Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

nowt like them in my cookie list

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Omninet caught being sneaky:
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post...cs3-users.html
Anyone for 192.168.112.2O7.net (note the capital O instead of a zero)?

But of course you can always opt out
http://www.112.2o7.net/optout.html?o...1&locale=en_US
by installing a cookie ... a bit like déjàvu all over again.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Well since we managed to exceed the level of funds we needed to cover the costs of the protest I have decided to put some of the excess into some T-Shirts for the event. So if anyone can come up with some nice designs I will get them printed up next week. Obviously if the designs are created as vector graphics it would be ideal as they will then scale losslessly for printing.

Alexander Hanff

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I also received an email today from Lilian Edwards (Chair of GikIII), my abstract has been received and I will find out if it has been accepted by August 1st. If the paper (my dissertation) is accepted I will be attending GikIII in September (25th-26th) and taking part in the work shops. This would be a prestige event to take part in and would bring this discussion to the forefront with very reputable academics, so fingers crossed eh?

Details of the event are here:

http://www.law.ed.ac.uk/ahrc/gikii/

Although it should be noted that the dates on the web site don't match the dates in the email I received today, but I will confirm the date in the next couple of days.

Alexander Hanff

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

The UK newspaper The Independent today had an article in the 'Extra' section titled: 'Does the internet know too much about us'? The article can be found on-line here:

http://tinyurl.com/67v2ug

I haven't read it yet. A quick search for 'Phorm' returns nothing.

I am off to read it now, but I thought I would mention it, as the Indy may be ripe for letters regarding Phorm after writing a piece of Internet Privacy.

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OK, I suggest anyone who is thinking of writing to the Indy first read the article. It is actually quite dismissive of privacy concerns. It argues that total transparency can be empowering. Unfortunately, it is full of hypotheticals about ways that 'total transparency' might be a good thing without even barely mentioning the myriad ways in which it can be dangerous.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

you should give http://partitionlogic.org.uk/ a try, its a free LiveCD.

so you wont need to mess around next time if you make a backup and need/want to get back to that fully working state again in a few minutes.

that mirror thread is filling up with data now, lets hope some people get informed and act ....if it stays on the top of the page and visable through use OC.
http://forums.mirror.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=44898

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

I am blocking it network level and it only way that it worked. bocking webwise.com ona fresh install blcoked about 70% of them. so i decided to block webwise.com and it assicoted ip from my IPCOP urlfilter and block have it translate the DNS to IP and block the ip from OIS level 7 through to 3 and it seems ot have worked i am now gettting zeros ads. i looked at he cookies and they dnt appear to suggest phorm but then again i dnt know what a phorm cookie will involve. The ads that i was getting after fresh install was mostly what i was surfing i even got one about here.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

PM

---------- Post added at 10:46 ---------- Previous post was at 09:56 ----------

I did a lookup on hitbox and do not like their history, even though they have since been purchased by Omniture.

I phoned my credit card company up the other day, after receiving a letter telling me about their wonderful new web portal for card users. I phoned them up to complain about their use of hitbox to track visitors, even on the login page and told the poor guy on the website help desk that there was no way that I would ever use that site because it is not secure.

Needless to say, he did not have a clue what I was talking about.

BTW - some of the BT sites use 2o7 for tracking.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Yes I have been getting a lot of 207 didn't know where they were from so been deleting them every night :D

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Shares dropping..

As at 01-Jul-2008 10:50:24 1,050.000 [img]Download Failed (1)[/img] -75.00 -6.67%

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

And that's due to Phorm?

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

I'm not a betting man but I reckon it's going to hit rock bottom this time (surely they can't play the bogus trial card again)

:)

---------- Post added at 11:24 ---------- Previous post was at 11:18 ----------

Well - yes...

We're quoting the current Phorm share price

:confused:

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Might be the news that a second Yank provider has ditched nebuad.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

If you read all the report, probably WOW as well.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

I expect you will find there will be a big reaction to there being yet another freeze out in the US of NebuAD. Phorm's market is shrinking each week which is not going to please potential or existing investors.

Alexander Hanff

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

I had over 67 in one day from that site - I've blocked 2o7.net in everyway imaginable - BUT now their clients appear to be adding cookies??

