Cable Forum - General ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news

We, what about the subscriptions football fans are currently paying to Sky Sports and BT Sports?? That was one of your easier questions to answer!

Consider that circle squared!

So easy on paper, for your fictional, hypothetical deep pocket streamer.

However in the real world they’d need 5 million subscribers to switch on day one. Is the EPL that popular on it’s own? Probably not. Not 12 months of the year anyway.

Suddenly they are either putting their hands back in their pockets for more rights or having to recover the costs over 10 months. Six million subscribers at a higher price point than Sky Sports.

As the forum resident economist I have to say I side with all the bean counters at actual streamers and decide that’s not the best use of funds.

Every day losing money from Day 1 is a day less than 3 years to recover within the rights window.

I’ve said before if the EPL are genuine about trying to drum up interest a five or ten year rights window gives a new entrant more time to build their business model. If it were truly that easy to move Sky’s customer base someone would have done it. Years ago.

ScottishSteve

20-05-2021 00:34

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The channel upgrade app is now allowing upgrades to Premier Sports, LaLiga TV & Box Nation for £12.99 a month

Box Nation was previously standalone on Virgin

1andrew1

20-05-2021 01:14

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Originally Posted by ScottishSteve (Post 36080166)

The channel upgrade app is now allowing upgrades to Premier Sports, LaLiga TV & Box Nation for £12.99 a month

Box Nation was previously standalone on Virgin

Makes sense.

BoxNation is now just a brand used by Premier Sports. The previous company running the channel, Boxing Channel Media Ltd, established by Frank Warren, was placed into liquidation in December 2019.

OLD BOY

20-05-2021 07:59

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36080163)

Are you seriously trying to tell us that those who subscribe to Sky Sports for the football won’t change their subscription on day one if the EPL was pulled from Sky to be shown on the streamers?

You underestimate the enthusiasm of football fans.

jfman

20-05-2021 08:21

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36080178)

Some will. However what isn’t clear is how many and their willingness to pay given Sky is sold as a bundle.

You’re making the false assumption everyone has unlimited disposable income.

As I’ve said before if it was that easy why hasn’t it happened before? ITV Digital, Setanta, ESPN UK (the first time) are all in the graveyard of potential Sky competitors. None lacked access to investment. What makes streamers exempt from the economics that failed these business models?

If it was that easy why would there not be a queue of streamers auction after auction causing the value of the rights to spiral out of control? At some point one of them has to fail because their predecessor had the perfect business model to bid the most yet still extract value for their shareholders. What makes you think that company isn’t Sky? After all - they are a streamer via Now TV. So there’s no new market to target.

ScottishSteve

20-05-2021 08:55

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36080172)

Absolutely, until now it has been a part of the Premier bundle on other platforms finally it is the same on Virgin

OLD BOY

20-05-2021 14:04

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36080181)

Don’t be daft, jfman - pretty well all football fans will transfer. Football is what excites them and they go where the football is.

You keep saying if it was that easy, why have they not done it before, but as I said above, that is a ridiculous statement to make, which assumes that nothing changes. Streamed football is not without its problems, including latency, broadband rollout and broadband connectivity and speed, and this would explain why the streamers have not gone in big time yet.

However, as Disney looks to the sports offering that will appeal to UK viewers for its sports stream, as Discovery+ looks for something to attract more subscribers with an interest in sport to bolster Eurosport and as Amazon pore over the results of its experiment with the EPL, there is a significant shift in circumstances that might yet lead to a bid by one of the streamers.

You seem to think that Sky has some magical quality that enables the company to make a profit when others cannot. You have not explained why you think that, and it doesn’t make sense. Citing a few failures by other companies doesn’t cut it. There is a profit to be made here, and the big hitting global streamers ain’t done yet. Watch this space.

Of course Sky can make a bid and screen the football on its streamer (although Now is not the most sophisticated of streamers around). But it will face competition from the other streamers, and if it bids too low because it has concluded the same as you, it might have a shock coming.

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Originally Posted by ScottishSteve (Post 36080186)

Absolutely, until now it has been a part of the Premier bundle on other platforms finally it is the same on Virgin

If your bundle has Sky Sports in it, you are having to pay a shedload more every month than if you were not bothered about sport.

1andrew1

20-05-2021 15:01

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Another telecoms company retrenches from broadcasting to focus on its core business.

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Ireland’s telecom operator Eir has confirmed its premium sports channel will close later this year.

The decision to close Eir Sport follows an in-depth review and mirrors a discussion currently taking place at the UK’s BT over the future of its own sports operations.

