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jfman 13-04-2019 11:10
Re: Brexit
 
The European elections could focus the mind of the Conservative party to deliver Brexit under May’s deal.

I think we all agree politicians are generally self-serving, and she’s probably closer to getting it through than the arithmetic suggests.

1andrew1 13-04-2019 11:14
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35991118)
Interesting to see which party will be the most unhappy come polling night.
The one that wins and has to deal with the mess? ;)

Sephiroth 13-04-2019 12:04
Re: Brexit
 
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35991120)
The European elections could focus the mind of the Conservative party to deliver Brexit under May’s deal.

I think we all agree politicians are generally self-serving, and she’s probably closer to getting it through than the arithmetic suggests.
That is a sound assessment - up to a point. That point is the Backstop which could keep her deal tantalisingly lost.

Hugh 13-04-2019 12:05
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35991120)
The European elections could focus the mind of the Conservative party to deliver Brexit under May’s deal.

I think we all agree politicians are generally self-serving, and she’s probably closer to getting it through than the arithmetic suggests.
I don't - I think a (reasonably sized) minority may be, but that the majority of politicians get into politics because they want improve things for people and the country, but we sometimes differ (due to our outlook) because their thoughts on what would improve things may not be the same as ours.

I've known quite a few MPs, and most of them worked long hours (through the week and weekends), and often didn't see much of their families.

jfman 13-04-2019 12:13
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35991126)
I don't - I think a (reasonably sized) minority may be, but that the majority of politicians get into politics because they want improve things for people and the country, but we sometimes differ (due to our outlook) because their thoughts on what would improve things may not be the same as ours.

I've known quite a few MPs, and most of them worked long hours (through the week and weekends), and often didn't see much of their families.
Okay I shouldn't have made such a sweeping generalisation. I think enough are that at risk Tories from a Brexit party and at risk Labour MPs in majority leave voting constituencies.

I don't think that the Rees-Moggs, Redwoods, Johnsons, Goves, Raabs of this world are in politics to make the world a better place. All of them are independently wealthy and on the payroll of think-tanks, newspapers, etc. Johnson himself described the £100 000 financial interest in a flat he has as "chicken feed" - one can only assume he thinks the same of his backbench MP salary?

Sephiroth 13-04-2019 12:46
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35991128)
Okay I shouldn't have made such a sweeping generalisation. I think enough are that at risk Tories from a Brexit party and at risk Labour MPs in majority leave voting constituencies.

I don't think that the Rees-Moggs, Redwoods, Johnsons, Goves, Raabs of this world are in politics to make the world a better place. All of them are independently wealthy and on the payroll of think-tanks, newspapers, etc. Johnson himself described the £100 000 financial interest in a flat he has as "chicken feed" - one can only assume he thinks the same of his backbench MP salary?
I retract my ‘sound assessment’ accolade. You’ve named names and you have to be sure of the accusation you are making.

In the case of John Redwood, being independently wealthy does not make him a poor representative MP. I’ve known him for 32 years and he is as dedicated to his constituents as he is to Brexit (albeit Wokingham voted Remain).

Most if not all MPs want their slice of power. It’s a pity that power doesn’t reside in more competent people.

The people of this country might be fickle and stupid enough to give Corbyn the largest number of seats in an election. Tragedy is lurking and it’s not to be laid at the door of the people you;be named.

jfman 13-04-2019 13:10
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35991129)
I retract my ‘sound assessment’ accolade. You’ve named names and you have to be sure of the accusation you are making.

In the case of John Redwood, being independently wealthy does not make him a poor representative MP. I’ve known him for 32 years and he is as dedicated to his constituents as he is to Brexit (albeit Wokingham voted Remain).

Most if not all MPs want their slice of power. It’s a pity that power doesn’t reside in more competent people.

The people of this country might be fickle and stupid enough to give Corbyn the largest number of seats in an election. Tragedy is lurking and it’s not to be laid at the door of the people you;be named.
The register of members interests will show that, all of those I've named, make far more from outside activity than they do from being an MP. I don't think that's an astonishing accusation in any way. It's a matter of public record.