I've also noticed other sites with similar content in the cookies, but the cookie name is ACOOKIE.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Probably using the same method used by the Google cookies in google-analytics where the cookies are set in the name of the domain. Now that G is starting to use a little of the behavioural targeting in its ads display, there is more reason to block all cookies, and to delete those that get set where a site will only function with cookies enabled.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

All cookies on my pc are just jumbled numbers, letters and symbles but on which is readable by me it clearly gives my user name which is also an email address, this website is only a gaming website which I have all adverts blocked on.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

I just wanted to update everyone on Baroness Miller quickly.

As many of you know she was good enough to post to this forum last week in response to the concerns she had received from several of our members and I think it is important to let people know that she hasn't stopped there. Her team is currently in communications with myself and several other people in order to assist her in preparing Parliamentary Questions and to keep her aware of the concerns of the general public.

Clearly she is taking this matter very seriously and will be addressing the Home Office on 17th July; she has also provisionally confirmed she will be attending the Protest on the 16th so long as nothing else comes up.

Earl of Northesk is still very much involved in this issue too and has thrown some more questions at the Home Office.

So I just wanted to update people and let them know that despite things seeming quiet, there is a lot going on in the background and it is all very positive. Personally I would like to thank Baroness Miller and her staff for the time they are putting into this matter.

Alexander Hanff

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

I've noticed even the BBC site uses Omniture.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

I have had the latest round of "BERR / ICO / Shriti Vadera" propaganda drop in the mailbox via my MP this morning. The BERR website has this So I did. I have left a message to speak to someone regarding this and I am going to discuss (assuming they return my call) the interception from the web-site point of view. Is there anything else people would like me to ask / raise if they do get back to me? (If so PM me, so I can keep it together - ta)

If anyone else has received this pack it might be worth making sure they realise how many of us care enough to ring them.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Dug & Commented

---------- Post added at 12:58 ---------- Previous post was at 12:53 ----------

Ditto.

Icsys - if you have written or sent a reply to Shriti please could you PM a copy (I will make a few amends to be sure she knows it is a different letter etc)

I am flying back to England in the next 24 hours and would like to get a letter off before I head away again shortly after (not normally such a jet setter but holidays and work demand it right now :) )

Thanks

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

I just wanted to post a copy of a reply I got on the BT forum as it applies as much here as it does over there. I took the liberty of replying to the poster on behalf of the BT forum and CableForum members.

Hello Peter,

I just thought I'd let you know that I am one of those hundreds/thousands of people, who don't join in this discussion. However, I started reading this thread way back when, signed the Petition when there were only 4000 names on it, plus told everyone I know to sign it too ...... which they did.

I check in everyday to read the latest news, although I don't understand all the techie stuff, being a female of the species!

My thanks to you and all the others who are fighting actively, on behalf of the others like me!

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

I have just been in touch with City of London Police and no protest permit is required. They knew about the protest already and were very pleasant on the phone and don't seem to have any concerns. I will be discussing it with them more in the next day or so and will be in London next week some time to have a meeting with them.

Thanks to Serial who has had a meeting with Barbican Security who were also very pleasant and have outlined the boundaries of their private ground for us so we can make sure we keep things pleasant and lawful.

Alexander Hanff

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

not so much a single direct question, although it might be interesting to see what they say when you bring up the different sections of the act the ISP and Phorm have already broken in the old trials, and will be breaking in any new trials.

its probably easyest to directly relate (for non tech BERR admin's etc) that to the website owners copyright content than the end users datastreams OC, so there is were it might be asked first.

see the

Copyright, Designs and Patent Act 1988 section

section
http://www.ipo.gov.uk/crime/crime-wh...fenceguide.htm

and compare with the act as layed out

http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts1988...ch6-pb5-l1g107
Making or Dealing in Infringing Articles
It is an offence under s.107 (1) of the CDPA to
(a) make for sale or hire,
(b) import into the United Kingdom otherwise than for private and domestic use,
(c) possess in the course of a business with a view to committing any act infringing copyright,
(d) in the course of a business
(i) sell or lets for hire,
(ii) offer or expose for sale or hire,
(iii) exhibit in public, or
(iv) distribute, or
(e) distribute otherwise than in the course of a business to such an extent as to affect prejudicially the owner of the copyright
.....
107(1)(c) seems clear enough,thats what they do...
(Sentence:6 months and or a GBP £5,000 fine)

does 107(1)(a) apply ? seems it might..
(Sentence: 6 months and or a GBP £5,000 fine)
(Indictment:10 years and or a fine)

107(1)(d)(i)-(ii) too ....

