currently enjoy. This is untrue. If the government wishes to pass legislation that would weaken rights, the relevant minister must say they are “unable to make a statement of non-regression.” Telling MPs that workers are going to lose their rights is very different from guaranteeing that they won’t. (See Schedule 5A, Part 1, Clause (1)(b)).

- The Prime Minister added: “If the EU decides that it wishes to introduce new legislation on social protection… there will be an amendable motion by which the government will give parliamentary time for the implementation of that measure.” False again. If the government doesn’t want to copy new EU rights, it must merely make parliamentary time for MPs to say they approve. The motion isn’t amendable – and so MPs won’t be given time to force the government to follow suit. (Schedule 5A, Part 2, Clause 5(a)).

4 new Northern Ireland porkies
The Prime Minister continues to mislead Parliament about how he has agreed that Northern Ireland (NI) should become a quasi-colony – following EU regulations without a vote on them and with checks in the Irish Sea.

- He said: “The salient feature of these arrangements is that they evaporate. They disintegrate. They vanish, unless a majority of the Northern Ireland Assembly elects to keep them.” He added: “The default position is alignment with the UK unless… there is a majority vote in the Assembly against that alignment.” This is false. The default position is alignment with the EU – and that only changes if a majority of the NI Assembly votes otherwise. If the Assembly doesn’t meet, which has been the case for most of the past three years, there won’t even be a vote. (See Article 18, para 5 of the revised Irish protocol).

- Johnson claimed: “There are no checks GB-NI. There will be some light touch measures to ensure there is no illegal trade in endangered animal species and banned firearms”. That provoked laughter. The Brexit Secretary admitted the previous day that paperwork would be required for sending goods from Great Britain to NI. What’s more, the government’s own impact assessment says: “Goods moving from Great Britain to Northern Ireland will be required to complete both import declarations and Entry Summary (ENS) Declarations because the UK will be applying the EU’s UCC [Union Custom Code] in Northern Ireland. This will result in additional administrative costs to businesses.” (See para 241.)

- The Prime Minister added that there was “absolutely no provision for the EU to have a say” on whether NI leaves these arrangements. That’s also wrong. The revised NI protocol says: “Any subsequent agreement between the Union and the United Kingdom shall indicate the parts of this Protocol which it supersedes.” So NI may leave parts of these arrangements if the EU agrees – and that means there is provision for it to have a say. (See Article 13 (8)).

- He also claimed his deal “ensures that Northern Ireland is part of the UK customs territory and benefits immediately from any UK trade deals”. But he left out a crucial passage to the effect that NI can only benefit from trade deals with third countries “provided that those agreements do not prejudice the application of this Protocol.” Some deals Johnson might cut – such as importing chlorine-washed chicken from America – would contravene EU regulations. So NI wouldn’t be able to “benefit” from those. (See Article 4).

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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36014807)

That child catcher was creepy, gave me nightmares as a kid... Roald Dahl - he hated kids ;).

Day by day Boris's chances of an election win become less as his lies get exposed. Labour know this, so does he, hence his failed attempt to rush things through.

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36014812)

Michael Heseltine has some thoughts on the forthcoming general election.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...0859498cfb29f0

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Asked whether he thought the Tories would win an election, he said: “No, I don’t.”

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Corbyn and Johnson meeting to discuss a new programme motion. Pointless. Just means when it gets voted down in a couple of weeks we still need a GE but it'll be too close to Christmas.

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36014820)

Corbyn and Johnson meeting to discuss a new programme motion. Pointless. Just means when it gets voted down in a couple of weeks we still need a GE but it'll be too close to Christmas.

Nothing was agreed apparently. They couldn't even agree on tea or coffee....

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36014821)

Nothing was agreed apparently. They couldn't even agree on tea or coffee....

One sugar for me old chap.;)

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If there are changes to employment law in the future, so what. It's called democracy(check your dictionaries:rolleyes:, but not the Remainer version).

It has always been the case that if the EU and the UK came to an agreement, it might affect the backstop. After all isn't that what the backstop is all about? Something that is in place "unless and until" the EU says otherwise.

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36014821)

Nothing was agreed apparently. They couldn't even agree on tea or coffee....

I've always said Brexit will have to win a mandate at a GE or a another referendum. Let's get on with it.

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36014825)

I've always said Brexit will have to win a mandate at a GE or a another referendum. Let's get on with it.

You meant like the referendum and GE that have already taken place?

Anything that takes place now, other than immediate Brexit, is tainted by the bullying and blocking tactics of Remainers. They are saying "don't bother voting against us, we're not going to allow it". Democracy well and truly flushed down the toilet, along with freedom of speech and opinion, that went a long time ago.

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Yes, it's such a bummer that you can't be openly hostile to those who are different to you - bring back the good old days when women, minorities, and gays knew their place, and didn't dare speak up for fear of a good thrashing...

Fortunately for us, your definition of "democracy" does not match that of our current Parliamentary Democracy.

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36014827)

I mean exactly that the 2016 referendum and 2017 GE will not be enough. Yes. Exactly that.

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36014833)

I mean exactly that the 2016 referendum and 2017 GE will not be enough. Yes. Exactly that.

But if that wasn't enough, then it's because of the "bullying and blocking" tactics", and the "don't bother voting against us, we're not going to allow it" attitude. That makes any result that might be on the Remain side, tainted because of the undue pressure..

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36014834)

Tainted or not it'd be a result.