Being a rational capitalist that I am if I had two jobs and one paid me four times the other, regardless of time commitment required, I know which I'd have more 'focus' on when it came to legislating on economic matters.

pip08456 13-04-2019 13:40
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35991128)
Okay I shouldn't have made such a sweeping generalisation. I think enough are that at risk Tories from a Brexit party and at risk Labour MPs in majority leave voting constituencies.

I don't think that the Rees-Moggs, Redwoods, Johnsons, Goves, Raabs of this world are in politics to make the world a better place. All of them are independently wealthy and on the payroll of think-tanks, newspapers, etc. Johnson himself described the £100 000 financial interest in a flat he has as "chicken feed" - one can only assume he thinks the same of his backbench MP salary?
Bet you can't find that quote.

denphone 13-04-2019 13:56
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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35991134)
Bet you can't find that quote.
Near the bottom of the article is the quote he made pip.;)

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...m-mansion.html

jfman 13-04-2019 14:03
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35991135)
Near the bottom of the article is the quote he made pip.;)

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...m-mansion.html
I do stand corrected, it's not the £100 000 interest in a flat that is chicken feed but a £250 000 a year salary!

1andrew1 13-04-2019 14:08
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35991129)
I retract my ‘sound assessment’ accolade. You’ve named names and you have to be sure of the accusation you are making.

In the case of John Redwood, being independently wealthy does not make him a poor representative MP. I’ve known him for 32 years and he is as dedicated to his constituents as he is to Brexit (albeit Wokingham voted Remain).

Most if not all MPs want their slice of power. It’s a pity that power doesn’t reside in more competent people.

The people of this country might be fickle and stupid enough to give Corbyn the largest number of seats in an election. Tragedy is lurking and it’s not to be laid at the door of the people you;be named.
I guess John Redwood's seat may be at risk in the case of a general election then due to his pro-Brexit stance being at odds with those of his constituents'.

Damien 13-04-2019 14:41
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35991129)
The people of this country might be fickle and stupid enough to give Corbyn the largest number of seats in an election. Tragedy is lurking and it’s not to be laid at the door of the people you;be named.
Corbyn could be elected for the same reasons Brexit won. A group of people feel the problems they have are being ignored and will vote for someone that they feel is speaking to them.

The Tories inability to do anything about homes for example is going to really hurt them in the end. They keep avoiding any real change because they don't want to upset their voter base by doing anything that might stop the inflation in house prices but their voter base is getting older and older.

jfman 13-04-2019 14:50
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35991141)
Corbyn could be elected for the same reasons Brexit won. A group of people feel the problems they have are being ignored and will vote for someone that they feel is speaking to them.

The Tories inability to do anything about homes for example is going to really hurt them in the end. They keep avoiding any real change because they don't want to upset their voter base by doing anything that might stop the inflation in house prices but their voter base is getting older and older.
Housing costs underpins everything for the poor in society, both in work and out of work. If they could resolve this it'd significantly reduce benefit expenditure.

ianch99 13-04-2019 17:09
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35991086)
Garner = to acquire.
Garnish = salad.
What's with the word police? We all knew what the post meant. Maybe he should have used an obscure french word instead :)

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35991129)

In the case of John Redwood, being independently wealthy does not make him a poor representative MP. I’ve known him for 32 years and he is as dedicated to his constituents as he is to Brexit (albeit Wokingham voted Remain).
A contradiction surely.

He 1) doesn't support his constituents (against Remain), 2) he doesn't support his country (for Hard Brexit) and 3) he does not support his party (voted against Mrs May)

Apart from this, he is a great MP ...

007stuart 13-04-2019 17:11
Re: Brexit
 
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Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth (Post 35991100)
Agreed - didn't Adolph want a European super stake (of sorts)? Don't feel you can say that about about Nige ;)
Chris after your kind words on my post can you help GrimUpNorth with his sentence?


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