107(1)(e) again quite likely dont we think?
(Sentence: 6 months and or a GBP £5,000 fine)
(Indictment:10 years and or a fine)

and OC the next page
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts1988..._19880048_en_6
also likely covers Phorm and thier supplying of the device...

(2) A person commits an offence who—
(a) makes an article specifically designed or adapted for making copies of a particular copyright work, or

...
etc

[edit]

ohh and dont forget to also include the stanford Ripa conviction ruling in all things to show them we know this ruling exists and we can use it...
http://www.lawdit.co.uk/reading_room...20Stanford.htm

...
Geoffrey Rivlin QC, the trial judge had a different view. He pointed out that “right to control”
did not mean that someone had a right to access or operate the system, but that the Act required
that person to of had a right to authorise or to forbid the operation.

Stanford appealed the judge’s decision. However, the Court of Appeal upheld Rivlin’s view.

It pointed out that the purpose of the law was to protect privacy. Therefore Stanford’s sentence of 6 months imprisonment (suspended for two years) and a fine of £20,000 with £7000 prosecution costs
were upheld.
"

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Does anyone know which evening paper in London covers the area around the Barbican, I would like to send them a press release to make residents aware that we will be using a PA from noon to 2pm and apologise in advance for any disturbance this may cause.

Alexander Hanff

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Thank you Alex and Baroness Miller, 16th/17th seem like thjye could be really busy for many.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Thanks for that popper. I'll certainly mention it.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

I know the Evening Standard is widely distributed in the London area http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7482991.stm

need for Webwise is ever-increasing.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Evening Standard are not prepared to publish notification of the event for local residents to make them aware that there may be some disruption. They are happy to take lots of money off me to advertise the event with them, but other than that, nothing.

They have stated they may turn up on the day and cover the event though.

I really need a way to let local residents know so as to avoid any chance of confrontation with the local community.

Alexander Hanff

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Best thing I can suggest is a Leaflet Drop - or see if you can put a Notice around Lamposts etc.

Have you resolved the issues with the Police?

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Alex - no need. They will all be at work.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

I am in discussions with the police but at the moment there are no "issues" to resolve, they made it clear that it is perfectly acceptable to hold the protest and is in fact our right to do so.

I have explained that it will be a peaceful protest but there will be speeches between noon and 2pm using a mobile PA, they didn't have any issues with that but warned me that in their experience they tend to get a few people complaining from local residences when protests are held (which is why I want to get word out to the local community in advance).

So everything with the police is very positive at the moment, I expect at the meeting we will discuss a minimal police presence to ensure there are no problems. They were encouraged by the fact that we have already discussed the protest with Barbican Security too.

Alexander Hanff

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Hi Alex, I wonder if this may help? -

http://www.barbicanassociation.co.uk/index.htm

Dave ( and thanks for your hard work)

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Sorry to burst your bubble but Phormed webwise is the last thing thye need, 1st if this happens on BT's total customers it is perhaps due to BT redirecting funds to high wages and bonuses for failure to fat cats.
My ISP stops my spam I have 90% less than I had with VM :)

Best reply I can give them is get a mac and move to Zen or Aquiss become protected from Spam and invaision of your privacy.

---------- Post added at 14:51 ---------- Previous post was at 14:50 ----------

haha scared of the publicity

Now back on track.

We need to decide on decent questions to use in like mini shopping center market research then small groups up and down the country can do a awareness hit on the general public asking a few questions gather no personal data at all and leave them with a leaflet explaining phorm/webwise.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

in case you didnt see it, i edited my post to remind readers about the stanford RIPA conviction for interception of (copyright protected) Emails.

copyright was not required in the case to get the crimiinal conviction, but non the less copyright for profit is also a criminal act without consent etc... so it all ties in for our purposes probably.

its always good to let any officials know we know about these existing case law to help them realise we dont want this interception for profit or allowing them to monetise our data property without giving us our fees for the use of our property.

if copyrights good enough for the ISPs to use and kick suspected infringers for non profit use, then its also good enough for the end users and website owners to use and kick them back when they do it for commercial Piracy for profit.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

I'm quite happy with my spam filters thank you.The one provided by VM is more than adequate and the one with Gmail is spectacularly successful.I do not need my privacy invaded to protect me from spam.I have already paid to protect my PC from viral infections,adware,spyware etc without compromising my personal info.Indeed they are being used to protect my personal info.I cannot be sure that webwise or Phorm will be doing that.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

That was actually very helpful Dave, I just got off the phone with their Secretary and hopefully I will be able to meet some representatives next week when I am in London to address any concerns they may have. Also the Secretary was fully aware of who Phorm are so it is nice to know that public awareness is on the rise.