“The challenges of the last year have fundamentally changed the commercial model for sports broadcasters, with more sporting events moving to free-to-air and premium broadcasting rights becoming increasingly expensive,” Eir said in a statement.

https://www.broadbandtvnews.com/2021...ark-this-year/

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36080181)

I buy into the argument about sport being more valuable to Sky than as a stand-alone product from another company as it generates a range of other services - broadband, entertainment package, mobile and possibly movies too. However, companies like ESPN and Setanta were previously just selling sports packages and Sky had a monopoly on a lot of film and entertainment content, even if it allowed VM to wholesale it.

However, two things are changing in the landscape.

1. Sport now has the option of being sold as an add-on to Disney +. In the future, the same may be the case for HBO+ and Eurosport. So an investment in Premier League rights flows through to more than just a tenner a month for a stand-alone sports channel, it flows through to an investment in a whole package.

2. There hasn't been a content provider that you can substitute for Sky. If you're serious about TV as VM is, you need to have Sky's channels. However, this is being chipped away with Disney taking back its content and Warner Discovery likely to follow suit. This therefore erodes Sky's unique position and Disney+ or HBO+ with a Premier League sports offering such a breadth and depth of content be a viable substitute for Sky.

jfman

20-05-2021 15:03

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36080202)

Don’t be daft, jfman - pretty well all football fans will transfer. Football is what excites them and they go where the football is.

A projection not grounded in any economic theory whatsoever.

If football fans will migrate to any package, at any price, surely Sky would just continue to price gouge them?

There comes a breaking point due to the basic principles of supply and demand.

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You keep saying if it was that easy, why have they not done it before, but as I said above, that is a ridiculous statement to make, which assumes that nothing changes. Streamed football is not without its problems, including latency, broadband rollout and broadband connectivity and speed, and this would explain why the streamers have not gone in big time yet.

Aha! Once again you see streaming as a distinct market from television as a whole. The same basic principles you discussed above - fans follow the football wherever it will go - would apply to a standalone football channel on satellite, cable, digital terrestrial and dare I say it even streaming.

The cost of operating a channel on this basis is truly buttons compared to the £5bn cost of the rights.

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However, as Disney looks to the sports offering that will appeal to UK viewers for its sports stream, as Discovery+ looks for something to attract more subscribers with an interest in sport to bolster Eurosport and as Amazon pore over the results of its experiment with the EPL, there is a significant shift in circumstances that might yet lead to a bid by one of the streamers.

This time next year we will be millionaires, Rodney

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You seem to think that Sky has some magical quality that enables the company to make a profit when others cannot. You have not explained why you think that, and it doesn’t make sense. Citing a few failures by other companies doesn’t cut it. There is a profit to be made here, and the big hitting global streamers ain’t done yet. Watch this space.

If by "a few failures" you mean literally everyone else to have entered the market to date.

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Of course Sky can make a bid and screen the football on its streamer (although Now is not the most sophisticated of streamers around). But it will face competition from the other streamers, and if it bids too low because it has concluded the same as you, it might have a shock coming.

I'd contest that it is you that seems to think that streamers have some magical quality whereby the basics of economics do not apply to them.

Sky judged the market perfectly in 2019, and the EPL are running scared they would do the same in 2022.

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If your bundle has Sky Sports in it, you are having to pay a shedload more every month than if you were not bothered about sport.

Why would a rational customer in the marketplace subscribe to a bundle with Sky Sports if they don't want Sky Sports?

If someone doesn't want all the other tosh, but it wants Sky Sports they can buy Now TV. A streaming product from Sky.

OLD BOY

20-05-2021 17:14

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36080207)

I didn’t say ‘at any price’. I’m not sure where your figures are coming from - they are highly suspect IMHO.

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36080207)

Yes, we are talking about the likelihood or otherwise of streamers entering the market for EPL. Of course the audience will follow the footie no matter how it is delivered. I never said otherwise.

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36080207)

This time next year we will be millionaires, Rodney

Typical of you to scoff instead of actually addressing the point. A similar point to the one made by Andrew, incidentally.

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36080207)

If by "a few failures" you mean literally everyone else to have entered the market to date.

Yes. But the fact that they failed doesn’t mean that any operator would fail.

Sky can make it work, proving that it is possible if you know what you’re doing.

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36080207)

No, I don’t. What, you’re a mind reader as well as an alleged economist now, are you?

Despite your repeated claim that the delayed auction was nothing to do with the uncertainties arising from COVID, that is precisely the reason given in the application to the government, which was accepted. You may think you know better, but you really don’t.

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36080207)

That’s not an argument I made.

jfman

20-05-2021 17:26

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36080215)

I didn’t say ‘at any price’. I’m not sure where your figures are coming from - they are highly suspect IMHO.

