Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36060437)

Of course he won’t as then he’d clearly have to agree to fixed goalposts. No more room to conflate and obfuscate.

He’s clearly realised, for a second time, that his hopes/dreams are over ambitious. Just as 2025 became 2035 the shift is now ‘linear’ to ‘traditional’ broadcasts.

I’ve asked countless times - to no clear answer - whether continuous video accessed through an app where everyone watches the exact same thing at the exact same time to a fixed schedule would be considered ‘linear’ to Old Boy. An example would be the current Sky Sports News app on Now TV.

Now to any objective observer this is ‘linear’ television. You, or anyone else, can opt in and out as you please and at any given time you’d see exactly what I see. If I sat there for 100 hours the broadcast will continue without any need for the user to do anything (energy saving settings permitted). This is how linear, scheduled television works regardless of delivery method. This is what he’s bleated on about for 7 years.

However, this is where Old Boy’s next clutch at straws comes in. He’s going to argue this is streaming as it’s delivered by the internet. Yet, all that posting he did about watching TV to a schedule being for the brain dead at no point debated the merits of DTT vs IPTV.

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36060421)

While all DTT channels are linear, not all linear channels are on DTT. Linear channels could, for example, be broadcast over IPTV, cable, satellite or an app. It’d be helpful if you could clarify at this point whether your 20x5 commitment is for the end of DTT or the end of scheduled linear broadcasting. In one word preferably to prevent you from obfuscating.

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36060421)

Please cease from misrepresenting this. Closing BBC resulted in the BBC commissioning less content. The savings were not gained from not broadcasting into the air for 12 hours per day, or video playout costs.

Originally Posted by Legendkiller2k (Post 36060438)

It baffles me how he is still trying to say people who work in the industry are wrong too lol.
On plus side we break up for 4 weeks next friday.

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36060427)

Worth noting that the BBC is actively considering returning Three to linear broadcast, because its penetration of its target audience (16-34s) fell from 22% in 2015-2016, the last it was fully broadcast over the air, to just 8% last year. It seems even within the age group that’s fed up of linear and only interested in on-demand content, is a rather significant constituency that will only engage with BBC Three when it’s served to them in a nice, easy, hands-off linear schedule.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-52719883
https://inews.co.uk/news/entertainme...-people-666617

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36060440)

How many times?!!

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36060440)

We know that, and if you recall, I said at the time that this move was far too early, and it was wrong to pick on this one channel to migrate to online only. Broadband hasn't even finished rolling out yet, and the government is hinting that even this will be delayed now. So the move was rather premature.

Originally Posted by Legendkiller2k (Post 36060381)

So i checked systems for OB and nothing at all is on them about Channel 4 leaving traditional tv methods.

Also came through today SKY are proposing Shudder, Amazon prime video and Starzplay apps on the SKYQ box.
This is only at proposal stages at the moment.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36060440)

How many times?!!

I believe that the traditionally broadcast TV channels will cease, whether by DTT, cable or satellite. They will ultimately migrate to IPTV and the content will be presented a different way - not by channel.

Live content will be streamed, just as live content on the BBC i-Player is streamed, and again, the content will be accessed not by channel, but by event.

I am not ruling out 'Pluto' type services, but frankly, even they are now emphasising their VOD content.

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Well, that is part of the point. Less content is commissioned because you don't have to fill the gaps in the schedule with dross. You know as well as I do that the BBC has a reputation for repeating its programmes over and over.

Instead, you will just get the programmes that are judged to be of interest to the target audience.

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I do not discount in any way your contribution, Legendkiller. I am expressing mine and you are expressing yours.

I don't know exactly what you do, but I know that you can see contracts and proposals coming through. But you are the first to admit that often you don't know what lies just around the corner because sometimes you get notified just weeks in advance.

I would have thought that very little of what gets through to your office relates to 20 years hence, and even if it did, do you really suppose that things are impossible for broadcasters to change? The broadcasting industry recognises that it is up for debate whether DTT will still be broadcast as it is now in the future or whether 5G broadcast is the name of the game in the future. The jury is out on whether existing broadcast system will move over to IPTV in the future as well.

All I'm saying is that I believe it will, because it will be cheaper and more flexible, and easier to run. No scheduling required, except for live events. Yes, I know that channels can be run over IPTV - look at Now TV. But if most people are viewing their content via VOD, as I think they will be by then, why would they do this?

It is just my opinion. I may be proved wrong, I acknowledge that. I'm not claiming to be Nostrodamus!