So thanks for that info.

Alexander Hanff

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Post leaflets through their doors? How many are close enough for it to be a potential issue?

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Very strange that you like Gmail and yet don't like Phorm ?! Gmail much dodgier on the privacy angles.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/04..._evil_privacy/

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

The area is surrounded by about 2000 residents some of which work from home. Unfortunately I have a medical condition which would make it impossible for me to do a leaflet drop, but hopefully the Barbican Association can make the residents aware of the situation.

Alexander Hanff

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Ok - ask the Police and Local Borough for permission to wrap A4 Notices (in polly pockets) around Lampposts in the area. I know its a bit of work, but I think (the borough should clarify) this will indemnify you.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

want to know a secret hammy, my email box has never been spammed in all the years I have had it, never any junk emails at all and i am with bt and i never see ad`s on web sites either funny that, as for phishing don`t happen either, now phorm want to undo all that protection i already have and spam my screen with the very stuff we avoid and never see.

owell back to work, speaking of work keep it up Alex you doing a great job.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

They still can't get the access to my personal info that Phorm can and I agreed to Google's terms when I signed up..I have yet to be asked by my ISP if I wish to be Phormed.Strangly enough while using Gmail I haven't suffered one bit of identity fraud or had any security issues...

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

The article confuses different issues. Surfing with phishing protection such as that offered by webwise (and any decent browser) doesn't stop you getting spam and phishing e-mails. It just stops you from going to the urls they link to. The best way to reduce the spam you get is not to give your address out freely. Make sure it never appears on any webpage and preferably don't have something easily guessable.

Personally I have a custom mail server and use a unique address for everything I sign up to. In over a year of use only 1 address has been compromised and that resulted in 2 phishing e-mails before I blocked the address. I didn't even read the phishing e-mails. They purported to be from banks that I don't have accounts with and my bank doesn't know my e-mail address anyway.

For those less tech-savvy peeps, spam gourmet provide a similar service for free :)

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Check the date on that article - April 2004 :rolleyes:

Why not just say that Phorm are not as bad as the KGB and use that as a defence.

By the way...

How on Earth do you reckon that Webwise will do anything to reduce or prevent spam? Do you actually have any idea what you are talking about or what it is you are defending?

You do know that we are discussing Phorm and Webwise don't you cos your random postings are rather bizarre and mostly unrelated to this topic.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Great to see everything coming together for the protest, should be a fun day :)

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Didn't realise it was that many. The Barbican Association sounds like a much better idea.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

if as you say, these non Deep Packet Inspection ISP installing companys are dodgier, feel free to start another non DPI thread about it , fill it with tech details ,laws broken, etc.

and we can all add it to the list of growing companies practices to also deal with after the Phorm storm.... :angel:

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

I agree

Hamsterwheel - the thread topic and description here is clear. If you have issues with other services, start a new thread concerning your issues, and if we choose to - we will contribute.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

well for a Fun day,your going to need on site cheap catering (remember it's london , and london prices, and also, they dont do decent pork pies down there ;) so take your own)

one interesting thought accured to me though with the NebuAd news, i wonder if the BT executive might use the protest day to announce their dropping Phorm.

and want us to get the word out on the cheap for them without paying expensive PR firms to inform the masses ;)

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

There is no chance of BT dropping Phorm I fear. For them to do so would be an admission that they were wrong and in my entire life I have never seen BT admit they were wrong about anything.

Alexander Hanff

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Can people stop quoting that hamster creature? I don't want to read it's attempts to muddy the waters. I've got it on ignore, and I bet I'm not the only one.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Sorry but sometimes in a thread this size answers to specific posters will get easily lost UNLESS you do quote them and confusion will reign.Many folk are already finding this thread hard enough as it is with out confused cross posting.;)

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

But I have a choice to use Gmail and they give me something I want. I will NOT be able to do the same with the Phorm spyware system, why you ask?

Because even if I opt out my surfing will still be sent to the profiler, I will just not get the ads. Therefor Phorm "121 media" will still be making money from MY private data against my will and against my request for privacy.

Sorry I almost forgot, if VM implement the Phorm spy system I will not have to worry as I will move ALL my services away from them. That will be over £130 a month.