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Yes, we are talking about the likelihood or otherwise of streamers entering the market for EPL. Of course the audience will follow the footie no matter how it is delivered. I never said otherwise.

However not at any cost.

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Typical of you to scoff instead of actually addressing the point. A similar point to the one made by Andrew, incidentally.

Yes. But the fact that they failed doesn’t mean that any operator would fail.

Sky can make it work, proving that it is possible if you know what you’re doing.

Yet nobody else bids, despite sitting on piles and piles of cash. Proving they dont think it's a valuable use of £5bn.

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No, I don’t. What, you’re a mind reader as well as an alleged economist now, are you?

Well yes, you do. It's the common thread around almost every single post you make.

Economics 101 tells you everyone is out there to make a profit. And at some point the market reaches an equilibrium. People are no longer willing to pay any more.

Either after 19 years Sky haven't found the equilibrium or streamers can package their services to additional customers that Sky cannot - which is impossible as anyone outside the Sky footprint - DTH, cable or via Now TV would be unable to access a rival streaming service

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Despite your repeated claim that the delayed auction was nothing to do with the uncertainties arising from COVID, that is precisely the reason given in the application to the government, which was accepted. You may think you know better, but you really don’t.

Uncertainties over the value of the rights, Old Boy. Try to read it with an open mind. I've already posted the hundreds of billions that streamers and social media companies are sitting on. Yet something puts them (and the accountants at the EPL) off and it's not access to capital.

Itshim

20-05-2021 17:35

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I guess I am not the only one that avoids any package that offers 1. Sport 2. Movies . Have premier for one reason only pro 14/16 rugby. When that goes so do I :D

muppetman11

20-05-2021 18:18

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36080205)

Another telecoms company retrenches from broadcasting to focus on its core business.

https://www.broadbandtvnews.com/2021...ark-this-year/

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I buy into the argument about sport being more valuable to Sky than as a stand-alone product from another company as it generates a range of other services - broadband, entertainment package, mobile and possibly movies too. However, companies like ESPN and Setanta were previously just selling sports packages and Sky had a monopoly on a lot of film and entertainment content, even if it allowed VM to wholesale it.

However, two things are changing in the landscape.

1. Sport now has the option of being sold as an add-on to Disney +. In the future, the same may be the case for HBO+ and Eurosport. So an investment in Premier League rights flows through to more than just a tenner a month for a stand-alone sports channel, it flows through to an investment in a whole package.

2. There hasn't been a content provider that you can substitute for Sky. If you're serious about TV as VM is, you need to have Sky's channels. However, this is being chipped away with Disney taking back its content and Warner Discovery likely to follow suit. This therefore erodes Sky's unique position and Disney+ or HBO+ with a Premier League sports offering such a breadth and depth of content be a viable substitute for Sky.

What's to stop the Premier League going alone globally longer term ?

jfman

20-05-2021 18:55

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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 36080236)

What's to stop the Premier League going alone globally longer term ?

If it’s as easy as OB makes out, nothing. Money for old rope. Why involve a middle man?

Could even be technology agnostic and broadcast in Ultra HD to Sky/Virgin customers until broadband networks are up to scratch.

OLD BOY

20-05-2021 19:44

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36080224)

Go on then have a stab at dividing £5 billion quid by any monthly fee and any set number of subscribers. I'll even forget VAT for now.

Both I, and seemingly whoever handles the calculators at every streaming service going, think it doesn't work.

However not at any cost.

Yet nobody else bids, despite sitting on piles and piles of cash. Proving they dont think it's a valuable use of £5bn.

Well yes, you do. It's the common thread around almost every single post you make.

Economics 101 tells you everyone is out there to make a profit. And at some point the market reaches an equilibrium. People are no longer willing to pay any more.

Either after 19 years Sky haven't found the equilibrium or streamers can package their services to additional customers that Sky cannot - which is impossible as anyone outside the Sky footprint - DTH, cable or via Now TV would be unable to access a rival streaming service

Uncertainties over the value of the rights, Old Boy. Try to read it with an open mind. I've already posted the hundreds of billions that streamers and social media companies are sitting on. Yet something puts them (and the accountants at the EPL) off and it's not access to capital.

By your reckoning, Sky couldn’t be making a profit, which is demonstrably untrue. The delay in the streamers jumping on board has nothing to do with the money, anyway.

Even when presented with the facts that render your arguments incorrect (ie what the Premier League actually stated) you still carry on. You are cynical about absolutely everything and this leads to you coming to preposterous conclusions.

I’ll leave you to it.