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We know that, and if you recall, I said at the time that this move was far too early, and it was wrong to pick on this one channel to migrate to online only. Broadband hasn't even finished rolling out yet, and the government is hinting that even this will be delayed now. So the move was rather premature.

Originally Posted by Phunkenstein (Post 36060448)

I know you have mentioned Shudder before but the other two are interesting - Starzplay have managed to get themselves across a variety of platforms (even on Rakuten TV) but Sky seems to have been a holdout for sometime - curious to see how whether that’s an app or whether Sky operate that via their own progressive download system.

And it’s been well reported that Sky & Amazon have had a lot of commercial differences preventing Prime landing on Q (Search, transactional content and the channels platform Amazon have) so if they have found some common ground, interesting to see where they have both ceded that ground and if it happens, whether this is reciprocated and gets Now TV onto the Fire TV platform?

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36060446)

Until you actually answer the question asked. Can you tell me how a “Pluto-TV” type service varies from scheduled, linear television other than the delivery method?

Stop wasting time. Stop obfuscating. Stop shifting the goalposts.

It’s obvious from your posts you know the game is up. Linear television will exist in 2035 to the surprise of absolutely no-one. Whether it’s broadcast over DTT or not is simply a new discussion as you backtrack further.

Again to save us all the hassle it’d be helpful if you could clarify at this point whether your 20x5 commitment is for the end of DTT or the end of scheduled linear broadcasting. In one word preferably to prevent you from obfuscating..

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36060447)

The BBC said that at the time. I don't recall you saying so. If you can link back to a contemporaneous post (i.e. from around the time the closure was announced, or implemented) that would be helpful.

Notwithstanding, premature closure is one thing. Actively going in the opposite direction of where you keep telling us this is all heading ... that's quite something else, and not a thing you get to breezily sweep under the carpet just because it's inconvenient for your predictions.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36060486)

You are being a bit dim, if I may say so.

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36060492)

Thanks Old Boy. It's only taken five years.

And it's a clear and obvious shift from your original position.

At least it's clearer now from the bits in bold that these are moving opinions rather than fixed beliefs. It'd be helpful now if you just stopped insulting those who disagree with you.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36060505)

What absolute nonsense you do talk. When it became apparent back in 2015 that some were taking the reference to ‘linear’ to mean ‘live’, I clarified what I meant by the term and I acknowledged that OF COURSE live TV would still exist - just not as channels - in the sense of conventional channels.

You do love to change history to suit yourself.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35936632)

This is an interesting development from the BBC.

http://www.a516digital.com/2018/02/b...onditions.html

The documentation relating to the future distribution of content states:

'The BBC expects that over the course of the Charter period it will continue to deliver value to audiences through broadcast services – which still make up the majority of BBC consumption – while preparing for a future where all content experiences are delivered over the internet. Given the increasing pace of change, the BBC needs to prepare for that future to arrive early in the next Charter period. The transition to internet delivery of BBC services creates opportunities for the BBC to offer richer, more targeted experiences for audiences (see below) and new ways of bringing the nation and communities together, while also avoiding the duplicative costs of broadcast. However, it also comes with additional strategic challenges, above all, ensuring the BBC’s public service mission can still be effectively delivered on new connected platforms.'

This appears to lend credence to the theory I have promoted on my linear tv threads that broadcast channels are likely to be a thing of the past within the next couple of decades. If the BBC expects delivery of its programmes by internet only within the next 20 years, this gives me much more confidence in championing that opinion. My thinking until now was that the BBC would be the last to stop broadcasting in the conventional way.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36060505)

What absolute nonsense you do talk. When it became apparent back in 2015 that some were taking the reference to ‘linear’ to mean ‘live’, I clarified what I meant by the term and I acknowledged that OF COURSE live TV would still exist - just not as channels - in the sense of conventional channels.

You do love to change history to suit yourself.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36060507)

Someone ( I think I know who) questioned my point that the BBC was planning to go IPTV in the future. Quite by accident, I found one of these posts, but unfortunately the link does not work now. However, the link was to an article contains a further link to an official document. I thought I would share this with you so you don’t imagine that I am dreaming it up.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36060507)

Someone ( I think I know who) questioned my point that the BBC was planning to go IPTV in the future. Quite by accident, I found one of these posts, but unfortunately the link does not work now. However, the link was to an article contains a further link to an official document. I thought I would share this with you so you don’t imagine that I am dreaming it up.