If we all do that it will hurt VM in the share holders pockets :clap:

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

:p:

---------- Post added at 15:45 ---------- Previous post was at 15:44 ----------

For avoidance of doubt - I didn't raise Gmail, just responded when someone else did.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Sorry but how the hell will members of this forum understand what i am on about if i cannot quote the odd crazy person in a wheel :()

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

What's the name of the free paper that is distributed on the railways in and around London? It would be handy if someone could have a word with the publishers and maybe get a leaflet in those .. they go all over the place!

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Metro?

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Just had a word with a friend in London, she tells me the two free evening papers are the London Lite and The London Paper.

I believe the lite is done by the same folks as the Evening Standard tho.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

hammy, that article is irrelevant as it is about spam, webwise is about advertising and anti phishing, or are you warning us of intended mission creap???

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

The Metro, they're funded by advertising, so they would want us to pay a hefty sum.

However people could insert the leaflets at the stands ;)

The Metro is also part of the Standard.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

I quote from the article "Some 8% of the total spam received during the experiment was classified as phishing e-mails"

So very relevant.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

this seems like an easy way to contact the online residents there and let them know this thread exists and we want their input and idea's ASAP.....

The Association does not have a bulletin board, because one has long been in existence. The Association bears no responsibility for this, but you may enjoy taking part

www barbicantalk.co.uk or visit Barbican Life

nothing one eather site relatingto Phorm and BL seems to be a council run type site, BBT uses phpBB as here, and they have 3545 registered users

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

You are sailing very close to an infraction for flaming/trolling here. I suggest you take a rest from this thread if you cannot keep calm.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Some great news :)

https://nodpi.org/2008/07/01/protest...-confirmation/

Alexander Hanff

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Don't even mention the name. Replies to this poster are a wasted effort IMHO.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

That is fantastic news. :D

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

hmmf

Hammy, the phishing protection offered by webwise is to prevent you clicking on phishing websites. It will not prevent you getting phishing emails

Now go back and learn what webwise does and does not do.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

If a few of their executives end up in jail, they may wish they had!

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

But it will prevent you from visiting phishing sites. No-one ever lost money by receiving a phishing email. They lose from responding to it.

So Yes, Webwise is a very useful tool and should be welcomed with open arms by the masses who are not that tech-savvy.

I get several quite plausible phishing emails in my Hotmail every day. The Hotmail that I use for registering on sites such as this one. They usually fall into the Junk file, but occasionally one gets through. Of course I'm not daft enough to fall for them, but many are - they generate huge revenues for the Nigerian economy. So there is a real need for Webwise, and the tinkering with privacy is a small price to pay for such a wonderful service.

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That's wonderful - thank you.

I won't spoil the surprise - let people read it on nodpi - but it is great news and the lady deserves our respect for this.

Can I suggest that a well presented case-file be handed over to her on the day so that she has all of the relevent info to hand in a logical order.

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I will provide her with a copy of the case file we will be submitting to the City of London Police. She already has my dissertation and has read other papers by Richard Clayton, Nicholas Bohm etc. so she has made a great deal of effort to understand the issue which is to be commended.

Alexander Hanff

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Which is already present in Norton, Kaspersky, IE7 and Firefox to name a few, what makes webwise so special, since its database is not its own, can you tell us where webwise will obtain the database from, which company.

There already enough anti-phishing tools around, webwise is nothing special.

Any chance you can answer these question which have been put to you and yet you seem not to answer, how will phorm enhance my privacy and how does phorm dispose of my data, what method is used to completely erase the data beyond recovery.

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Good news indeed, keep up the good work.

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http://homepage.ntlworld.com/a.stanf...7_2%5b1%5d.gif everyone the work is coming together just fine sorry to say it looks like we just need to continue making the general public aware of what they will be surrendering in this and hammy this is for you http://homepage.ntlworld.com/a.stanf..._14%5b1%5d.gif you can't win them all hammy below two very relevent quotes to think over.

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What are you talking about?

Webwise doesn't involve intercepting or in anyway interacting with webmail or any other form of email traffic so in what way will affect the amont of spam you receive?

Unless, of couse, you know differently and Phorm are planning on intercepting emails despite claiming that they on't and despite the fact the ISPs have said that they can't and despite the fact that this would be totally illegal even under the "advice" given by the ICO.