1andrew1

20-05-2021 20:06

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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 36080236)

What's to stop the Premier League going alone globally longer term ?

Same for pretty much every sport. They get more money by selling their rights than setting up their own dedicated channels or streaming services.

jfman

20-05-2021 20:44

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36080253)

By your reckoning, Sky couldn’t be making a profit, which is demonstrably untrue. The delay in the streamers jumping on board has nothing to do with the money, anyway.

I'm unsure how you reach that conclusion.

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Even when presented with the facts that render your arguments incorrect (ie what the Premier League actually stated) you still carry on. You are cynical about absolutely everything and this leads to you coming to preposterous conclusions.

I’ll leave you to it.

I once again ask you to read the letter - the league are uncertain as to the value of the rights. The only reason - by virtue of straightforward supply and demand - that they could fall is because there is less interest.

Covid is the excuse to get around the law. The motivation for wanting to avoid an auction is very clear.

There's no reason an Amazon, Apple, Facebook or Google would have difficulty sourcing and underwriting payments for the duration of a three year contract.

muppetman11

20-05-2021 21:10

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36080259)

Same for pretty much every sport. They get more money by selling their rights than setting up their own dedicated channels or streaming services.

They do now will they in the future ?

1andrew1

20-05-2021 21:33

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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 36080266)

They do now will they in the future ?

I'm not sure of anything on the horizon (:D) that might alter such decisions.

I think sports bodies have invested in content-rich websites and apps but they exist to complement licensed TV rights, not to replace them.

jfman

20-05-2021 22:18

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The real question, at a worldwide level, is how popular the product is. While we are all on the Sky hype train are there really millions out there ready to buy an add on for a single league in one foreign country?

Or would viewers seamlessly move from one league interchangeable with another from the incumbent pay-tv supplier. The league probably don’t want to take that level of risk. Also it’d put them in a position selling their product at multiple price points - meaning they’d need to circumvent people using VPNs etc to pay a lower rate. Broadcast by satellite leaks but generally it’s cost prohibitive for a consumer to take out the service.

Raider999

20-05-2021 22:31

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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 36080236)

What's to stop the Premier League going alone globally longer term ?

Nothing really apart from

1) the £5 billion drop in revenue over the next 3 years

2) the cost of collecting subscriptions

3) cost of advertising to attract customers & let them know how to subscribe

4) cost of filming the matches

muppetman11

21-05-2021 07:09

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36080270)

I'm not saying it's going to happen overnight but never say never.

https://talksport.com/football/66710...lans-premflix/

jfman

21-05-2021 07:59

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I suspect it’s the new “we could set up our own channel” stalking horse to keep broadcasters honest in the worldwide rights auction.

That said a test market or two could get a sense for what appetite there is (if any to be fair) for people to buy an over the top service overseas.

ozsat

23-05-2021 15:39

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For Euro2020 - most BBC games will be UHD on iPlayer.

jfman

23-05-2021 16:18

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Need to hope the local riff raff keep the noise down when Scotland score.

1andrew1

23-05-2021 17:54

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36080503)

Need to hope the local riff raff keep the noise down when Scotland score.

I wouldn't worry too much about that. :D

johnasimmons

25-05-2021 10:48

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Another UK streaming boxing channel started last Friday (21 May); Fightzone - its £4.99 a month and British based

jfman

25-05-2021 12:49

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Originally Posted by johnasimmons (Post 36080684)

Another UK streaming boxing channel started last Friday (21 May); Fightzone - its £4.99 a month and British based

Just what every boxing fan has been crying out for... Another service to subscribe to

denphone

25-05-2021 13:22

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36080700)

Just what every boxing fan has been crying out for... Another service to subscribe to

Give most of the big fights are on PPV box office l doubt there will be a rush for it.

Media Boy UK

11-06-2021 19:07

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Sky Sports announces new partnerships with Top Rank and BOXXER until 2025

https://www.skysports.com/boxing/new...xer-until-2025

Is Sky set to launch an Sky Sports Boxing HD Channel in August???

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Originally Posted by Sky Sports (Post 36080706)

Customers can look forward to at least 18 international Fight Nights a year, approaching 100 hours of boxing on Sky Sports, as well as 50-plus years of archive content highlighting legends such as Ali, Foreman, Pacquiao, Roberto Duran, Sugar Ray Leonard, and Floyd Mayweather Jr. Full UK schedule and announcements will be made in August.

Raider999

13-06-2021 13:29

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Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 36082599)

Sky Sports announces new partnerships with Top Rank and BOXXER until 2025

https://www.skysports.com/boxing/new...xer-until-2025

Is Sky set to launch an Sky Sports Boxing HD Channel in August???

Doubt it, Sky have more than enough sports channels to show any boxing they might get - also Ppv for bigger fights.

More likely they will change the name of Action/Arena for the odd fight night (as they do for NFL etc)

Chad	13-06-2021 19:52

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The subscription price of DAZN Italy trebles in price following their acquisition of Seria A rights.

https://www.broadcastnow.co.uk/broad...160327.article

telegramsam

13-06-2021 20:09

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Watching Holland v Ukraine I see ITV are at it again,going to an unscheduled add break in the middle of National Anthem !

jfman

13-06-2021 20:31

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Originally Posted by Chad (Post 36082836)

The subscription price of DAZN Italy trebles in price following their acquisition of Seria A rights.

https://www.broadcastnow.co.uk/broad...160327.article

€30 a month certainly puts paid to the claims we will have a low cost streaming future.

1andrew1

13-06-2021 21:07

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36082843)

€30 a month certainly puts paid to the claims we will have a low cost streaming future.

There are genuine savings from running a streaming service in terms of no box installation costs, no high street stores, simple billing etc.

But they are outweighed by consumers dealing direct with the streamers as oppose to having Virgin or Sky bulk-buying on our behalf.

1andrew1

14-06-2021 16:20

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Amazon awarded bulk of Ligue 1 rights in France. Big rights but not big bucks. I can't imagine the clubs are impressed.

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The Financial Times reported Amazon had agreed to pay around €275 million each year for eight matches per week – that’s less than Canal had earlier agreed to pay for its three weekly matches.

“After the failure of the choice of Mediapro in 2018, Canal+ regrets the decision of the LFP to retain the Amazon proposal to the detriment of that of its historic partners Canal + and Bein Sports,” the Vivendi-owned broadcaster said in a statement released to Broadband TV News.

“Canal + will not broadcast Ligue 1”.

https://www.broadbandtvnews.com/2021...igue-1-rights/

Media Boy UK

16-06-2021 12:38

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Originally Posted by telegramsam (Post 36082838)

Watching Holland v Ukraine I see ITV are at it again,going to an unscheduled add break in the middle of National Anthem !

STV did an unscheduled add break in the 85min of the France VS Germany game last night.

telegramsam

16-06-2021 15:42

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Don't know about others but watching the Finland v Russia match on BBC and had to switch to Radio 5 commentary because couldn't bare the female commentators screeching voice! It's like listening to a pre pubescent child!

OLD BOY

16-06-2021 16:42

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Originally Posted by telegramsam (Post 36083472)

She was quite excited, then. Or was she hysterical? :D

telegramsam

16-06-2021 16:57

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36083481)

She was quite excited, then. Or was she hysterical? :D

Only put up with first 5 minutes!

alwaysabear

16-06-2021 17:10

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Originally Posted by telegramsam (Post 36083472)

Its a shame, but I had to do the same.

figgyburn

16-06-2021 19:10

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Glad it's not just me then!.

telegramsam

16-06-2021 19:22

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Someone should tell the BBC and any other channel that some things just don't work!

ozsat

17-06-2021 05:13

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I don't have anything against female commentators but you shouldn't just employ a female commentary to fill some quota.

I personally find I have to turn off any commentary with Martin Tyler or Glenn Hoddle involved.

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Itshim

17-06-2021 11:50

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Bbc wales had at one time of rugby no commenty until play reached the 5 metre line just chat . Which meant you can really just enjoy the game

telegramsam

17-06-2021 14:05

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With technology as it is now broadcasters should offer the option of no commentary just crowd noise

Raider999

17-06-2021 18:37

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Originally Posted by Itshim (Post 36083572)

Bbc wales had at one time of rugby no commenty until play reached the 5 metre line just chat . Which meant you can really just enjoy the game

Two thoughts - firstly you say 'had at one time' - inferring it no longer exists, presumably because of complaints?

Secondly, would have been better if silence rather than chat??

I'm glad I'm not the only one who finds a shrieky voice grating - one in particular from the Southern Hemisphere comes to mind.

Some things just aren't good.

Itshim

17-06-2021 21:20

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Originally Posted by Raider999 (Post 36083625)

Bbc have lost the then called pro 14 games . The choice was on the red button basically it was chit chat about rugby .not a radio throwback which to my mind most commenty on tv is:D

jfman

18-06-2021 10:49

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Originally Posted by telegramsam (Post 36083595)

With technology as it is now broadcasters should offer the option of no commentary just crowd noise

Interestingly some European satellite channels offered this. Others the alternate soundtrack would be another language (e.g. English for a Premier League game before the league complained about it).

telegramsam

18-06-2021 12:25

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36083754)

Interestingly some European satellite channels offered this. Others the alternate soundtrack would be another language (e.g. English for a Premier League game before the league complained about it).