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Who cares where Webwise get their anti-phisihing list from - as long as it is kept up to date, and the revenue generated by Phorm for the ISPs will mean it will be.

Yes there may be many anti-phishing tools around, but none that come FREE as standard and are subject to such regular updates as Webwise will be.
Many people do not shell out of anti-virus software - it is very expensive, Norton is over £30 a year ! Free Webwise from Phorm will be great for ISP customers who are not willing or able to spend the time and money keeping their PCs secure from attack.

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The loss of privacy is too much to pay Hammy when will you realise had you set us these servers and offered a paid for option for those less techy to go via you outside the ISP network many might have paid what makes this not acceptable is the fact it will be on the ISP network and not acceptable in any shape, phorm or disguise.

Why not go away sort out your idea work on legal off ISP network resolution and you might have a company otherwise you are flgging a dead horse.


None come free even those free ones offered by you are not acceptable the cost to the public you say is free but the loss of privacy is beyond value in currancy our privacy is not for sale and no ISP should ever consider selling it since they do n ot own it.


Hammy Nortons is the worst AV you can get I use nod32 and there are many good AV out there that are paid for companies but free to home users so that blows that out of the water aswell and 90% better than nortons which is resource greedy.

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Thought I'd spelt it out pretty clearly, but here we go again for you.

Course Webwise won't stop phising spam email, but it WILL stop you going on the phishing sites and giving away all your security data. Which is the point of it !

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Well I choose to buy..free is not necessarily best.;) And I can avoid phishing sites on my own.

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Wrong again!

Webwise does not prevent the user from visiting ANY sites. All it will do is highlight known phishisng sites and advises against visiting them.

This information comes directly from both Phorm and from BT.

To do this they simply purchase a list of suspect sites. Firefox and Internet Explorer already have and use these lists as do Norton and the other online security companies. In fact, most of these companies either produce or contribute to those lists themselves so their data is far more up to date than anything that Phorm will be using.

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and your point is??

i like 95%+ of user have adequate anti-phishing builtin to my browser and have no need for phorms spyware in my ISP, and surprisingly i can tell if i get an email asking me to validate details for a bank that it is phishing as i refuse to use internet banking due to security issues of spyware and general crudware and i don't trust ISP's or banks on internet security with my banking details

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Read my last post where you'll find the facts and then try doing some homework before you post again.

By the way, being sarcastic and patronising when you don't know what you are talking about is never a good idea.

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Google has Phorm closing today, down again, at exactly £10. Keep the faith.

BT, Phorm - We're watching you watching us, and the good thing is - now we can even read some of your emails. Not nice is it?

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Sure, so phishing is not a problem then ??? And the existing systems to prevent it are foolproof.........

"Phishing fraud is a global problem: In the US, 3.6 million adult Internet users lost money from phishing attacks in the year prior to August 2007 - an increase of over 50%. And in recent years, an estimated £45.7 million was stolen from UK bank accounts through phishing attacks."

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and Webwise will magically make it all ok ? open your eyes hammy.

The phishing feature was added on to counter the "Whats in it for me" and to be honest the free phishing filter isn't enough to make me want to be profiled and sold

The stupidity of people will never be overcome by laws and technology, human nature is a very funny thing.

DO NOT WANT.

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I do, if they are buying the database from a company that offers their product free, then why would i want webwise

Totally wrong, most PC will come with either Norton/Macfee pre-installed and since your aiming webwise at the newbie market they will continue to renew Norton/Mcafee.

Furthermore, programs such as Mcafee Siteadvisor, Tend-Protect and SiteHound will warn you before you even visit a phishing site, they can be downloaded for free, webwise does not come free either, you lose your privacy, no of the other tools will do that.

Webwise/Phorm is a con, i hope they go bust.

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It will certainly help a lot, and of course Phorm's main help is for the ISPs to make a few quid to help them expand bandwidth.

As this happens, those ISPs who do not sign up for Phorm or Phorm-alikes will find they can no longer compete on price with BT etc.
So people will gradually become accepting of Phorm, and realise it isn't as nasty as some make out. Like it or not, the majority of people trust the likes of BT and Virgin (not sure about Carphone Wharehouse !) so once presented with the facts, and not some of the hysterical jibbering that the anti-Phormers are postulating, they will be happy with it.
Of course Phorm are walking a tightrope, but as long as they keep their balance they will be fine.

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I doubt it, most likely many users will leave BT, VM and seek an ISP that does not need phorm`s spyware.