It would be interesting to see just how many viewers would opt to view without commentary. It would also let TV channels know how popular a commentator is,or not perhaps?

cheekyangus

18-06-2021 13:24

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Originally Posted by telegramsam (Post 36083762)

It would be interesting to see just how many viewers would opt to view without commentary. It would also let TV channels know how popular a commentator is,or not perhaps?

It would only tell the TV companies on streaming as that's a two-way technology, alternative audio delivered via broadcast methods only have the TV ratings system to extrapolate the audience. With the advent of Connected Red Button (as opposed to the one that's a broadcast channel) and Smart Televisions this should be increasing easy to measure though.

jfman

18-06-2021 14:57

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Yes at the time I used it I had a motorised sat setup. Maybe 2005 to 2010ish so the STBs were “dumb”.

That said on modern connected hardware it’d potentially be possible to track use of something like this. And of course streaming as it’d have to be “requested”.

telegramsam

18-06-2021 15:27

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Sorry guys you've all lost me now but will take your word for it!

Paul	18-06-2021 15:30

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The current pair of clowns (Sweden match, BBC) are a waste of time, mostly just chatting instead of actually commentating. :td:

telegramsam

18-06-2021 15:46

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36083805)

The current pair of clowns (Sweden match, BBC) are a waste of time, mostly just chatting instead of actually commentating. :td:

Agree although to be fair games been terrible!

alwaysabear

18-06-2021 17:56

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Originally Posted by telegramsam (Post 36083807)

Agree although to be fair games been terrible!

Awful commentary and game! Gave up at half time and sorted my tool box out.:D

telegramsam

18-06-2021 19:14

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Originally Posted by alwaysabear (Post 36083816)

Awful commentary and game! Gave up at half time and sorted my tool box out.:D

Yeah I had some paint to watch dry!

1701-e

18-06-2021 20:07

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Could do with effects only on ITV at the moment such is the drivel being spoken by matterface

jfman

18-06-2021 20:16

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If it's any consolation the STV picture has cut out twice and our commentators are tools too.

1701-e

18-06-2021 20:23

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Picture cut out here so it may have been at source. Southern lot can't cope with a bit of rainfall...

cheekyangus

18-06-2021 20:56

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36083838)

If it's any consolation the STV picture has cut out twice and our commentators are tools too.

Yeah, not a scooby who they are but complete tosh.

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1701-e (Post 36083839)

Picture cut out here so it may have been at source. Southern lot can't cope with a bit of rainfall...

I thought that since the score graphics remained on screen.

jfman

18-06-2021 22:41

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36083805)

The current pair of clowns (Sweden match, BBC) are a waste of time, mostly just chatting instead of actually commentating. :td:

It was dire.

denphone

19-06-2021 05:03

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36083805)

The current pair of clowns (Sweden match, BBC) are a waste of time, mostly just chatting instead of actually commentating. :td:

The mute button comes in useful.

1andrew1

22-06-2021 00:31

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I can't acess the article, but The Telegraph is mentioning News Corp (The Sun, the Times, Fox News) as being interested in a tie up with BT Sport.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business...t-partnership/

Media Boy UK

22-06-2021 12:17

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36084014)

You can view this article: https://news.sky.com/story/news-uk-s...rsued-12338914

denphone

09-07-2021 12:52

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BBC extends broadcast contract with All England Club.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/57779791

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The BBC has extended its contract to broadcast Wimbledon for an additional three years, taking its partnership with the All England Club through to 2027.

The agreement means the Grand Slam remains free to air across BBC television, online and radio.

Media Boy UK

09-07-2021 17:19

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36085747)

BBC extends broadcast contract with All England Club.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/57779791

WHY OH WHY.

I do not care about Wimbledon keep it on BBC Two after 6pm.

OLD BOY

09-07-2021 18:03

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Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 36085757)

WHY OH WHY.

I do not care about Wimbledon keep it on BBC Two after 6pm.

Quite simple. It brings in the audience. That's what it's all about.

I don't watch it myself, by the way!

ozsat

09-07-2021 18:06

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Put it all on iPlayer :)

Work out how many hours of Wimbledon there has been in the past two weeks.

18 courts x 6-8 hours a day each x for 10+ days

Two football matches a week and they say it's too much

Quote:

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36085766)

Quite simple. It brings in the audience. That's what it's all about.

I don't watch it myself, by the way!

Media Boy UK

09-07-2021 18:25

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ozsat (Post 36085768)

Put it all on iPlayer :)

Work out how many hours of Winbledon there has been in the past two weeks.

18 courts x 6-8 hours a day each x for 10+ days

Two football matches a week and they say it's too much

I say sell the rights to Sky Sports.

cheekyangus

09-07-2021 18:54

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Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 36085770)

I say sell the rights to Sky Sports.

:(

That's what's wrong with sports governing bodies, they go after the money.

For many sports they jeopardise the future of their sports by going after the money. Putting coverage behind a paywall lowers participation as less people see it and are inspired to take that sport up.

Itshim

09-07-2021 19:39

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Personally l wish the football was only on Russia today!!!!!!!!

Raider999

09-07-2021 20:03

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Itshim (Post 36085784)

Personally l wish the football was only on Russia today!!!!!!!!

A lot would agree with you, however on Sunday approx 30m people will be watching.

ozsat

10-07-2021 09:48

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I wonder if they will opt-out of the live coverage for some ad breaks - done it before.

ITV live coverage of FA Cup Everton v Liverpool

ITVHD coverage of World Cup 2010 - England v USA

They went to an ad-break during live boxing too and missed the end of the fight - and cut to ITN News studio preparing for a later programme in a Champions League semi-final.

And still haven't discovered that UHD and 5.1 audio is now common place.

I had US tv coverage of the England v Denmark game on a second screen here - less ad breaks and shorter than ITV's coverage.

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1701-e (Post 36083837)

Could do with effects only on ITV at the moment such is the drivel being spoken by matterface

Itshim

10-07-2021 14:21

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Raider999 (Post 36085789)

A lot would agree with you, however on Sunday approx 30m people will be watching.

I won't be one of them if only fed up with it on the news for days on end . meerkat predicting the winner . to me it was the English flag fell down ,so they lose not picked as a win . :erm:

denphone

23-07-2021 13:09

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Sky Q to get HDR.

https://www.pocket-lint.com/tv/news/...ue-from-august

Sky Q owners can now watch live sporting events in 4K HDR at last.

Quote:

Starting today, Friday 23 July, coverage of the Tokyo 2020 Olympic Games will be presented in Ultra HD and HDR for compatible Sky Q box owners.

Quote:

From the upcoming season, its live coverage of Premier League matches will be available in 4K HDR. That incluces the first match of the new season, Brentford vs Arsenal on Friday 13 August.

ScottishSteve

23-07-2021 13:11

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I notice the Eurosport 4K service in all its HDR glory is only 2.0 stereo
Meanwhile the HD service is in surround

One step forward and two steps back, bizarre.

Dave42

23-07-2021 13:23

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Quote:

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36087318)

Sky Q to get HDR.

https://www.pocket-lint.com/tv/news/...augus</b>t</b>

Sky Q owners can now watch live sporting events in 4K HDR at last.

and the wait still goes on and on and on for VM after they promised us it in 2020

cheekyangus

23-07-2021 18:52

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Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 36087322)

and the wait still goes on and on and on for VM after they promised us it in 2020

They were waiting for Sky to provide it.

Dave42

23-07-2021 19:02

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Quote:

Originally Posted by cheekyangus (Post 36087332)

They were waiting for Sky to provide it.

i know it just frustrating hopefully can get it before footy season starts

Raider999

23-07-2021 20:26

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 36087333)

i know it just frustrating hopefully can get it before footy season starts

Seem to recall these sentiments being expressed before the start of last season.

With only 3 weeks to the new season start, I wouldn't hold your breath

Dave42

23-07-2021 20:32

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 36087333)

i know it just frustrating hopefully can get it before footy season starts

no not holding breathe it a hope that is all not a expectation

denphone

05-08-2021 09:09

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Bundesliga switches to Sky Sports.

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Sky Sports has become the new home of the Bundesliga in the UK and Ireland after winning exclusive rights for the next four seasons.

https://www.skysports.com/football/n...t-four-seasons

Media Boy UK

05-08-2021 10:37

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And the WPL (Women Premier League.)

braysoj1

05-08-2021 11:42

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Is bt going to have. Anything left

Media Boy UK

05-08-2021 11:54

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Originally Posted by braysoj1 (Post 36088623)

Is bt going to have. Anything left

BT maybe looking to sell BT Sport to an other Sport broadcaster now it look like no one wants share in the business.

Premier Sports may takeover due to BT Sport having an working relationship with Premier Sports due to BT Sport workers being use for Premier Sports Cup and the Scottlsh Cup games and all shows are made by BT Sport.

But saying that Disney have an deal with BT Sport for them to use the ESPN brand on BT Sport ESPN.