Once phorm goes live(if ever)and people start asking what phorm is, those prostituting ISP will be in deep doo-do, phorm has already fallen off the tightrope, all that is needed is the police and others to do their job.

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People trust BT? Where did you hear that?

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Hi All

I just got a phone call from Virgin Media call center, and it went something like this:

(Virgin) Hello is that Mr ****
(Me) Yes.
(Virgin) I see that you are on our Broadband.
(Me) Yes for the moment, but if Phorm Webwise is turned on I will be leaveing.
(Virgin) Why?
(Me) Because Phorm Webwise looks at all your emails and scrapes all the dater from the website.
(Virgin) It looks like you have a rootkit on your computer!
(Me) No, that is what Phorm Webwise does.
(Virgin) Phone put down.

:(

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I heard that 3 or 4 people trusted them to provide their telephone and internet services.

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No matter what Phorm-121 media offer now or in the future. They will never ever be trusted by anyone who knows what a bunch of low life *******s they are, And it is my and others task in life at the moment to make sure that anyone we can warn against using webspy is warned NOT to go near it with a 10 foot barge pole.

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Or Is that the amount of users that BT will have left after Phorm-121media's spyware system is activated on the BT network ?????

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What a lot of bull

If Bt had used good managment over the years when they had no competition instead of patting each other on the bakx and paying themselves larger pay rises we wouldnt be where we are now.

BT are still in the fat cat syndrome any company that gives a pay rise in one year of £196,000 is in need of a large shake up and a no confidance vote from shareholders.

The tightrope you mention has already been swinging since the law has already been broken and there is no way that this phorm in its present phorm can be used legally, avoiding going to court by packing half truths and not allowing anyone to actually see the programs will not alter this since it cannot be legal until those people wronged in the stealth trials have been heard in court.

well I ma off to feed the family in the knowledge I am phorm free and will stay free from internet interception, cookie forging, website hijacking and copyright invaision to add to the privacy and human rights to not be invaided by adverts as you surf...

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Gilmore and Walters didn't keep talking?

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I used to trus tBT also had plenty of help from Ben who has now resigned from BT the new CEO seem s to be lacking in Bens integrity so far.

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Just as an example of Phisihing, just got this.

Clicked on it to show what I was talking about and went straight to the site with no interception from Windows etc.

Admin edit (Chris T): DO NOT post links to websites that you know or reasonably suspect are engaged in fraudulent activity.

perhaps a few of you should also try it - if you get to the site then you ought to sign up for Webwise as soon as it is available.

EDITED TO SAY - DO NOT GIVE YOUR DETAILS !!!!!

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That would be about right.

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Its in Firefox`s database, it will block the site from loading.

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All BT or Phorm need to do to silence all of their critics is publish their wonderful research document "Premium Browsing: Research Findings" which proves beyond all doubt, that what we want what we want what we really really want is PHORM!!!

On the strength of that famed but very very private commercially sensitive research, they went and got themselves up to the top of their heads in the Phorm/Webwise cess pit, suffered months of atrocious PR, carried out some secret trials that according to the ICO, broke the law in all probability, inspired disgruntled employees into whistleblowing and document leaking on more than one occasion (network diagrams, 2006 trial report), found themselves in a situation where they were too scared of the facts coming out even to pursue legal action against protestors like Alex - so it must be pretty convincing stuff in that research. Yet they won't publish it. Strange isn't it? You'd think they would be rushing to print it. That's the document that proves we are a scaremongering bunch of geeky anorak wearing nerds who are out of touch with the public mood. Isn't it?

They have kept their options open and said they "might" publish it in the future. I wonder what sort of scenario would persuade them to publish? Perhaps the employment tribunal of a dismissed manager? (It made sense at the time guv, there was this research that said everyone wanted it...) - or the first Webwise court case? (Honest your honour, we had massive public support, here's the research, and we had sought, er, took, er obtained er legal stuff advice sort of).

Go on BT - publish it before someone leaks it (which they mustn't do, really, no, it wouldn't be right - no don't).

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[QUOTE=HamsterWheel;34589086]It will certainly help a lot, and of course Phorm's main help is for the ISPs to make a few quid to help them expand bandwidth.


The ISP could have used all the extra bandwidth needed to mirror this data instead!

The more successful Phorm gets the more bandwidth the ISP has to provide to service it?

The only winners being Phorm & the advertisers.