So Premier Sports or ESPN may take over BT Sport.

After all BT Sport did buy all the rights from ESPN in 2013 when launching BT Sport.

OLD BOY

05-08-2021 19:22

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I would have thought it would have gone either to Disney or DAZN.

In the US, there are three strands attached to Disney+, one of which is sport. This would be a good means of Disney getting into the UK market with its sports strand, together with ESPN content.

If DAZN is intent on making an impression on the UK market in setting up a streaming service, it could do worse than diving into this opportunity.

I don’t think Premier Sport will go for this. Too risky, I suspect..

carravetta

05-08-2021 21:06

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I think Disney will go for BT Sport and have ESPN relaunched as linear channels and part of Disney+

ESPN 1
ESPN 2
ESPN America
Hopefully as an extra relaunch ESPN Classic

vincerooney

05-08-2021 22:33

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do we have a list of where leagues are currently? from what i can gather:

Sky sports- Premier League, Football League, Bundesliga
BT Sport- Premier league, Champions League, Europa League, Europa Conference, Ligue 1(?)
Premier Sport- Serie A and La Liga.

I'm not sure where the Portuguese, dutch or belgium or MLS are these days.
I know the russian league is on Bet365 haha

Chad	05-08-2021 23:21

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Quote:

Originally Posted by vincerooney (Post 36088756)

I think BT still has the rights to Ligue 1. Seria A is currently up for grabs. The deal with Premier Sports has expired.

Will be interesting to see where Seria A ends up. For me personally these European leagues are nothing but filler. Eleven Sports threw tons of cash at these leagues a few years ago only to learn Brits don't want to watch continental football via stream. Pretty much killed the companies UK ambitions stone dead within 6 months.

Can't see Sky or BT bidding. Premier Sports might try to renew on the cheap. Smells like something Amazon will pick up for little cost due to lack of interest from the conventional broadcasters. Gives them something to chirp about. Another "Victory" for the streamers.

vincerooney

06-08-2021 00:05

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chad (Post 36088763)

Interesting! i wonder who will get Serie A. I'd love it if Sky Sports got it. Premier Sports splashing out on Gary Lineker whilst losing half their main tv rights seems a bit....bonkers

denphone

06-08-2021 04:27

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Quote:

Originally Posted by vincerooney (Post 36088756)

You can see the Russian League live on YouTube Vince.:)

1andrew1

06-08-2021 07:05

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This is quite a good starting point before checking with the individual channels' websites. Would benefit from links to lengths of broadcasting contracts.
https://www.live-footballontv.com/fo...rights-uk.html

Richardr

06-08-2021 08:33

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Gary Lineker is doing Spanish football, and, although he will be seen on Premier's channels, that is because they take the League's feed that will include him.

He won't be seen on any other Premier coverage, and isn't working directly for them.

jfman

06-08-2021 09:15

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Quote:

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36088589)

Bundesliga switches to Sky Sports.

https://www.skysports.com/football/n...t-four-seasons

I’m quite excited by this although it has it’s issues with the main German kick off times clashing with the outdated protectionist measure of the 3pm blackout and Sky’s main slots for the EPL.

A real test as to whether La Liga was genuinely popular or could Sky replicate that success by using SSN as a 24/7 linear broadcast advert as they do for the rest of their sports output. I’ve suspected for some time they could very easily. The proof is in the pudding as they say.

Raider999

08-08-2021 14:31

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36088783)

Outdated 3pm blackout - how so?

If you want The country's football clubs to lose out on supporters who choose to sit at home and watch foreign football on a Saturday afternoon then that's likely to see a number of clubs go to the wall.

There again how many people actually watch foreign football outside of the odd big match (such as Barcelona v Real Madrid).

I watched a lot of Bundesliga football last year, due to a combination of being on Furlough and no Premier League/ Premiership Rugby being on.

Otherwise I wouldn't have bothered.

The way the rights move around suggest I'm not the only one.

telegramsam

08-08-2021 14:59

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Raider999 (Post 36088968)

I doubt very much genuine supporters will miss their clubs home game to watch a foreign football match. I think the only ones watching will be the likes of me who never attend a football match due to the cost of getting there and match day ticket.

Itshim

08-08-2021 18:51

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Quote:

Originally Posted by telegramsam (Post 36088973)

Agree same with rugby never stay home if Cardiff are playing home or away , to watch any other team. Always can record and avoid news if really want to see a game:D

jfman

08-08-2021 18:58

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Raider999 (Post 36088968)

Outdated 3pm blackout - how so?

It’s a protectionist racket for a cartel of football clubs.

Raider999

08-08-2021 22:32

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36089004)